Trump fucks up again. Ukraine negotiation goes sideways

[ChloeTzang]

Jesus Christ, he's even more delusional than Biden. A ceasefire? There is no fucking ceasefire. Not anywhere except maybe in his mind. What world is Trump living in. Russia broke that shit 3 hrs after Putin "agreed" to it, except he didn't even agree. He loaded it with conditions that were basically required Ukraine to capitulate. Putin DID NOT agree. Ukraine DID NOT agree. There is no ceasefire. His statement that 'so far that's all held very well' is completely wrong. Russia continues to attack Ukraine's infrastructure against the terms of his ceasefire. Trump just looks out of touch with reality and completely weak. There aren't the Houthi's here.

Anything but hitting Russia with the most severe sanctions looks weak. Listen to what Trumo says and the reality today is that Washington has become a proxy for Moscow, and Trump's position on Ukraine is now very blatantly geared toward serving Putin's interests.

 

[PersonalFavors]

Where did Trump fuck up?
We are not in this war. Since he has been President we are not sending money and fewer and fewer weapons. I think today or yesterday we made a rare earth mineral agreement. He offered we manage their nuclear plants for them.
The only fuck up the world sees since oBinden started this war and funded it with what of the billions that actually made it past Zeniskyys pockets is NATO trying to act as if nothing is happening.
Will be interesting to see who f*cked up Heathrow today.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Putin is the latest in a long line of Russian despots whose concern is only for self and not for the thousands upon thousands of Russian lives lost in pursuit of his vision of glory.

Stalin didn't care how many Russians died in WWII (after initially siding with Hitler) so long as each one used up at least one German bullet. Putin is the same.

The one abiding fear VP has is that of losing power... because he knows that then all the wronged people of Russia will come looking for him. As with Putin, so with Donny boy... and therefore we are looking at the end of fair and free elections in the USA.

Yep.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Jesus Christ, he's even more delusional than Biden.

He's always been more delusional then Biden.

 

[dmallord]

Jesus Christ, he's even more delusional than Biden. A ceasefire? There is no fucking ceasefire. Not anywhere except maybe in his mind. What world is Trump living in. Russia broke that shit 3 hrs after Putin "agreed" to it, except he didn't even agree. He loaded it with conditions that were basically required Ukraine to capitulate. Putin DID NOT agree. Ukraine DID NOT agree. There is no ceasefire. His statement that 'so far that's all held very well' is completely wrong. Russia continues to attack Ukraine's infrastructure against the terms of his ceasefire. Trump just looks out of touch with reality and completely weak. There aren't the Houthi's here.

Anything but hitting Russia with the most severe sanctions looks weak. Listen to what Trumo says and the reality today is that Washington has become a proxy for Moscow, and Trump's position on Ukraine is now very blatantly geared toward serving Putin's interests.


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Unfortunately, you are realizing what many of us knew from the beginning. Trump is delusional and from another planet within his own mind.

Welcome to reality. At least you have a better grasp of it now.

 

[Lazaran]

One can but hope.

The man is a monster... and like all monsters he has created more, mainly at home but also... abroad...

Chloe voted for President Musk (and DonOld) , so…



It takes more than Putin to create monsters “abroad”; it takes an ignorant, racist, fascistic, misogynistic, bigoted majority of the electorate in America, etc, who buy into the hate &! gaslighting (or are complicit in the hate and gaslighting).

Enter Chloe, etc.



Also:

We. Told. Them. So.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Chloe voted for President Musk (and DonOld) , so…



It takes more than Putin to create monsters “abroad”; it takes an ignorant, racist, fascistic, misogynistic, bigoted majority of the electorate in America, etc, who buy into the hate &! gaslighting (or are complicit in the hate and gaslighting).

Enter Chloe, etc.



Also:

We. Told. Them. So.

Yep, I voted for Trump on the basis that he would gut the Feds, root out the corruption and elimimate all the looting of taxpayers money - which is exactly what DOGE is doing, and the waste, theft and corruption is unbelievable. That and illegal aliens and deportations altho those need to be really stepped up. 35k a day as what we need to see. There's no-one else that could do that.

BUT on trade and Ukraine, it's a disaster. I'm torn here, but I guess by the time we get to the next elections whatever will have been done will have been done.

 

[Rebel5soul]

Yep, I voted for Trump on the basis that he would gut the Feds, root out the corruption and elimimate all the looting of taxpayers money - which is exactly what DOGE is doing, and the waste, theft and corruption is unbelievable. That and illegal aliens and deportations altho those need to be really stepped up. 35k a day as what we need to see. There's no-one else that could do that.

BUT on trade and Ukraine, it's a disaster. I'm torn here, but I guess by the time we get to the next elections whatever will have been done will have been done.

The trade stuff is going to work out just fine.

As far as Ukraine goes, they were never going to win. The whole affair has turned into a pointless war of attrition. Best to end it now. And fear not, Russia isn't going to be invading anyone else. The Ukrainians have bled them of their young men and their demographics was already in the toilet.

Morally the Russians are total assholes, but Ukraine isn't worth starting WWIII over.

 

[Lazaran]

Yep, I voted for Trump on the basis that he would gut the Feds, root out the corruption and elimimate all the looting of taxpayers money - which is exactly what DOGE is doing, and the waste, theft and corruption is unbelievable. That and illegal aliens and deportations altho those need to be really stepped up. 35k a day as what we need to see. There's no-one else that could do that.

BUT on trade and Ukraine, it's a disaster. I'm torn here, but I guess by the time we get to the next elections whatever will have been done will have been done.

Like I said…



Also:

We. Told. Them. So.

 

[dmallord]

Yep, I voted for Trump on the basis that he would gut the Feds, root out the corruption and elimimate all the looting of taxpayers money - which is exactly what DOGE is doing, and the waste, theft and corruption is unbelievable. That and illegal aliens and deportations altho those need to be really stepped up. 35k a day as what we need to see. There's no-one else that could do that.

BUT on trade and Ukraine, it's a disaster. I'm torn here, but I guess by the time we get to the next elections whatever will have been done will have been done.

For all the Ballyhoo about billions in waste, theft, and corruption, no one has stepped forward to provide a list with dollar amounts, or of those responsible for the grifting, or how to effectively prevent that from happening again, if it even happened the first time.

Where is the data that supports the claim(s) that Eloon's 'children' found as they are running amok in private databases?

Show me that Chloe. Show me the unbelievable. Or is it one more of the delusional Felon's rants? I suspect the latter.

I grant you that you will find waste, mismanagement, and perhaps fraud. I don't buy into it as needing to gut the Feds. That's extremist views and damned dangerous in our current situation.

You don't bulldoze an entire forest to clear a path. That's what you still call for, even after your realization that Trump is evil incarnate.

Wake up, child. You’ve seen the dawn. Now, understand the outcome in the light as the sun rises.

 

[ChloeTzang]

For all the Ballyhoo about billions in waste, theft, and corruption, no one has stepped forward to provide a list with dollar amounts, or of those responsible for the grifting, or how to effectively prevent that from happening again, if it even happened the first time.

Where is the data that supports the claim(s) that Eloon's 'children' found as they are running amok in private databases?

Show me that Chloe. Show me the unbelievable. Or is it one more of the delusional Felon's rants? I suspect the latter.

I grant you that you will find waste, mismanagement, and perhaps fraud. I don't buy into it as needing to gut the Feds. That's extremist views and damned dangerous in our current situation.

You don't bulldoze an entire forest to clear a path. That's what you still call for, even after your realization that Trump is evil incarnate.

Wake up, child. You’ve seen the dawn. Now, understand the outcome in the light as the sun rises.

USAID was full of examples. DOD too. All the Federal Govt Depts.

Why on earth are we givig grants to Aussie Universities. We're 35 trillion in debt to fund this shit? Cancel the grants. Find out who approved them and fire them too. And do that across the board. This is just beyond insane. THIS bullshit is why Trump was elected and why Vance will be reelected with an even bigger majority.

I mean I am fucked off with Trump over Ukraine, but I am beyond fucked off by all this bullshit spending. It's beyond ridiculous, it's insane. In this case, you do bulldoze an entire forest because most of it IS rotten and needs to be burnt to the ground.

 

[whiskeytangofoxtrot]

USAID was full of examples. DOD too. All the Federal Govt Depts.

Why on earth are we givig grants to Aussie Universities. We're 35 trillion in debt to fund this shit? Cancel the grants. Find out who approved them and fire them too. And do that across the board. This is just beyond insane. THIS bullshit is why Trump was elected and why Vance will be reelected with an even bigger majority.

I mean I am fucked off with Trump over Ukraine, but I am beyond fucked off by all this bullshit spending. It's beyond ridiculous, it's insane. In this case, you do bulldoze an entire forest because most of it IS rotten and needs to be burnt to the ground.

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You may want to ask all the fine folks who served in congress and what they proposed and voted on. Start there. The beauraucrats that are being punished didn't propose or vote for any of the programs. Look at the pork barrel spending and the special interest groups that write up the language that gets voted on.

 

[ChloeTzang]

You may want to ask all the fine folks who served in congress and what they proposed and voted on. Start there. The beauraucrats that are being punished didn't propose or vote for any of the programs. Look at the pork barrel spending and the special interest groups that write up the language that gets voted on.

Absolutely!!! They're all being really really quiet these days. Not even a peep from Mitch. Or anyone. The silence of guilt. LOL. They know who the mob will turn on.

 

[KimAwakened]

Where did Trump fuck up?
We are not in this war. Since he has been President we are not sending money and fewer and fewer weapons. I think today or yesterday we made a rare earth mineral agreement. He offered we manage their nuclear plants for them.
The only fuck up the world sees since oBinden started this war and funded it with what of the billions that actually made it past Zeniskyys pockets is NATO trying to act as if nothing is happening.
Will be interesting to see who f*cked up Heathrow today.

It was VLADIMIR PUTIN who started the war, moron.

And now he's testing the West's ability to maintain infrastructure. His agents sabotaged the French rail network in the middle of last year. His navy sabotaged the Nord Stream pipeline in the Baltic after the invasion of Ukraine and his ships are busy scouting out undersea cables which carry communications and power. No prizes for guessing about the Heathrow incident.

All preparations for the coming war to which appeasers like you are deliberately self blinding. A few dollars more in your pocket? Great, and to hell with moral stands against murderous aggression far, far away, right?

Some would say we've heard this tune before...

 

[MajorRewrite]

Mexico pushing immigrants and fentanyl across the border, and then maybe do something about Canada, which may be on the road to becoming a failed state.

You used to be just a weird dystopian nut, but sadly you’ve gone off the deep end into pathetic MAGA delusional paranoia.

Mexico doesn’t “push” fentanyl across the border, it’s “pulled” across the border by demand from red state basket cases who can’t get enough of the stuff.

And there’s no reason to “do something about Canada.” It is not in any way a failed state, although Dipshit Donnie is trying to damage their economy for no reason (while he’s in the process of damaging ours).

 

[ChloeTzang]

Steve Witkoff is simply repeating Putin's claims. He's by no means stupid. He's deliberately aligning the USA with Russia.

The end result is, these "negotiations" will go nowhere, and Trump will use this as an excuse to turn against Ukraine.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Trump envoy dismisses Starmer plan for Ukraine​

Steve Witkoff dismissed Starmer's plan out of hand, as "a posture and a pose." Witkoff said the idea was based on a "simplistic" notion of the UK prime minister and other European leaders thinking "we have all got to be like Winston Churchill". In an interview with pro-Trump journalist Tucker Carlson, Witkoff praised Vladimir Putin, saying he "liked" the Russian president. "I don't regard Putin as a bad guy," he said. "He's super smart." Witkoff went on to repeat various Russian arguments, including that Ukraine was "a false country" and asked when the world would recognise occupied Ukrainian territory as Russian. Witkoff is leading the US ceasefire negotiations with both Russia and Ukraine but he was unable to name the five regions of Ukraine either annexed or partially occupied by Russian forces.

It's more than obvious that Trump wants to force Ukraine to capitulate to Putin's demands and extort economic concessions from Ukraine in return for assistig Putin, while offering no security guarantees of any kind.

Ukraine needs to just play along and stall for time while continuing to hammer the Russian economy, slaughter Russian troops and build that drone wall. They camm tll Trump to go fuck himself after they win.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62zm4eqvp7o

 

[Lazaran]

Trump envoy dismisses Starmer plan for Ukraine​

Steve Witkoff dismissed Starmer's plan out of hand, as "a posture and a pose." Witkoff said the idea was based on a "simplistic" notion of the UK prime minister and other European leaders thinking "we have all got to be like Winston Churchill". In an interview with pro-Trump journalist Tucker Carlson, Witkoff praised Vladimir Putin, saying he "liked" the Russian president. "I don't regard Putin as a bad guy," he said. "He's super smart." Witkoff went on to repeat various Russian arguments, including that Ukraine was "a false country" and asked when the world would recognise occupied Ukrainian territory as Russian. Witkoff is leading the US ceasefire negotiations with both Russia and Ukraine but he was unable to name the five regions of Ukraine either annexed or partially occupied by Russian forces.

It's more than obvious that Trump wants to force Ukraine to capitulate to Putin's demands and extort economic concessions from Ukraine in return for assistig Putin, while offering no security guarantees of any kind.

Ukraine needs to just play along and stall for time while continuing to hammer the Russian economy, slaughter Russian troops and build that drone wall. They camm tll Trump to go fuck himself after they win.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62zm4eqvp7o

A list is in order…





Also:

We. Told. Then. So.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Interesting Streiff writes for Red State, which is unabashadly pro-Trumop. For Streiff to say this about Witkoff (and therefore Trump) is a big change. Streiff has always been sound on Ukraine, too, right from the start.

 

[Chernosoth]

You used to be just a weird dystopian nut, but sadly you’ve gone off the deep end into pathetic MAGA delusional paranoia.

I thought I would be on the fringes forever. Trump has been doing much of what I think is necessary for the nation, which gives him some credibility in other actions I never considered. Other people who like what Trump does, bloggers, podcasters, etc., also now have more credibility to me.

 

[KimAwakened]

If he wanted to stop the fuel flow, he could have just told the fuel stations to stop the pumps. Sending out a naval force is unnecessary expense. The pipeline sabotage was obviously an American op.

Nope, it's all part of a pattern - and that's just one, small part. He's testing his operational capability. End of. Open your eyes. He has all the money he needs from his sales elsewhere - he doesn't need the pipeline-to-Germany revenue. Don't think for a moment that there's actually such a thing as 'Gazprom'. It's all Vladprom.

He's on a one-man mission, now decades long, to become another Peter the Great and restore the Russian Empire. He's been instructing his blackmailed Donny boy to make public claims on Canada and Greenland... without mentioning his own probable real designs on Alaska...

 

[Fuzzy1975]

If you read below, you'll understand how uneducated and out of touch with reality PersonalF is.

It was VLADIMIR PUTIN who started the war, moron.

And now he's testing the West's ability to maintain infrastructure. His agents sabotaged the French rail network in the middle of last year. His navy sabotaged the Nord Stream pipeline in the Baltic after the invasion of Ukraine and his ships are busy scouting out undersea cables which carry communications and power. No prizes for guessing about the Heathrow incident.

All preparations for the coming war to which appeasers like you are deliberately self blinding. A few dollars more in your pocket? Great, and to hell with moral stands against murderous aggression far, far away, right?

Some would say we've heard this tune before...

Canada is still better off as the 51st state

First, Canada has a written invitation to join the US in your constitution. Second, Canada has turned the USA down repeatedly about joining your fucked up Union of idiots. Third, twice we've kicked your sorry asses when you've invaded.

When will you dumbfucks get this: Canadians live longer, are happier, have a great social safety net, better health care, and a far superior education.

Now get back and answer the question, or keep sticking your head in your ass. Either way I'm entertained.

US invaded Canada. Never happened. Kicked France and Britain out and may have crossed to border to push them out.
Then Canada was granted independence from France and Britain. Canada did not fight for it. You annoyed them out.

Try taking a history class on the War of 1812.

"Canadians live longer, are happier, have a great social safety net, better health care, and a far superior education."

US fought that war for you.

Now really Kim, when you read that and see how PF's history knowledge is so far from reality, you understand it's best to not waste time in serious exchanges with @PersonalFavors .

 

[KimAwakened]

If you read below, you'll understand how uneducated and out of touch with reality PersonalF is.











Now really Kim, when you read that and see how PF's history knowledge is so far from reality, you understand it's best to not waste time in serious exchanges with @PersonalFavors .

Thanks for the heads up. I won't bother in future. Life's too short.

 

[whiskeytangofoxtrot]

Nope, it's all part of a pattern - and that's just one, small part. He's testing his operational capability. End of. Open your eyes. He has all the money he needs from his sales elsewhere - he doesn't need the pipeline-to-Germany revenue. Don't think for a moment that there's actually such a thing as 'Gazprom'. It's all Vladprom.

He's on a one-man mission, now decades long, to become another Peter the Great and restore the Russian Empire. He's been instructing his blackmailed Donny boy to make public claims on Canada and Greenland... without mentioning his own probable real designs on Alaska...

So well said about Putin's motivations. Unfortunately it is lost on a chunk on some of the more conservative posters here.

 

[KimAwakened]

So well said about Putin's motivations. Unfortunately it is lost on a chunk on some of the more conservative posters here.

We can forget about democracy in Russia. That has never existed and what they have now is a police state.

As far as America goes, you sort of feel that at least some Republican voters must realise by now the horrendous mistake they've made in backing the preening narcissist game show host. I'm sure that many of them must do, in fact, the more serious ones with some ability to think, possibly.

What you're up against now though, is the modern trend of total inability to admit to a mistake after the fact - the ultra-defensive 'I can do no wrong' mentality. And of course, by extension, it follows that whoever they vote into office is also perfection in a skin and must be defended come what may. Black will be called white. A full scale invasion will be called a 'special military operation'. Dissenting voices will be crushed. Truth will die.

There will be silence and Donny boy, under instructions from his master, will call it 'peace'...