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[rosco rathbone]

Oh, by the way, please empty out your PM box, Netz , so I can send you a PM telling you to please hook up your IM like a civilized person so as to avoid all this PM bullshit.

 

[Pure]

So what's the connection of "tanos" and Jon what's his name.?

 

[rosco rathbone]

So what's the connection of "tanos" and Jon what's his name.?

I am not sure, I'd have to look into it more better. I think that all these internet people wind up knowing one another.

 

[rosco rathbone]

Researching postop transsexuals after hanging out in a chaser bar with a couple o pervey pals recently....an old interest of mine.

I am very interested in that many of them become lesbian after the fact. One wants to say "ok, this is just the ultimate iteration of the new age sensitive feminized man". Not that there's anything wrong with that.

The lesbians are always the really frumpy, homely ones who seem totally lost in the schlubby divide between the sexes.

(There is probably a big scene of Lipstick Lesbian style knockout postops that I am just unhip to----infact, this option actually seems much more perverse than the above)

I love this shit. People who have the balls to go to the maximum extent of body mod are the real hardcore deal.

Anyone have any good postop tranny links? I'd like images of real Pamela Andersson type bimbos.

 

[Netzach]

None of the postops I know are lesbians. Not ONE. Every one I know is dying to try her new plumbing out in the submissive ultrafemme position of bang me fuck me fill me mister.

Not the sexiest crew, but it's not a mod like it is for the performer, you have to remember, it's all about aligning external with internal. Putting on a dress isn't drag or exciting, it's just getting dressed so they tend not to look as fabulous as those for whom it's a fetishized performative thingie.

 

[rosco rathbone]

None of the postops I know are lesbians. Not ONE. Every one I know is dying to try her new plumbing out in the submissive ultrafemme position of bang me fuck me fill me mister.

Not the sexiest crew, but it's not a mod like it is for the performer, you have to remember, it's all about aligning external with internal. Putting on a dress isn't drag or exciting, it's just getting dressed so they tend not to look as fabulous as those for whom it's a fetishized performative thingie.

Maybe if I start hanging around the gblt community center on 13th st I'd meet some of those bang me fuck me fill me mister types.

I don't really like the super fetishy drag types anyway, they seem masculine in their femininity if you know what i mean and i think you do.

 

[Pure]

I heard of many MTF transsexuals becoming lesbian; I think it's a common pattern.

The other pattern I've seen is to become totally straight, vanilla woman, marry, and look utterly respectable (not exactly 'fill me').
Fade in the woodwork, shunning publicity.

I have no idea of proportions. It's also documented in the literature, that some significant proportion of trans post ops do NOT find the sex/gender thing resolved by having a partly new--or new in parts--body. Some spirits are not going to 'fit' any corporeal container.

 

[scooterbum]

tranny

pure wrote:

heard of many MTF transsexuals becoming lesbian; I think it's a common pattern.

If a transsexual opened an transmission repair shop would you call it Trannies Trannies??

 

[rosco rathbone]

I heard of many MTF transsexuals becoming lesbian; I think it's a common pattern.

The other pattern I've seen is to become totally straight, vanilla woman, marry, and look utterly respectable (not exactly 'fill me').
Fade in the woodwork, shunning publicity.

I have no idea of proportions. It's also documented in the literature, that some significant proportion of trans post ops do NOT find the sex/gender thing resolved by having a partly new--or new in parts--body. Some spirits are not going to 'fit' any corporeal container.

The guy they are marrying must be a a little bit bent. I wonder if those "str8 vanilla" (yeah right) marriages have any better divorce rates than standard gay (or straight) marriages.

 

[Pure]

The guy they [MTF TS] are marrying must be a a little bit bent.

I'd think so, though occasionally one [MTF- TS]is really 'convincing' and (to me) feminine and sexy.

Which brings me to another point, speaking of bent. My wild theory, for which I will be pilloried, about the MTF to lesbian path is this:

Despite what the 'birth male' says, about female spirit in a man's body, some part of his spirit/psyche is male. And stays that way, despite the surgery. Picture this new 'female in body' about to be fucked by a male. Mightn't some tiny part of 'her' (formerly him) say, "Whoa, I'm male getting fucked by male; or I'm liking a stiff cock. ... maybe I'm gay!" Not a comforting feeling/thought.

So the only 'solution' to this residual streak or tinge of homophobia, is to go for women.

Ironically, this will be called a 'gay' (lesbian) union, but that won't bother this person.

 

[Netzach]

The guy they [MTF TS] are marrying must be a a little bit bent.

I'd think so, though occasionally one is really 'convincing' and (to me) feminine and sexy.

Which brings me to another point, speaking of bent. My wild theory, for which I will be pilloried, about the MTF to lesbian path is this:

Despite what the 'birth male' says, about female spirit in a man's body, some part of his spirit/psyche is male. And stays that way, despite the surgery. Picture this new 'female in body' about to be fucked by a male. Mightn't some tiny part of 'her' (formerly him) say, "Whoa, I'm male getting fucked by male; or I'm liking a stiff cock. ... maybe I'm gay!" Not a comforting feeling/thought.

So the only 'solution' to this residual streak or tinge of homophobia, is to go for women.

Ironically, this will be called a 'gay' (lesbian) union, but that won't bother this person.

Well, the MTFs I know were gay or gay/leaning bi in their boy days, so that probably colors the outcome.

What you find hot isn't going to shift that much.

Fill me bang me fuck me is not incompatible with marriage or drabness, sorry. Any major metro munch stands to prove that. (doh, I didn't just say that...)

 

[Pure]

//Fill me bang me fuck me is not incompatible with marriage or drabness, sorry. Any major metro munch stands to prove that. (doh, I didn't just say that...)//

I don't disagree. I think it applies to the 'fade into the woodword category' of MTFs. They just want to live happily as female, as women. Incidentaly, I bet you'd find that, like 'born females', often the fucking/filling part is secondary to feeling loved and cared for. Indeed, I've heard the term RR used; 'hyperfeminine'. I.e., very traditional, wanting a 'strong oak.'

 

[bridgeburner]

My mind is drawing a blank on the name right now but I'm sure one or all of you will know who I'm talking about. Famous M2F Jan somebody who climbed Everest as a young man.

Anyway, I remember reading some essay by Jan the Former Man about how he knew a comfort and strength in his birth body that women never know etc etc. All I could think was that he couldn't possibly know whether he would have felt a greater, lesser or equivalent confidence as a female since he wasn't one at the time in question.

Basically I thought he was condescending and ignorant and it made me disinclined to read anything else by him/her since it seemed such a major flaw in thinking.

Regardless of what gender one feels one is most affiliated with, there is no way to undo a life lived as one sex simply by changing the physical and asserting that one has always been psychologically transgendered.

This is not to say that I feel people should not be able to change their gender or mask their gender or explore their sexual identity in any way they choose (nod to consentuality blah blah blah).

In my experience, however, TS --- in either direction --- are NOT the same as people who retain their birth gender. This is not a better or worse thing simply a different thing.

So what am I trying to say?

I suppose nothing more profound than that I am irritated by transexuals who insist that they are exactly the same as those born into their chosen genders. Clearly they are different. Clearly they cannot know what it is like to be born into the gender they choose.

This doesn't invalidate them as individuals and I'm happy to refer to people however they wish to be refered to with some notable exceptions (I will never call my little brother lord and master and king of the universe and I have a hard time thinking of Jan Whosis as a woman).

I find this insistance on the part of many transexuals similar to the mainstreaming of GLBT issues and BDsM issues. Rather than fighting for acceptance of things just the way they are there's this horrible push to sanitize things that ultimately only points out how not mainstream all of these lifestyles are.

My question is why does it matter? The point is not to cover over everything to make it look "normal" but to uncover everything everywhere so that people see that "normal" is only a narrowly defined area that vast numbers of people don't fit into. In which case "normal" isn't particularly valuable because we're all normal.

Except for that guy over there fucking the dead cat. He's clearly nuts.


-B

 

[CharleyH]

Researching postop transsexuals after hanging out in a chaser bar with a couple o pervey pals recently....an old interest of mine.

I am very interested in that many of them become lesbian after the fact.

Only because they still can't stand the mysongyny my friend. Lesbians, afterall - know what a woman wants - unlike - jesus is that Micky D's belly I still see on your AV - be a man for a change!

 

[Pure]

CH: Lesbians, afterall - know what a woman wants

Yeah yeah. Take Pat Califia, for instance. She(he) now has a dick.

VERY hot dirty writer, though.

 

[MissTaken]

Insert sarcastic tone

If lesbians truly knew what I wanted, they would get me a man with a dick.



*end sarcasm*

 

[bridgeburner]

Lesbians, afterall - know what a woman wants

Talk about sexist.

Lesbians occasionally know what other lesbians want. Women occasionally know what other women want. People are often wrong about what other people want.


-B

 

[Netzach]

I love pussy and you know....

Fucked if *I* know what a woman wants!!!!

 

[rosco rathbone]

Anyway, I remember reading some essay by Jan the Former Man about how he knew a comfort and strength in his birth body that women never know etc etc.

This sure seems like grist for the social constructionist theery of gender.

 

[bridgeburner]

I'm hard pressed today to see how it matters whether gender is primarily nature or primarily nurture. Knowing won't suddenly grant ephiphany and world peace and it certainly doesn't settle any arguments for individuals.



-B

 

[rosco rathbone]

Absolutely fascinating Tom-Cruise-in-Magnolia stuff about how to treat women....much dominant mastery in here. Goes to reinforce my long held belief that most men are Masters-in-embryo, ie that Mastery is simply the acme of maleness. In other words, it is only a continuum that seperates the "playa" from the "masta".

Very interesting to see how much of this stuff I have always done as if by instinct. esp "troubleshooting" and "how to deal with girls".

http://www.fastseduction.com/guide/06_Troubleshooting/Miscellaneous/nothingworks.shtml

 

[Netzach]

Another thing I like to use if she is DEFENSIVELY bringing up her boyfriend is "so where is he tonight?" If she doesn't have a good excuse like he is working late because he is a stock trader, I play her into a "he's cheating on you right now" mentality. Chicks can't stand that. PLUS they have to carry this with them from now on. I break down their BELIEF in what their boyfriend TELLS THEM he has to do.


~He's been picked up by a 60 year old in a trenchcoat and he's probably sucking him off right now, why do you ask?

 

[rosco rathbone]

^^^Take it from the mack of the week, kids.

 

[rosco rathbone]

Trying to catch up on a little reading and I am drawn to the window. An asian girl with tight sweatpants and dyed red hair passes below; firm young asscheeks jiggling. I watch her rear until she passes out of sight and then hie me to the ejaculatorium to seek sweet relief yet again. 6 times in 24 hours, I am amazed that I have this much virility left in my withered frame. Tis the power of the oncoming spring "..the force that through the green fuse drives the flower..." in the words of that kindly old drunk Dylan Thomas.

 

[Pure]

bump,

for its imagination and literary value, this thread deserves a look and continued contributions, imo