Tipper for Senator?

[miles]

Jesus. What a fucking zero.

Reminds me of when state law prevented George Wallace from serving as governor more than two (?) terms.

Asshole ran his wife. You can guess the rest.

Tipper Gore. Jesus. H. Christ.

 

[Scruffy]

Jesus. What a fucking zero.

Reminds me of when state law prevented George Wallace from serving as governor more than two (?) terms.

Asshole ran his wife. You can guess the rest.

Tipper Gore. Jesus. H. Christ.

Well, I'm with you on this. Any one who considers voting for this hypocritical bitch should be put in the kennel.

 

[SINthysist]

Didn't Zappa refer to her as a "cultural terrorist?"

She, and Honest Joe Leiberman, and pro-censorship. Further proof that the left is to be more feared than the right .

And when it comes to hypocracy, Hillary has come out and endorsed the woman with no brain in her head as she recently described the woman who would have been first lady if only HER husband could keep his pecker in his pants...

 

[Scruffy]

Didn't Zappa refer to her as a "cultural terrorist?"

She, and Honest Joe Leiberman, and pro-censorship. Further proof that the left is to be more feared than the right .

Yeah, the republicans are real anti-censorship.

Good one.

 

[SINthysist]

That was for Laurel...

 

[Scruffy]

Jeez, has the US come up with a more worthless class of folks then the wives of high ranking democrats?

Where do they find them?

 

[Chuckus]

Tipper for what???? Oh yes, lets bring back the PMRC, pleaaaaaazzzzzzzzzzeeeeeeeee.

Tipper needs to run for office like most Americans need a bullet in their head.

Can they not find someone who is not so full of shit and hypocritical and not the snob bitch queen as much???

I mean hell at least Elizabeth Dole has her own two feet she can stand on and her own views to draw on, not merely those of her husband. For the record, Eliz. Dole will probably make a good Senator.

As for Tipper, she needs to keep the hell out of something she does not belong in. She needs to stick to getting her nails done, getting her hair done and spewing her useless rhetoric like she has done for the past years..............can they not find someone who is at least reasonable worthy of running????

 

[Scruffy]

I mean hell at least Elizabeth Dole has her own two feet she can stand on and her own views to draw on, not merely those of her husband. For the record, Eliz. Dole will probably make a good Senator.

To be fair Tippers crazy pro-censorship agenda doesn't seem to be something Al has anything to do with.

 

[Chuckus]

To be fair Tippers crazy pro-censorship agenda doesn't seem to be something Al has anything to do with.

Well they might be Al's secret agenda

(But in actuality your probably right)

 

[Texan]

Do you think the Democrats will run another Clinton/Gore presidential ticket in 2008.... only this time it will be the Hillary/Tipper ticket?

After all, there's a pretty good chance the Republicans will be running a Powell/Rice ticket in 2008. The Dems will need something to counter the loss of traditionally Democratic voting blocks.

just a thought.

 

[Scruffy]

After all, there's a pretty good chance the Republicans will be running a Powell/Rice ticket in 2008. The Dems will need something to counter the loss of traditionally Democratic voting blocks.

Yup, because black folk are so dumb and their opinions so unformed that they'll vote for any ol' darkie, eh texan?

 

[Chuckus]

Do you think the Democrats will run another Clinton/Gore presidential ticket in 2008.... only this time it will be the Hillary/Tipper ticket?

just a thought.

Well, if it does become reality then I think it will be assured that Bush/Cheney will be in office another 4 years for sure. I just don't see a Tipper/Hillary ticket being that strong to put up any real obstacle to Bush/Cheney.

my .02 cents.

 

[Weird Harold]

After all, there's a pretty good chance the Republicans will be running a Powell/Rice ticket in 2008.

Which "chance" is it that you define as good? Slim or none?

Personally, I'd vote for a Powell/Rice ticket, but I'm in a very distinct minority.

Not to mention that Colin Powell would never accept the nomination -- for the same reasons he declined a VP nomination when it was offered.

A Hillary/Tipper ticket is a pipe dream, too.

I exect that the US will eventually have either a Black President, a woman president, or both -- but not in my lifetime.

Unfortunately, given the current state of equal rights in the US, Jerry Falwell has a better chance of being president than any woman or (other) minority -- and JF's chances of surviving a presidential campaign are nil.

 

[Ice Princess]

I don't think we have to worry about Tipper getting to the Senate, not if she's running in Tennessee. Tennessee isn't likely to elect a woman as senator, and Al isn't popular enough in his home state for her to ride his coattails.

 

[Texan]

Well, if it does become reality then I think it will be assured that Bush/Cheney will be in office another 4 years for sure. I just don't see a Tipper/Hillary ticket being that strong to put up any real obstacle to Bush/Cheney.

my .02 cents.

Chuckus... notice I said "2008". I'm not completely sure Cheney will stay on the ticket in 2004. For health reasons, he might drop out of the next race. If he does, then Rice is a serious possibility for VP running mate. That would put Rice in a perfect position in 2008. Even if it doesn't happen, then Rice would be in a perfect position to run with someone else, and Powell would be the strongest candidate the Republicans have to offer.

scruffy... your comment was offensive to me, but let me try to explain. Blacks have voted as a block (over 90%) for Democratic candidates in national elections, since J.F.K.'s second election in 1964. While blacks represent only 11% of the national voting totals, they are a key voting block in some key areas like NY and California; where a small voting block can swing large numbers of electorial votes one way or the other. I won't begin to characterize WHY blacks vote solidly for Democratic candidates, but it has been a historical fact for 35 years.

Women also represent specific voting trends. Married women vote Republican at a rate of over 75%; while single women vote Democratic at a similar rate.

Many other voting "blocks" also exist; like men and families with incomes over 60K, midwestern labor union members, the religious right, and individuals who have been self-employed for more than 3 years. Believe it or not, even senior citizens compose two separate voting blocks; the group that has grand-children tend to vote Republican while the group that do not have grand-children tend to vote Democrat.

Almost without fail, voting blocks seem to be established by differences in how groups of people view the roll of government. Groups who feel dependent on government for assistance, tend to vote Democratic, while groups who would like to see a smaller government, tend to vote Republican. Big secret, right???

Each party is constantly trying to break-up the voting blocks of the other party while maintaining their own voting blocks.

National elections of the past 12 years have shown an interesting development. Each party has moved to the center in an effort to break-up the blocks of the other party and to gain votes from the growing group of undecided centrist voters. Because the parties have moved to the center, they have left some of their more idealogical voters behind. This caused the emergence of third party candidates like Buchanan and Nader. In the past three elections, it can be argued that the winner of the presidency has won BECAUSE a third party candidate pulled enough voters away from one party's nominee.

I tried to make these statements without political bias, but in truth, I am very opinionated. I am very envolved in Republican Party efforts. I am also a centrist; not because I see it as a viable political strategy, but because my core values are centrist.

scruffy, many people here, know my political leaning. They also know my efforts to be respectful of other people with diametrically opposing views. Twist the meaning of my comments at the peril of your own credibility.

(edited to correct my terrible spelling)

 

[Scruffy]

scruffy... your comment was offensive to me, but let me try to explain. Blacks have voted as a block (over 90%) for Democratic candidates in national elections, since J.F.K.'s second election in 1964. While blacks represent only 11% of the national voting totals, they are a key voting block in some key areas like NY and California; where a small voting block can swing large numbers of electorial votes one way or the other. I won't begin to characterize WHY blacks vote solidly for Democratic candidates, but it has been a historical fact for 35 years.

Women also represent specific voting trends. Married women vote Republican at a rate of over 75%; while single women vote Democratic at a similar rate.

Many other voting "blocks" also exist; like men and families with incomes over 60K, midwestern labor union members, the religious right, and individuals who have been self-employed for more than 3 years. Believe it or not, even senior citizens compose two separate voting blocks; the group that has grand-children tend to vote Republican while the group that do not have grand-children tend to vote Democrat.

Almost without fail, voting blocks seem to be established by differences in how groups of people view the roll of government. Groups who feel dependent on government for assistance, tend to vote Democratic, while groups who would like to see a smaller government, tend to vote Republican. Big secret, right???

Each party is constantly trying to break-up the voting blocks of the other party while maintaining their own voting blocks.

Bullshit, Bullshit, Bullshit. Your statement was offensive to me. I know the idea of voting blocks and I accept it.

What your statement clearly revealed is that you believe that the voting block of Black voters would stop supporting democrats if the republicans ran a Black candidate.

Which is tantamount to saying "The black voting block pays more attention to the colour of the candidates skin then they do to their personal view of what role the government plays in our lives."

It would be insulting(not to mention idiotic) to southerners to say that all southerners would vote for a southerner. It would be insulting to say that about women. It's insulting to say it about black people.

I was reading your comments honestly and as best as I could. To me they said that you put little to no stock in the intelligence of black voters. I could be wrong, but I'm supported by what you wrote.

 

[WriterDom]

It would be insulting(not to mention idiotic) to southerners to say that all southerners would vote for a southerner. It would be insulting to say that about women. It's insulting to say it about black people.

I don't think he's saying all blacks would vote for a black, just that the GOP would do a lot better than the usual 8 or 9%. A shift of a few % points would be huge in swing states. Of course, the Dems would probably counter with a black vp of their own.

Tipper might have a chance in NY. TN? naw.

 

[Texan]

Bullshit, Bullshit, Bullshit. Your statement was offensive to me. I know the idea of voting blocks and I accept it.

What your statement clearly revealed is that you believe that the voting block of Black voters would stop supporting democrats if the republicans ran a Black candidate.

Which is tantamount to saying "The black voting block pays more attention to the colour of the candidates skin then they do to their personal view of what role the government plays in our lives."

It would be insulting(not to mention idiotic) to southerners to say that all southerners would vote for a southerner. It would be insulting to say that about women. It's insulting to say it about black people.

I was reading your comments honestly and as best as I could. To me they said that you put little to no stock in the intelligence of black voters. I could be wrong, but I'm supported by what you wrote.

scruffy... you are wearing your politics on your sleeve.

I did not say that ALL blacks would vote for Powell just because he is back. I said it would break-up the voting block. And if you don't think there are a significant number of blacks who would vote for Powell, for whatever reason, then you are extremely naive.

According to a NY Times article, back in 1995, before Powell had declared himself to be a Republican, polls showed that over 90% of black voters would vote for Powell if he were to run for president. According to a "Draft Powell 2000" website, over 50% of black voters said they would vote for Powell for president even if he were to run as a Republican.

Now, maybe some black voters would vote for Powell because he is black, or maybe they would vote for him because they believe he would understand and support "black issues". In either case, Powell on a Republican ticket, would definately break-up the black voting block. If you can't see that, I can't help you.

 

[Scruffy]

scruffy... you are wearing your politics on your sleeve.

I did not say that ALL blacks would vote for Powell just because he is back. I said it would break-up the voting block. And if you don't think there are a significant number of blacks who would vote for Powell, for whatever reason, then you are extremely naive.

Now, maybe some black voters would vote for Powell because he is black, or maybe they would vote for him because they believe he would understand and support "black issues". In either case, Powell on a Republican ticket, would definately break-up the black voting block. If you can't see that, I can't help you.

Whatever. I don't mind saying I over-reacted but Texan, you didn't say "break up the voting block" you said "lose"

So you can see where I might have been confused.

 

[bored1]

Jesus. What a fucking zero.

Reminds me of when state law prevented George Wallace from serving as governor more than two (?) terms.

Asshole ran his wife. You can guess the rest.

Tipper Gore. Jesus. H. Christ.

Couldnt agree more.......This women is about as qualified to be a Senator as Iam to be a brain surgeon....... Whats next? Chelsea runs for Congress from New York?

 

[Chuckus]

Chuckus... notice I said "2008". I'm not completely sure Cheney will stay on the ticket in 2004. For health reasons, he might drop out of the next race. If he does, then Rice is a serious possibility for VP running mate. That would put Rice in a perfect position in 2008. Even if it doesn't happen, then Rice would be in a perfect position to run with someone else, and Powell would be the strongest candidate the Republicans have to offer.


(edited to correct my terrible spelling)

I did not notice the "2008" note but either way it makes no sense to me for Tipper/Hillary ticket then either. It would be a cold day in hell if those two were to be candidates (actual candidates not just "supposed candidates") for President and VP. If by some mere chance they were to succeed in their bid for the White House, I would move to Canada until their term were over.

As for Powell, I would love to see him run. Though I doubt we would ever see that as he has previously said he would not. I think he would be a good candidate and would be a good choice, thus far from what I see of the man.

I am not and will not get into any of the other brew-ha ha going on in this thread.

 

[Hunter04]

2008 election

Hillary Vs. Giuliani part 2.

 

[lavender]

 

[kotori]

It was the Senate, Lav

I hope Tipper decides to run. She will be running against Lamar Alexander.

The Republicans will NEVER put together a Powell/ Rice ticket. Powell wouldn't run, for starters. Secondly, the Republicans are effectively shutting him out of this administration. Can't you see the signs that the man is incredibly disenchanted? It should be Powell, not Zinni, dealing with the situation in the Middle East right now. The fact that he is not over there and Zinni and Cheney are running the show, with Rumsfeld back in Washington is very telling.

But as of an hour-and-a-half ago, she decided against it. See here. I think you are so right about Powell and how the Repbulicans are treating him (i.e., like so much window dressing). And a Powell/Rice ticket? In what century?

 

[lavender]