Trump team ultimatum: No more talks, time to vote

[4est_4est_Gump]

Yeah, whatever, I'm not paying attention.

 

[Saint Peter]

Yeah, me too. I am not reading a word you post. Nope. Not one. Not ever.

 

[Emerson40]

Taradiddles and an unrealistic sense of their own self-importance.


The more common symptoms of blind allegiance.

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[Phelia]

I too did not vote for Trump. I applaud what the Freedom Caucus has done. This was a bad bill and the three-part launch was fucking nonsense, I am also pleased to see that the Democrats get to keep Obamacare and that it lives for another year. I want them to enjoy the benefits of that which they created and the pain that it will inflict upon the American people; they will be able to crow about how they put the brakes on the economy and pat themselves on the back assured that the next election is in the bag for them because of the overwhelming support for the ACA. There's one thing in it for almost everybody!

Ahhhh, I do love the smell of fresh AJ bullshit in the morning! This was your plan all along, right? You and daddy?

Is that what you meant when you were gloating about it a few weeks ago?

We've been told, ad nauseam, that the repeal of ObamaCare is not possible because the Republicans have no plan...



Yet, they are introducing it today. Did they write it on Sunday?

Even funnier, years ago, before it even existed!

That's because you do not want to know what it is.

You cannot be bothered to look it up, and you certainly will not hear about it from the sources of news that you consider truthful and unbiased.

That's is what the Gruber Elites are fucking counting on.

But this was allllll part of the plan, right? Daddy says promises to repeal the yucky bill within 100 days, fails spectacularly, but that was the move all along, right? The whole point is to wait! No, seven years isn't long enough, goddamnit! We need EIGHT! OBVIOUSLY!

You've been playing the long game, haven't you? This is why you "voted for Obama" in 2008 to teach us dumb liberals a lesson. You've had this all planned out for years! You're a genius!!!!!!

 

[Disgustipated]

Using AJ's own words against him is just mean.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Hey Chief! Were you lying then?

No, I don't have health insurance; I have cash (and gold; the wife went into silver).
What's that got to do with anything?

Or are you lying now?

I've had insurance for a very long time now, so switching policies (which I have done three times in the past few years) is never a problem because I have always had insurance.

Situational Red Man Speak With Forked Tongue!

Using AJ's own words against him is just mean.

Isn't it, though?

 

[Pookie]

No, I don't have health insurance; I have cash (and gold; the wife went into silver).

I've had insurance for a very long time now, so switching policies (which I have done three times in the past few years) is never a problem because I have always had insurance.

Next time, do your fucking homework before you launch into attack mode.

This is why you are on ignore. Your politics turn you into a moron.

As Chey would say ... spreadsheets people!

Are you even half-Indian, AJ? Pookahontas wants to know. *nods*

 

[Phelia]

It's not a debate, nationalism =/= white supremacy....no matter what Salon says.

Sure, because white nationalism isn't a thing. "Culture and demographics." Sounds legit!

Not, Americans.

And in the case of Wilders, not the Dutch.

Or simply anyone antithetical to those cultures/civilizations.

Right! We should just stop all immigration. That sounds inline with the history of America.

Okay. I didn't perhaps say it as clearly as I should have. My concern is that there are not enough people like me IN the Republican party to make a difference by leaving it should the resurgence to the right continue.

I did not vote in this past election because I was away from my polling place. But I would NOT have voted for Trump. Current party leaders are not going to embrace white supremacy. But the victory by the far right today only makes them stronger. Perhaps even eventually strong enough to pass a health care bill they would REALLY like -- because the current bill wasn't conservative ENOUGH.

I'm just saying that at some point, a bipartisan coalition of the political middle better find a way to regain some control, or it won't matter which extremists "win." Everyone else will lose.

And I will cop to reacting to your post more generally than to the specific content - I did grasp your point and certainly there's something to discuss but it struck me as ridiculous to lead with that. Appreciate the follow-up.

We disagree on a lot, but I'd be thrilled if there were more people like you in the Republican party, because I think you care about substance and facts. Neither side has really prioritized those which is mind-boggling, and now we have a reality TV star with the nuke codes so that's great.

That out of the way, it's already happening. You might hate Bannon, but the RNC got fully in bed with him and the rest of his Breitbart creeps when they decided to hitch themselves to Trump's apple cart. They keep quiet when they're endorsed by the KKK and make up lies about illegal immigrants voting and fake "radical islamic terrorist" attacks.

Why? Because they have nothing substantial to offer. So they prey on and stoke primal fears of "the other," and even "the reasonable ones" like you say oh well at least they're going to be tough on immigration and ISIS. Things that pose a quantifiably lower risk to the American people than something like, say, not having health insurance after a car accident, which they're simultaneously trying to force into reality. It's nuts.

Yes, the reasonable people need to stick together and fight. Have you called your senators and representatives to tell them what's important to you, as a Republican voter? Did you suggest bipartisan-ism when Ryan & Co spent the last few congressional sessions fruitlessly passing bills to repeal the ACA over and over and over?

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Many of those are people who had coverage prior to Obamacare but cannot afford what they were forced to enroll in by Obamacare. Premiums higher, deductibles are higher, and co-pays are higher, than what they had before. Some of these are high enough to prevent people from actually using their coverage. There's a difference between being covered and affording care.

Yes, the ACA needs perfecting legislation. Has for a while. Now the Party of No has the reigns. They could have gotten this done anytime in the last 6 years but the Freedom Caucus fired Bonior and now they want to fire Ryan. Now the same 40 assholes are holding 1/6 of the economy hostage because kicking 24 million people off ACA and removing maternity coverage from the basic insurance package does not go far enough.

Premiums, deductible and copays were going up before ACA too, just a lot faster.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Sure, because white nationalism isn't a thing.

I never said it wasn't, but that's not what you provided evidence of or even claimed.

You provided evidence of nationalism, and tried to call it white supremacy.

"Culture and demographics." Sounds legit!

In reference to the wholesale importation of a population of people not only antithetical to our core western liberal values but DIRECTLY HOSTILE to our very existence, it's about as legit as it gets.

Right! We should just stop all immigration.

I don't think anyone except a few powerless and unimportant fringe lunatics have suggested anything of the sort.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Excuse me? We have just witnessed a stunning Republican failure on every possible front. Trump, the "amazing businessman" behind the art of the deal humiliated himself. He may have violated propaganda laws as a cheerleader of this steaming pile of horseshit, proved himself utterly incapable of successful negotiation, and broke his promise to the country with his tail between his legs and his middle fingers up. The "moderate" conservatives, who have done nothing but obstruct obstruct obstruct were forced to show their cards and they have NOTHING. They are a shell game and nothing more.

And you come in here with advice that the Democrats need to be ready to compromise?

Do you really not see it? The GOP is not a thing anymore. It is a scam. They stand for nothing. If the crazy far right starts to make progress, it's because people like you are too cowardly to abandon party lines as the leaders on your side embrace white supremacy.

Okay. I didn't perhaps say it as clearly as I should have. My concern is that there are not enough people like me IN the Republican party to make a difference by leaving it should the resurgence to the right continue.

I did not vote in this past election because I was away from my polling place. But I would NOT have voted for Trump. Current party leaders are not going to embrace white supremacy. But the victory by the far right today only makes them stronger. Perhaps even eventually strong enough to pass a health care bill they would REALLY like -- because the current bill wasn't conservative ENOUGH.

I'm just saying that at some point, a bipartisan coalition of the political middle better find a way to regain some control, or it won't matter which extremists "win." Everyone else will lose.

It would not be a failure by either party if the more centrist Dem and GOP got together, and let the 50 -75, in each party stay on the edges and get something done. That pretty much carves out the Progressive Caucus and the Freedom Caucus.

They can call it "Repair and Revamp"

 

[Sean]

Why? Because they have nothing substantial to offer. So they prey on and stoke primal fears of "the other," and even "the reasonable ones" like you say oh well at least they're going to be tough on immigration and ISIS. Things that pose a quantifiably lower risk to the American people than something like, say, not having health insurance after a car accident, which they're simultaneously trying to force into reality. It's nuts.

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People who feel safer with a gun than with guaranteed medical insurance don't yet have a fully adult concept of scary.

 

[Phelia]

It would not be a failure by either party if the more centrist Dem and GOP got together, and let the 50 -75, in each party stay on the edges and get something done. That pretty much carves out the Progressive Caucus and the Freedom Caucus.

What a novel idea. You must be the first person to say so. They should just ask you, next time! Duh!

 

[Parminderjeet]

Using AJ's own words against him is just mean.

That makes his little paki friend upset when you make his master look like the idiotic wind bag he is.

 

[Parminderjeet]

As Chey would say ... spreadsheets people!

Are you even half-Indian, AJ? Pookahontas wants to know. *nods*

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[Wrong Element]

It would not be a failure by either party if the more centrist Dem and GOP got together, and let the 50 -75, in each party stay on the edges and get something done. That pretty much carves out the Progressive Caucus and the Freedom Caucus.

They can call it "Repair and Revamp"

Something like that would be the actual Affordable Care Act, the prototype for which was Romneycare in Massachusetts, which was hammered together by a Republican governor and Democratic legislature.

The problem is that the GOP has never been able to treat Obamacare as the centrist compromise that it was, which has pushed the whole party too far to the right to ever get anything accomplished on health care.

What's going to have to happen, frankly, is the passage of time. Fifty years ago, Medicare was still controversial in conservative circles. Fast forward to the Tea Party protests and "get the government out of my Medicare!" Eventually the ACA too will be mainstream enough to where Republicans will be less obsessed with getting rid of it and more concerned with improving it.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Eventually the ACA too will be mainstream enough to where Republicans will be less obsessed with getting rid of it and more concerned with improving it.

Maybe if (D)'s hadn't been super corrupt shit bags with their garbage ass ACA in the first place and just done what everyone elected the mother fuckers to do......Hillary would be in office and the shit wouldn't need improving.

Certainly we wouldn't be trying to pry that huge (D)ick out of the working class's ass.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Maybe they should have solved World Peace, destroyed nuclear weapons and stopped Global Warming, too

There's fantasy land on chat boards, and then there's . . . history

The Dems killed a public option in 2009 and they passed the ACA such a "crap" (R) bill that they still lost in 2010 because SOCIALISM!!! and Obama was obstructed for 6 years because SOCIALISM!!! and (D) lost in 2017 because SOCIALISM!!!. But no! Bitter Boy has all the answers. Why, single payer would have easily sailed through, and the whole government would have turned Blue and everyone would have been happy ever after!

Meanwhile, in 2017, it's sunk in to the Dumb Fucks even with their shitty, crappy (R) ACA that duh they may have a right to health care.

Maybe if (D)'s hadn't been super corrupt shit bags with their garbage ass ACA in the first place and just done what everyone elected the mother fuckers to do......Hillary would be in office and the shit wouldn't need improving.

Certainly we wouldn't be trying to pry that huge (D)ick out of the working class's ass.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Maybe they should have solved World Peace, destroyed nuclear weapons and stopped Global Warming, too

I'd just settle for them not being corporate whores to the max every time they get power.

Why, single payer would have easily sailed through, and the whole government would have turned Blue and everyone would have been happy ever after!

Why couldn't it have?

Do you not think the US would have been happier with full coverage at lower prices instead of some expanded coverage for an even bigger price gouge than before?

Meanwhile, in 2017, it's sunk in to the Dumb Fucks even with their shitty, crappy (R) ACA that duh they may have a right to health care.

ACA was shitty, crappy (D) legislation.

Nobody has a right to health care or any other goods and services.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Well if yesterday was any proof, having control of the entire gov't practically does not mean you can do whatever the f you want. And like it or not, corporations and health insurance companies and the wealthy are part of the American populace, too. I never said Ds or Rs can ignore them entirely. You have to work with what you have, i.e. reality, not fantasy land.

I think single payer would have failed and thus would have ended ANY HC revision at all. It would have sunk. Done, over with.

It couldn't be done at that time. NOW I am getting pissed at Ds for not pushing it. Obamacare is entrenched. You cannot get rid of it without going to the next logical phase. Do you think Democatic Socialism could be implemented over night? Voila! You still have people like you screaming SOCIALISM!!!

But no, someone who has never been in politics and run for office could have magically done it all! On HIS time--that would be magical hindsight time.

Seven years on, no matter what they did, even electing Trump, they could not kill it. Baby steps. Pretty soon we'll have full gay marriage equality.

I'd just settle for them not being corporate whores to the max every time they get power.




Why couldn't it have?

Do you not think the US would have been happier with full coverage at lower prices instead of some expanded coverage for an even bigger price gouge than before?



ACA was shitty, crappy (D) legislation.

Nobody has a right to health care or any other goods and services.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Yes, they do.

It's in the Constitution, look it up.

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are rights.

Hard to do that when you're dead.

Nobody has a right to health care .

 

[BotanyBoy]

Well if yesterday was any proof, having control of the entire gov't practically does not mean you can do whatever the f you want.

It's proof the (R)'s are just as corrupt as the (D)'s.

The corporate whore (R)'s got into it with the principled (R)'s, just like when ACA was going down the principled (D)'s got into it with the Clinton (D)'s and we got a steaming pile of shit from the compromise.

I think single payer would have failed and thus would have ended ANY HC revision at all. It would have sunk. Done, over with.

Only because greedy fuckers in the government lining their pockets instead of doing what is not only is a logical/rationally beneficial thing for the people of this country but also being asked for by those people.

It couldn't be done at that time.

Because a good portion of the DNC, just like the GOP, is a bunch of greedy fucking slime balls....that's the only reason why.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Yes, they do.

It's in the Constitution, look it up.

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are rights.

Hard to do that when you're dead.

That's nowhere in the Constitution.

 

[adrina]

That's nowhere in the Constitution.

Technically they're in the Declaration of Independence and are the first three (unalienable) rights claimed.

 

[RobDownSouth]

ACA was shitty, crappy (D) legislation.

Agreed. It was, however, the best option available at the time and a marked improvement over the bad old days. We've litigated this before.

Nobody has a right to health care.

This seems to be one of the defining issues of our decade. The general consensus in America seems to be that there is a right.

Previous issues were Social Security, Medicare, Jim Crow laws, interracial marriage, abortion, gay marriage and America as the world's policeman.

Next up: immigration.