Tulsi Becomes an Independent

[Chobham]

Gabbard should not be written off too soon. She is only 41 and given that the USA nationally, is substantially a gerontocracy on both sides of politics, there is plenty of time for her to re-emerge in some sort of role in either National or local politics. In any political system there is always a conservative wing sometimes 'establishment,' sometimes populist, occasionally democratic. There will be room for her, but maybe not for 10 to 15 years. Some of you guys need to take a longer view than just the middle of next week.

As me dear departed mother once said to me, "Timing is 90% of life." Gabbard came out on this ahead of the mid-terms and if the elections play out as expected she's going to be followed by more than a few others.

Gabbard is not a conservative, she's more in line with the classical liberal, which today is defined by the democrats in power as "radical."

Where her future lies is hard to tell. It always is when it comes to individuals, but I do suspect that her move is going to make a difference in the trajectory of the party she left.

 

[Ingenue844]

Gabbard is not a conservative, she's more in line with the classical liberal, which today is defined by the democrats in power as "radical."

Democrats in power are NOT liberal. They’re progressives who embrace government overreach to achieve their agenda.

A return to Classical Liberalism would be heavenly.

 

[Chobham]

Democrats in power are NOT liberal. They’re progressives who embrace government overreach to achieve their agenda.

A return to Classical Liberalism would be heavenly.

^^^^ See what I mean?

 

[KeithD]

I think Tulsi is just bizarre and all over the map in terms of political positions. I don't see where she's representative of Hawaii or anywhere else.

 

[KeithD]

Democrats in power are NOT liberal. They’re progressives who embrace government overreach to achieve their agenda.

A return to Classical Liberalism would be heavenly.

You can't get any more overreach in government than Donald Trump, honey. Who the hell do you think you're fooling?

 

[Ingenue844]

You can't get any more overreach in government than Donald Trump, honey. Who the hell do you think you're fooling?

wHaT aBoUt TrUmP?????
No actual denial that there is an issue with Progressives and overreach. No discussion on whether Classical Liberalism is the path we should be on. Nope, just, “Ttttttrrruuuuummmppppp!”

Tell me you have nothing to contribute without telling me you have nothing to contribute.

 

[JohnEBbad]

FDR would not recognize the party today. It is corrupted beyond belief and the Russian Communist party would blush at the dealings of Clinton, Obama, and Biden the ununifier. I have never seen a president as vile as that man and corrupt in his thinking. We ordinary people will pay the trillion dollar price for Bidens opening the border. The latinos will be a blight on this country for 100s of years.

I agree. I was raised by FDR Democrats, people who lived through the depression (raised on a generational family farm). They would run in horror away from what the Party has become. I know that at a certain point, it stopped reflecting my values and life experience. It just stopped being the party of the working class and became the nagging nanny of the working class seeking to change them and their values more along the lines of ivory-tower dreamers of The New Utopia. They sought, and still seek, to abrogate basic human nature.

 

[JohnEBbad]

Gabbard should not be written off too soon. She is only 41 and given that the USA nationally, is substantially a gerontocracy on both sides of politics, there is plenty of time for her to re-emerge in some sort of role in either National or local politics. In any political system there is always a conservative wing sometimes 'establishment,' sometimes populist, occasionally democratic. There will be room for her, but maybe not for 10 to 15 years. Some of you guys need to take a longer view than just the middle of next week.

She's already out stumping for at least one Republican candidate. He's former military too. I think that speaks to where her mindset is.

 

[JohnEBbad]

You can't get any more overreach in government than Donald Trump, honey. Who the hell do you think you're fooling?

Barack Obama who could not get his way famously proclaimed that he would rule by pen and phone. So screw your partisan propaganda. You're so shallow that you cannot speak for anything, but need some cartoonishly evil villain to be against. Please grow up and out of your Sesame Street phase.

 

[Ingenue844]

It just stopped being the party of the working class and became the nagging nanny of the working class seeking to change them and their values more along the lines of ivory-tower dreamers of The New Utopia.

I’m disappointed by how elitist the Democrats have become. They used to be the party I could count on to be compassionate towards all walks of life. Anymore, they seem to look down their nose at Blue Collar America and are willing to leave them and their needs behind.

 

[JohnEBbad]

Agree

Clinging to our guns and Bibles...

They have become the party of the academic elite - an extreme (double meaning) minority.

 

[icanhelp1]

wHaT aBoUt TrUmP?????
No actual denial that there is an issue with Progressives and overreach. No discussion on whether Classical Liberalism is the path we should be on. Nope, just, “Ttttttrrruuuuummmppppp!”

Tell me you have nothing to contribute without telling me you have nothing to contribute.

That’s the platform shallow progressive socialist like KeithD stand on *ORANGE MAN BAD* Classic liberalism is a rare anomaly in today’s political environment.

 

[JohnEBbad]

That’s the platform shallow progressive socialist like KeithD stand on *ORANGE MAN BAD* Classic liberalism is a rare anomaly in today’s political environment.

Extinct even...

 

[icanhelp1]

I’m disappointed by how elitist the Democrats have become. They used to be the party I could count on to be compassionate towards all walks of life. Anymore, they seem to look down their nose at Blue Collar America and are willing to leave them and their needs behind.

Today’s democrats are the woke crowd, they preach inclusivity unless you disagree with their pedigree then you’re exclude, possibly tarred and feathered then left for dead. The pendulum is slowly swinging back to rational thought.

 

[icanhelp1]

As me dear departed mother once said to me,

"Timing is 90% of life." Gabbard came out on this ahead of the mid-terms and if the elections play out as expected she's going to be followed by more than a few others.

Gabbard is not a conservative, she's more in line with the classical liberal, which today is defined by the democrats in power as "radical."

Where her future lies is hard to tell. It always is when it comes to individuals, but I do suspect that her move is going to make a difference in the trajectory of the party she left.

“I love it when a plan comes together” to quote the great Hannibal Smith from A Team lol!

 

[Ingenue844]

That’s the platform shallow progressive socialist like KeithD stand on *ORANGE MAN BAD*

During the time Trump was in office, I can understand criticizing him. We should always be out questioning elected leaders. But it’s 2022 and Biden is in office.

I scrolled back a short ways trying to figure out how Trump was even thrown into the mix. Realized there was no context and no contribution in his reply to me.

 

[JohnEBbad]

Keith claimed to be a spy-plane pilot under his previous alt. He's detached from reality, rationality and reason.

 

[JohnEBbad]

I’m disappointed by how elitist the Democrats have become. They used to be the party I could count on to be compassionate towards all walks of life. Anymore, they seem to look down their nose at Blue Collar America and are willing to leave them and their needs behind.

I just ran across something from Victor Davis Hanson:

"Democrats also increasingly rely on a series of ginned up Trump-MAGA psychodramas. That way they hope to make the midterms a referendum on a supposedly demonic Donald Trump—with help from the media, the January 6th House Committee hearings, the Mar-a-Lago raid, and now periodic Biden rants about "semi-fascist" Trump supporters."

This is Keith in a nutshell.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/bid...e-counterculture-revolution-from-angry-voters

 

[Ingenue844]

Today’s democrats are the woke crowd, they preach inclusivity unless you disagree with their pedigree then you’re exclude, possibly tarred and feathered then left for dead. The pendulum is slowly swinging back to rational thought.

The Intention behind wokeness is good. I don’t deny having biases, including racial ones. I personally would like to be better about viewing everyone as an individual…then harshly judging and dragging as I see fit

I see what you mean with the exclusion though.

 

[Ingenue844]

I just ran across something from Victor Davis Hanson:

"Democrats also increasingly rely on a series of ginned up Trump-MAGA psychodramas. That way they hope to make the midterms a referendum on a supposedly demonic Donald Trump—with help from the media, the January 6th House Committee hearings, the Mar-a-Lago raid, and now periodic Biden rants about "semi-fascist" Trump supporters."

This is Keith in a nutshell.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/bid...e-counterculture-revolution-from-angry-voters

Trump is out of office. Anyone still screeching about him should look into addiction services. The dopamine rush of daily two-minute hates may be fun, but it’s getting counterproductive.

 

[Ingenue844]

Sorry, tangent time:

Where I live, the US rep is a Democrat. I drive through Gary and see his signs EVERYWHERE. And think, “If this isn’t the exact reason to vote for the other guy, I don’t know what is!?”

Turns out, MrVan’s opponent is a Black, female Veteran. Her pacs run ads attacking MrVan’s voting record.

Progressives are running ads slamming Jennifer-Ruth Green for being pro-life. So, identity politics is out because it’s their guy that is the old white one (actually, I have no idea how old he is ).

In a time when everyone is complaining about the price of goods, I question why MrVan’s people are relying so heavily on the fear of the pro-life agenda. Maybe they figure this is Chicagoland and they have the election in the bag.

 

[ishtat]

Gabbard should not be written off too soon. She is only 41 and given that the USA nationally, is substantially a gerontocracy on both sides of politics, there is plenty of time for her to re-emerge in some sort of role in either National or local politics.

I think Tulsi is just bizarre and all over the map in terms of political positions. I don't see where she's representative of Hawaii or anywhere else.

Both CD and KeithD make valid observations. I do not think Tulsi will ever achieve much; she is not very bright, she flunked Community College but finally obtained a degree in Business studies from the US university ranked number 2,036.

Four international Beauty Queens and Sarah Palin + Tulsi make up 25% of the University's distinguished former students. The parallels with Palin are interesting, both effective attack 'dogs' but Tulsi does not even have Palin's substantive role as a governor on her CV. Some of her 'cult 'associations would prove very damaging should she ever be a serious contender for office. Her military and work records are modest.

CD is right that she has time to re-invent herself - I just do not think she can. She rated herself so highly that she sought a position on the replacement list for the Senate Vacancy(in 2012?) but her colleagues dismissed the idea. And that's her other major problem - good at making enemies but no good at making political friends/allies.

She could yet be a gift for the D's; conservative candidate Tulsi could easily be branded as another Palin, pretty, ineffectual, and a bimbo as dumb as a bag of hammers. Unfair of course, but that's politics post Karl Rove.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

They have become the party of the academic elite - an extreme (double meaning) minority.

That's a weird comment coming from a former Democrat who just twice voted for an uneducated idiot with a gold bathtub.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Trump is out of office. Anyone still screeching about him should look into addiction services. The dopamine rush of daily two-minute hates may be fun, but it’s getting counterproductive.

He's the right's leading candidate, holds rallies, and puts Americans at risk. Oh, and he and his acolytes are the ones still screeching about 2020. Otherwise, you're totally right.

 

[John_von_Neumann]

It's like Disingenuous844 is the woman version of AJ.