Trump team ultimatum: No more talks, time to vote

[Adre]

Remember Trump supporters: Don't forget to tell us when you get tired of winning.

 

[Rightguide]

I think the ultimatum is a smart move. Let the House Republicans own it if they fail and be primaried in the next election by Republicans who will advance the repeal of Obamacare. Obamacare, it's economic pain, suffering, and failure will always be owned by the Democrats. They gave birth to it.

The House should have loaded the bill up sent it off to the Senate and if it died under the Bryd Rule, blame it on the Democrats. More people are going to be harmed by Obamacare than helped by it. That dynamic will be driven home with a vengeance in months to come.

 

[Rightguide]

Remember Trump supporters: Don't forget to tell us when you get tired of winning.

We won when we prevented the election of a multiple felon who would have continued the third term of the previous criminal enterprise.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Lol

The great Deal maker comes through!

His brilliant insight?

To pass the buck and restate the same option that's been on the table (and failed) for 7 years.

The genius boggles the mind.

 

[Adre]

We won when we prevented the election of a multiple felon who would have continued the third term of the previous criminal enterprise.

Bless your heart, you set the bar pretty low. Enjoy winning.

 

[Wrong Element]

My guess is that enough goodies have been ladled on to the bill -- no one is going to know what's even all in it, let alone be able to read it -- to ensure it will be passed.

And if it's close, they can always use the same strategy that worked so well for the prescription drug bill: hold the vote open for as long as it takes.

 

[Saint Peter]

Although Spicer insisted that the vote-gathering is continuing to "make progress," he made clear that the White House does not yet have a majority.

So sad.

 

[Rightguide]

Lol

The great Deal maker comes through!

His brilliant insight?

To pass the buck and restate the same option that's been on the table (and failed) for 7 years.

The genius boggles the mind.

Hey, he didn't write the bill, it's not his job. That was Ryan's bill, he's the one who didn't want anyone to see the bill until the last minute and wouldn't accept amendments from conservatives. So let him and his minions own the consequences.

 

[Rightguide]

Bless your heart, you set the bar pretty low. Enjoy winning.

Hillary's bar was so low it exceeded the limbo limits of a majority of American states.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Hed certainly try and take credit for it if it worked, and if it does pass you'll be giving him all the praise.

Meanwhile, it's Pass the Buck.

Hey, he didn't write the bill, it's not his job. That was Ryan's bill, he's the one who didn't want anyone to see the bill until the last minute and wouldn't accept amendments from conservatives. So let him and his minions own the consequences.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Some reports are saying Trump caved in and agreed to end the ban on pre-existing condition denials....just to get a "victory".

The Art of The Desperate Deal.

The uninsured column just got ten million higher.

 

[james_1957]

I think the ultimatum is a smart move. Let the House Republicans own it if they fail and be primaried in the next election by Republicans who will advance the repeal of Obamacare. Obamacare, it's economic pain, suffering, and failure will always be owned by the Democrats. They gave birth to it.

The House should have loaded the bill up sent it off to the Senate and if it died under the Bryd Rule, blame it on the Democrats. More people are going to be harmed by Obamacare than helped by it. That dynamic will be driven home with a vengeance in months to come.

Best post in the thread.

 

[KingOrfeo]

More people are going to be harmed by Obamacare than helped by it.

It has been in place for seven years and no one has been harmed by it yet.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The uninsured column just got ten million higher.

Rightguide and a plethora of Queerbait alts will be along shortly to claim that that is a "positive" thing for Murica.

 

[Rightguide]

It has been in place for seven years and no one has been harmed by it yet.

Absolute lie.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Absolute lie.

Cite?

 

[KingOrfeo]

Absolute lie.

Who has been harmed by it and how?

 

[IrezumiKiss]

With seven years to come up with a plan, it seems odd that the Repbulicans can't even agree amongst themselves.

Best post in the thread.

 

[Wrong Element]

This entire episode has really illustrated how out of his league Trump is when it comes to making "deals" with people he can't just order around. He lost patience after just a couple of days of talks.

Having said that, their gamble that the House will fold because members of Congress (of both parties) are not renowned for their courage or principles could certainly work.

 

[Rightguide]

The uninsured column just got ten million higher.

Many of those are people who had coverage prior to Obamacare but cannot afford what they were forced to enroll in by Obamacare. Premiums higher, deductibles are higher, and co-pays are higher, than what they had before. Some of these are high enough to prevent people from actually using their coverage. There's a difference between being covered and affording care.

 

[Wrong Element]

There's a difference between being covered and affording care.

Uh, yeah, that's what some of us have been trying to say when Trump, Ryan etc. say that everyone will "have access" to insurance, not that will actually have insurance, which is what Trump promised repeatedly even after he was elected. I "have access" to a Lamborghini, if I could afford one, which I can't.


Meanwhile, Rodney Frelinghuysen, the Dickens character who moonlights as chair of the Appropriations Committee, says he's voting no. It would be unusual for a key committee chair to vote no on a bill so important to the leadership and to a president from his own party.


This thing will either pass by 1 or 2 votes, or lose by 20-25. If it's going to go down anyway, a lot of folks are not going to vote yes in vain on something everyone from the far left to Heritage and the Kochs hates.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Many of those are people who had coverage prior to Obamacare but cannot afford what they were forced to enroll in by Obamacare. Premiums higher, deductibles are higher, and co-pays are higher, than what they had before. Some of these are high enough to prevent people from actually using their coverage. There's a difference between being covered and affording care.

Cite?

 

[Rightguide]

Uh, yeah, that's what some of us have been trying to say when Trump, Ryan etc. say that everyone will "have access" to insurance, not that will actually have insurance, which is what Trump promised repeatedly even after he was elected. I "have access" to a Lamborghini, if I could afford one, which I can't.


Meanwhile, Rodney Frelinghuysen, the Dickens character who moonlights as chair of the Appropriations Committee, says he's voting no. It would be unusual for a key committee chair to vote no on a bill so important to the leadership and to a president from his own party.


This thing will either pass by 1 or 2 votes, or lose by 20-25. If it's going to go down anyway, a lot of folks are not going to vote yes in vain on something everyone from the far left to Heritage and the Kochs hates.

"All" will not be covered no matter what they come up with. Many will simply choose not to buy it in the first place.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

"All" will not be covered no matter what they come up with. Many will simply choose not to buy it in the first place.

So you're saying Trump lied?

 

[Phelia]

Love reading about Ryan racing to the White House to whine to daddy that no one wants to play with him. These people are a JOKE.

I try to maintain empathy for the people who swallowed the lies and got us here. But it's tough.