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[Netzach]

Yes. It's great to know when I'm bored of the fantasy, especially.

 

[bridgeburner]

pure,

ttthhankyahverramuch.

-B



Netzach,

Friday I knew exactly what you meant, but today I've confused myself. Are you referring to character orgasm or audience/wanker orgasm (not that they're necessarily far apart if one times it right).


-B

 

[Netzach]

I'm referring to participant orgasm.

Which depending on the person and my mood can be a sought after thing or something very tiresome I want over and done.

 

[rosco rathbone]

I'm referring to participant orgasm.

Which depending on the person and my mood can be a sought after thing or something very tiresome I want over and done.

So, the on-off switch is a good thing, right? An easy way to control the intensity of the proceedings. The tone of your first post seemd to pick a bone with this quirk of male mind body makeup.

 

[Pure]

As is not uncommon, Ms Netzach, in suggesting an on/off switch, is ignoring the Coolidge Effect.

 

[bridgeburner]

How do you all feel about rants? I suppose I'm getting ready to find out. I'm feeling ranty.

Right up there on my list of things that make me kak, alongside gentle doms and princess subs are passive aggressive men who try to gain points by constantly talking about how much they love to eat pussy.

Fine. You like to eat pussy, but the fact that you are a whining, sexist, limp-dicked sycophant means that you will not ever have the pleasure of eating mine. Now fuck off and go play with the other trolls.


/rant


-B

 

[Netzach]

Not frustrated inordinately, more like amused at my ever having lost sight of it.

Oh, pussy eating.

Yeah, it's like it's the greatest favor in the world, proof of all things chivalrous, good and altruistic in a male, right?

My favorite are the ones I've just had lick my shoes that ask to lick my pussy.

First of all...as if.

Second of all....double as if. You've just been licking my SHOES.

 

[rosco rathbone]

How do you all feel about rants? I suppose I'm getting ready to find out. I'm feeling ranty.

Right up there on my list of things that make me kak, alongside gentle doms and princess subs are passive aggressive men who try to gain points by constantly talking about how much they love to eat pussy.

Fine. You like to eat pussy, but the fact that you are a whining, sexist, limp-dicked sycophant means that you will not ever have the pleasure of eating mine. Now fuck off and go play with the other trolls.


/rant


-B

Yes, this seems to represent some sort of horrible, overall trend. I've noticed it in my internet wanderings. Netzach, I think, rightly detects the note of condescension or patronization.

I'd venture, furthermore, that most of the straight men of this description are looking for a quid pro quo exchange, though without being up-front about it. Again, the passive-aggressive problem; which I do believe is bred into our young men by society at this time.

I also believe there to be some connections between the gentle-dom phenom and that of the aggressive pussy-suckers.

For some time, I have been on a complete strike against vagina-sucking and a near-complete strike against putting any effort into giving girls orgasms. Part of it is simply contrarian-an effort to row upstream against the times, part a need to express my deep sexual selfishness-which I do believe to be an essential element of my male make-up, part an act of tiny terrorisme against the goddess and her all-devouring, all-powerful, life-giving, moon-worshipping pussy. Since I am from the same generation under discussion here; and having been subjected to the same cultural, peer and family influences, I regard myself as sort of a black-sheep pussy sucker; cut from the same cloth, or perhaps I should say raised in the same pasture so as not to mix metaphors. Thus, I get a definite imp-of-the-perverse thrill from taking a my-way-or-the-highway attitude towards quid pro quo sex, viz., that I shall be serviced and you shall not; while a man of my father's generation, having never had the sense of sexual obligation bred into him through books such as The Joy Of Sex and How To Make Love To A Woman, would not have the sense of rebellion or shame neccesary to provide such a sexual thrill.

Thus, in some way, I feel myself to be a sexual spokesperson for the repressed part of the current male psyche; through my deeds at least, which I sometimes write about here in order to "lead by example" and to make other gnomes feel that they are not so alone.

All this said, I am actually thinking about breaking the strike. I feel like I have successfully disconnected the idea of vagina licking and giving girls orgasms--from the sense of oppression and obligation that used to fill me when I considered quid pro quo sex. At one point, I actually liked making women come; and I was rather talented at it; not a surprise given my overly acute bodymind antennae. The idea in my mind, at this time, is to bring back the pleasing aspects of pleasing another; while at no time allowing females out from under the thumb.

I have spoken.


rr

 

[rosco rathbone]

Not frustrated inordinately, more like amused at my ever having lost sight of it.

Oh, pussy eating.

Yeah, it's like it's the greatest favor in the world, proof of all things chivalrous, good and altruistic in a male, right?

My favorite are the ones I've just had lick my shoes that ask to lick my pussy.

First of all...as if.

Second of all....double as if. You've just been licking my SHOES.

You should have one of your other guys there, bent over, in a tutu, asshole waxed--when the shoe lickers ask to lick pussy, you tell them: "fine, but it is MAN pussy that you shall lick"..............

 

[bridgeburner]

Second of all....double as if. You've just been licking my SHOES.

ohmigod that's funny!

 

[bridgeburner]

Yes, this seems to represent some sort of horrible, overall trend. I've noticed it in my internet wanderings. Netzach, I think, rightly detects the note of condescension or patronization.

I'd venture, furthermore, that most of the straight men of this description are looking for a quid pro quo exchange, though without being up-front about it. Again, the passive-aggressive problem; which I do believe is bred into our young men by society at this time.

I also believe there to be some connections between the gentle-dom phenom and that of the aggressive pussy-suckers.

That's it exactly. I hate this kind of squirmy passive aggression. It's a ruse designed to suck you in so he can crush you later, but he's got to use the fake out because he hasn't got the force of personality to draw women in otherwise.




-B

 

[Quint]

In other words, bridge honey, we love rants around here.

rosco, good to see you back; though I had to check your avatar a couple of times--you sounded like Pure for a few paragraphs. Very disconcerting. Nice thought on the man-pussy. Thought you didn't like the word?

On the application of orgasms, although we got into this a few pages ago: I can see advantages to either side. Deny every good sensual reciprocating lover technique=effective. Give a little, even to the point of orgasm, and still manage to be a complete degrading asshole= effective. Whims are nice.

If T ever calls me his precious pet, I'll probably red out.

 

[bridgeburner]

Oh good. I think I'm just ranty lately. Well, the last two days anyway. I'm extremely irritable because I need to pack up and get out of town and I'm stuck here at the office avoiding work.

I can't decide if I need to arm myself and start shooting random dolts on the freeway or sign up for a good spanking.


Probably I should be left to my own pervy thoughts sitting in a corner with a pack of Camels and a good smutty book.


-B

 

[rosco rathbone]

I've been threatening to pop the armored bubble of the ass; to go the kung fu way of the ass; and I have turned the corner--purchased an aneros; with which I do hope to overcome my anal conditioning.

Walking home with that and new copy of "The Ethical Slut"; I am filled with hope and fear and thrills of new potential expression for personal power.

The role of the top is getting dusty for me and needs re definition.

 

[Netzach]

An aneros AND a copy of the Ethical Slut?

Is this OUR rr? I can see you sticking things in you ass, I can't see you reading the ethical slut, though, perhaps it's chauvenism on my part.

Thought:

when men act like it's the greatest favor in the whole known universe to lick my cunt and they are privy to its secret hows and whys I simply think they think it's disgusting.

Dunno. I bathe regularly, I personally think it's rather cool, kinda pretty in an Okeefe way, and if it's just that it's not so fucking obsession worthy is it?

But I'm happy to milk a male obsession for all it's worth, if that's what it takes.

Sexual quid pro quo is kind of a contemporary expectation in both directions, nauseating as I find this.

I personally have no problem letting someone labor under the delusion that licking me will make me want to blow him. It might happen on birthdays and eclipses or if the mood strikes.

Ironically, I rather enjoy dick, and find it in the abstract just dandy. Of course, that enjoyment of blowing is secondary, tertiary far down the ladder compared to the pleasure of the power of having a man *dying* to be blown.

 

[rosco rathbone]

Can't see me reading ethical slut, eh?

hehehe

I think that secret girlpower has always been domination of the sexual freedom. Girls are the real original sluts, the unjealous ones. I aim to usurp that power, as surely and boldly as any gal NAval Academy plebe who dreams of flying a jump jet off of an aircraft carrier some day......

Girls know how to maneuver through the emotional minefields. I will follow them through.

 

[Netzach]

And you want a lesson in the softly yeilding powers, to boot?

How about this though, we have 2 distinct ingrained messages.

If you are a girl, your sexuality is your capital. Your desireability is your worth.

If you are a guy, your sexuality is your God given right, it's a kind of semi-shameful walking joke, heh heh, the little head has a mind of its own. YOU can't control it, let alone anyone.
But it's not as totemic, not as endowed with subtext.

To control a girl, control of her sexuality is critical.

To control a guy, guilt is a tool and a means to power Can be guilt over sexuality, but why limit your range?

Women have historically had to feel less out of control when their man sleeps around, because..hah...we STILL have the cosmic burden of guilt to hit you over the head with. Besides, what can you expect, the bastards.

Men...well, if your bitch fucks around, she's not in your control at all. You must be some kind of idiot with a small cock.

 

[evesdream]

-BridgeBurner, rantiness combined with thinkiness are always welcome (welcome)

Ethical Slut has a good heart and excellent advice in the way of polyamory and selfawareness, yet.. it didn't..speak to me, so soft toned it was. And then I kept thinking "i could write better" if'n i were a Slut or Ethical even.

The last person I told "I love you but, I have a problem with monogamy and I want to see other people", feeling all self-aware and ethical and right thinking, and straight-up in the name of love, gave me a tongue lashing i'll not soon forget. and I still secretly think it panned out that way for the reasons that Netzach listed.

But going back to the Easton book, I'd like to see the version that talks about maneouvering in relationships, that use particular flavours of possession and objectification as hott touchstones. It can't be that complicated, can it?..Netzach..?

 

[rosco rathbone]

-BridgeBurner, rantiness combined with thinkiness are always welcome (welcome)

Ethical Slut has a good heart and excellent advice in the way of polyamory and selfawareness, yet.. it didn't..speak to me, so soft toned it was. And then I kept thinking "i could write better" if'n i were a Slut or Ethical even.

The last person I told "I love you but, I have a problem with monogamy and I want to see other people", feeling all self-aware and ethical and right thinking, and straight-up in the name of love, gave me a tongue lashing i'll not soon forget. and I still secretly think it panned out that way for the reasons that Netzach listed.

But going back to the Easton book, I'd like to see the version that talks about maneouvering in relationships, that use particular flavours of possession and objectification as hott touchstones. It can't be that complicated, can it?..Netzach..?

I see that, once again, I'm the last one in on the secret information...everyone else has read this book.

The ethical slut is making me feel better about something I've noticed in myself...the idea of being in-love with someone part-time. Romance without the necessity of full-time partnership. I think I'd be happiest with a whole network of girlfriends rather than just one or two or three; and as I am a very non-possesive little man, they'd of course be encouraged to have their own networks. I meet people that I want all of-one weekend every 6 months. Why shouldn't that be as valid as this horrible boyfriend girlfriend marriage thing that makes everything so heavy and miserable.

I could never restrict my mojo to one woman.

 

[rosco rathbone]

I tried to pop the armored bubble of the ass last night and had a weird experience. I got the thing way up in there and nothing happened. It's as if the orgone or armor bubble dissapeared, but I wasn't left with the fireworks I expected--which seemed to be an automatic corollary. Then, today, I feel that the road to the ass is again blocked. Weird, eh?

I wish I could take all my internal organs out and give them a good bodywork massage. I have major Reichean issues internally.

 

[Pure]

//I wish I could take all my internal organs out ...//

I sure some of your critics, including some 'sensitive souls', would be happy to assist!

 

[Netzach]

The ass, like the puss, in my experience is not always the site of sexual fireworks, sometimes more like flickers and murmurs.

Maybe it's me, I don't know, but there's a more subtle ben-wa feel to self-ass-explore than there is to getting a friend to drill you from the back.

I love the concept of the sexual network you came up with....of COURSE it's fucking valid!

I also have to say that the hardest strain on any of the largely functional and cool relationships I've been in is living together, and that I'm always happiest when I see a person on weekends. Why did M and I get an apartment then? I don't regret it, I just sometimes miss my own space with my own stamp on it entirely, even if the stamp is unholy mess, it's MINE.

Moving in together....here be dragons. It's an ongoing struggle for me to live with any human, let alone one that elicits strong feelings.

 

[Pure]

for those naive, like myself, here's the aneros-- apparently a kind manipulable butt plug with a handle:

http://www.tantraattahoe.com/product/aneros.htm

 

[rosco rathbone]

It is manipulable, but you do it via anal contractions not external handle. I am just using it to break down my anal armoring right now, but I hope to scale the heights of prostate/anal orgasm at some point.

 

[bridgeburner]

I love the idea of a network. I haven't had one single best friend since I was in grade school. Why should the romantic ideal be based on such an immature model? You get different things from different things in non-sexual relationships, why should it suddenly be that one person is able to satisfy all your sexual and romantic needs?

That just doesn't make a whole lot of sense. If monogamy works for you, great! But if not, great!

Go and do your thing.