Those IMPLAUSIBLE & IMPOSSIBLE cellphone calls

[Byron In Exile]

that's against Lit rules, and you as a moderator should know that. Most forums won't allow somebody to post an image (1 pixel in size) just to run tracert on who is downloading the image (an easy method to see who is downloading and seeing your posts). Somebody got in trouble for that before.

You can do that here. But I'll save you the trouble, since you're obviously nervous about it. Pookie's IP is 198.81.129.186. Hack at your leisure.

It is easy to find IP addresses, but they don't mean much these days. Not with proxy servers, and software like netsukuku and kismet (runs on Linux) which allows the use of other people's internet connections by hacking their wireless modems. Then on top of that, there's Tor and it's variants which allows setting up of networks of computers into proxies to add layers of other connections.

Well, it's been a long, long time since I had to trouble with those sorts of things. You can't connect to any site on the internet, except perhaps your own gateway, and not have your packets handled by a router that the NSA can monitor. As a top-level government shill, we can get daily abstracts outlining your activities, and details if we request them.

 

[Byron In Exile]

My IP address is embedded in chips in my nipples. It was the only way I could get the Government health plan to pay for my nipple enlargements.

You got those vibrating nipple implants with the wireless internet connection? One of the secretaries said she had a five-minute orgasm from those because some guy flood-pinged her.

 

[Veryknowing]

It's obviosu thaton this thread, the US govt trolls lost the debate.

They're trying their best to distract on another subject and avoid the topic of the cellphone calls because the calls were impossible.

Back in 2001, everyone I knew also knew this, and didn't believe those calls were real.

What's changed? NOTHING. The cellphone calls are still impossible without some kind of relay station beingput onboard the plane. They didn't have the technology to do this back in in 2001, because it didn't exist until 2004.

 

[Pookie]

You got those vibrating nipple implants with the wireless internet connection? One of the secretaries said she had a five-minute orgasm from those because some guy flood-pinged her.

I'm just waiting for someone to hack me.

 

[Veryknowing]

A lot of reality were impossible and still exist today. The it was impossible and the what happened couldn't happen doesn't hold any legitimacy. Sorry to bust your bubble of denial.

Must be that you're a believer in magical days and magical arabs.

Sorry to bust your delusions, but some things are simply impossible.

 

[Fagin]

Must be that you're a believer in magical days and magical arabs.

Sorry to bust your delusions, but some things are simply impossible.

I perfer to believe in reality. Someday you should try it.

 

[Gringao]

I perfer to believe in reality. Someday you should try it.

I have found video of these magical Arabs.

LINK

 

[Pyro Paul]

when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.
Conan Doyle

how ever improbable that the phone calls that where made where real, that doesn't make it any less probable of acctually being real. as questionable as that may seam.

 

[Byron In Exile]

I'm just waiting for someone to hack me.

Are you on IPv6? I might have to do some preliminary probes first...

 

[NothingHitMe]

It's obvious that on this thread, the US govt trolls lost the debate.

They're trying their best to distract on another subject and avoid the topic of the cellphone calls because the calls were impossible.

Back in 2001, everyone I knew also knew this, and didn't believe those calls were real.

What's changed? NOTHING. The cellphone calls are still impossible without some kind of relay station beingput onboard the plane. They didn't have the technology to do this back in in 2001, because it didn't exist until 2004.

Yeah, can see that they can't stick to the subject because they lost it.

They're like little little kids, with tiny short attention spans. Whenever they lose a debate, they either run away or try to change the subject.

 

[phrodeau]

Funny that back in 1999 people knew differently.

 

[Lovelynice]

Yeah, can see that they can't stick to the subject because they lost it.

They're like little little kids, with tiny short attention spans. Whenever they lose a debate, they either run away or try to change the subject.

It's only because they attempt to change the subject whenever they're losing. That's the only reason

 

[Lovelynice]

when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.
Conan Doyle

It's impossible to make a successful cellphone call from a metal-skinned passenger jet flying six miles up at over 450mph (to do so requires an onboard cellular basestation; technology which didn't exist prior to 2004, and is still rare)

Impossible cellphone calls = US government lied and FAKED the cellphone calls

 

[mack_the_knife]

...FAKED? as they obviously were...

ANSWER;
Between 31,000 and 35,000 feet.

Too high up to make successful cellphone calls,and flying too fast to maintain any connection for more than a few seconds...which doesn't matter because five to six miles up, making a successful cellphone is IMPOSSIBLE anyway.

Cellular antenna towers don't aim at the SKY moron, they aim to cover the people on the GROUND!

Um...those buildings were NOT 30,000+ feet tall, the planes hit them flying more or less level, not power diving. They cruised at under 1000 feet for some period of time. Range was not an issue for cell calls. Try again.

Yeah, computers which can perform millions of calculations per second would have such a hard time handing off the cells at a whopping 500mph. Has anyone performed a practical test and cruised a small plane at a thousand feet over an urban center to see if they get coverage (I recommend letting the FFA know what you're up to, though, might get your ass shot down).

 

[Fat_lot_of_good]

So who were all of those wives, husbands, operators, etc. talking to that morning?

Considering that cellphone calls aren't possible from a passenger plane at cruising altitude and can't last longer than about 3-8 seconds from a vehicle moving at tyical 757/756 flight speeds (730kmh or higher), it doesn't matter. The calls could only be faked. Not the first time for faked phone calls to people.

Faking voices is easy
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/dotmil/arkin020199.htm

Close relatives have been conned by fakes before
http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/features/archive/news/2005/06/20050608p2g00m0fe008000c.html

You can go here and fake one side of a phone conversation
www.ebaumsworld.com

The cellphone calls were fake and everyone knows it, but I bet that won't stop the US govt or their trolls/plants attempting to con everyone regardless.

 

[Fat_lot_of_good]

Um...those buildings were NOT 30,000+ feet tall,

But the fake cellphone calls began while the aircraft were at 31,000 to 35,000ft.

One of those FAKE CELLPHONE CALLS lasted 25 minutes. You have got to be a fool to believe that's possible.

But a troll/plant like YOU would attempt to convince everyone regardless.

We have, of course many "shills" on this site promoting and defendling the Official Lies, the utterly BS story which doesn't work because it requires IMPOSSIBLE things to occur as if by MAGIC.

Maybe you have noticed the same things as these other people have;

I live in San Diego and about 2yrs. ago Microsoft had an XP SP3 update hoopla at the convention center. People from around the world were here, but this one guy I meet when we went out one night had the endless credit card, bought all our drinks and food and we all had a great time. Well as the night went on he was getting wasted of course and let the cat out of the bag, this dude said he was from Virginia and he and 100+ others were full time internet devils advocate for the govt. and they were to go to all of the forums and message sites. There job was to be pro govt. belittle any who countered the argument of the govt. being wrong, there would be at any one time from 1-12 people against one person debating any subject. They would according to him just rip people to shreds in the forums, then it hit me all at once why I could never come up with a good counter argument sometimes when I talked to individuals in the forums, it was because of these people were working in groups against us. I played dumb to this guy, (Karma will get him) and never really said anything on this subject, but trust me on this that they are out there and this does go on. I just want to someday kick there ass on dslreports.com, you will find them there in the forums, it’s pretty obvious who they are.
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Since 2001, I’ve noticed that the Independent Media Center network has been inundated by Trolls/Plants, and several of them appear on different sites, under different “names”. It’s interesting to note their consistent Tactics of Disinformation, and the issues they usually deal with - Bush/PNAC’s close relationship to the Zionist Extremists in Israel, 911 As False Flag, and anything to do with an ongoing military push or economic summit.

Several sites were hacked at the outbreak of the invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan, and the Israeli push into Lebanon.

While researching the subject, you may wish to contact the Administrators of some of the IMC’s and get their opinion.

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I have been noticing for years, information officers, spamming discussion boards… you recognize them.. when they spew out the party line.. the talking points…. when you engage them, ask them if they are on the government payroll… if they so no…. tell them to apply for a job with Cheney/Rumsfeld/Bush/Rice/Rove who are looking for unconscionable men like them! to spew out the lies, misinformation, misrepresentation, distortion, treachery, equivocation, prevarication calumny and lies..


I'm sure it's easy to pick who they are on this site.


Unfortunately, despite their LIES, all these CELLPHONE CALLS from the planes on 9-11 were fake because they're impossible;

Too many of their alts on this site. One reason I rarely bother to visit anymore. Lit is going downhill because of them.

 

[NothingHitMe]

It's obvious thaton this thread, the US govt trolls lost the debate.

They're trying their best to distract on another subject and avoid the topic of the cellphone calls because the calls were impossible.

Back in 2001, everyone I knew also knew this, and didn't believe those calls were real.

What's changed? NOTHING. The cellphone calls are still impossible without some kind of relay station being put onboard the plane. They didn't have the technology to do this back in in 2001, because it didn't exist until 2004.

They ran away again.

They must be getting sick of having their lies shot down all the time.

 

[Lovelynice]

when they can't win a debate, the SHILLS run away

 

[Lovelynice]

Considering that cellphone calls aren't possible from a passenger plane at cruising altitude and can't last longer than about 3-8 seconds from a vehicle moving at tyical 757/756 flight speeds (730kmh or higher), it doesn't matter. The calls could only be faked. Not the first time for faked phone calls to people.

Faking voices is easy
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/dotmil/arkin020199.htm

Close relatives have been conned by fakes before
http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/features/archive/news/2005/06/20050608p2g00m0fe008000c.html

You can go here and fake one side of a phone conversation
www.ebaumsworld.com


The cellphone calls were fake and everyone knows it, but I bet that won't stop the US govt or their trolls/plants attempting to con everyone regardless.

here's an excerpt from that 1999 Washingtom Post article;

When Seeing and Hearing Isn't Believing
By William M. Arkin
Special to washingtonpost.com
Monday, Feb. 1, 1999

"Gentlemen! We have called you together to inform you that we are going to overthrow the United States government." So begins a statement being delivered by Gen. Carl W. Steiner, former Commander-in-chief, U.S. Special Operations Command.

At least the voice sounds amazingly like him.

But it is not Steiner. It is the result of voice "morphing" technology developed at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico.

By taking just a 10-minute digital recording of Steiner's voice, scientist George Papcun is able, in near real time, to clone speech patterns and develop an accurate facsimile. Steiner was so impressed, he asked for a copy of the tape.

Steiner was hardly the first or last victim to be spoofed by Papcun's team members. To refine their method, they took various high quality recordings of generals and experimented with creating fake statements. One of the most memorable is Colin Powell stating "I am being treated well by my captors."

"They chose to have him say something he would never otherwise have said," chuckled one of Papcun's colleagues.

A Box of Chocolates is Like War
Most Americans were introduced to the tricks of the digital age in the movie Forrest Gump, when the character played by Tom Hanks appeared to shake hands with President Kennedy.

For Hollywood, it is special effects. For covert operators in the U.S. military and intelligence agencies, it is a weapon of the future.

"Once you can take any kind of information and reduce it into ones and zeros, you can do some pretty interesting things," says Daniel T. Kuehl, chairman of the Information Operations department of the National Defense University in Washington, the military's school for information warfare.

PSYOPS seeks to exploit human vulnerabilities in enemy governments, militaries and populations.
Digital morphing — voice, video, and photo — has come of age, available for use in psychological operations. PSYOPS, as the military calls it, seek to exploit human vulnerabilities in enemy governments, militaries and populations to pursue national and battlefield objectives.

To some, PSYOPS is a backwater military discipline of leaflet dropping and radio propaganda. To a growing group of information war technologists, it is the nexus of fantasy and reality. Being able to manufacture convincing audio or video, they say, might be the difference in a successful military operation or coup.

Allah on the Holodeck
Pentagon planners started to discuss digital morphing after Iraq's invasion of Kuwait in 1990. Covert operators kicked around the idea of creating a computer-faked videotape of Saddam Hussein crying or showing other such manly weaknesses, or in some sexually compromising situation. The nascent plan was for the tapes to be flooded into Iraq and the Arab world.

The tape war never proceeded, killed, participants say, by bureaucratic fights over jurisdiction, skepticism over the technology, and concerns raised by Arab coalition partners.

What if the U.S. projected a holographic image of Allah floating over Baghdad?
But the "strategic" PSYOPS scheming didn't die. What if the U.S. projected a holographic image of Allah floating over Baghdad urging the Iraqi people and Army to rise up against Saddam, a senior Air Force officer asked in 1990?

According to a military physicist given the task of looking into the hologram idea, the feasibility had been established of projecting large, three-dimensional objects that appeared to float in the air.

But doing so over the skies of Iraq? To project such a hologram over Baghdad on the order of several hundred feet, they calculated, would take a mirror more than a mile square in space, as well as huge projectors and power sources.

And besides, investigators came back, what does Allah look like?

The Gulf War hologram story might be dismissed were it not the case that washingtonpost.com has learned that a super secret program was established in 1994 to pursue the very technology for PSYOPS application. The "Holographic Projector" is described in a classified Air Force document as a system to "project information power from space ... for special operations deception missions."

War is Like a Box of Chocolates
Voice-morphing? Fake video? Holographic projection? They sound more like Mission Impossible and Star Trek gimmicks than weapons. Yet for each, there are corresponding and growing research efforts as the technologies improve and offensive information warfare expands.

Whereas early voice morphing required cutting and pasting speech to put letters or words together to make a composite, Papcun's software developed at Los Alamos can far more accurately replicate the way one actually speaks. Eliminated are the robotic intonations.

The irony is that after Papcun finished his speech cloning research, there were no takers in the military. Luckily for him, Hollywood is interested: The promise of creating a virtual Clark Gable is mightier than the sword.

Video and photo manipulation has already raised profound questions of authenticity for the journalistic world. With audio joining the mix, it is not only journalists but also privacy advocates and the conspiracy-minded who will no doubt ponder the worrisome mischief that lurks in the not too distant future.

"We already know that seeing isn't necessarily believing," says Dan Kuehl, "now I guess hearing isn't either."

 

[phrodeau]

when they can't win a debate, the SHILLS run away

You're kidding, right?

Fat_lot_of_good hasn't posted since 8/8. NothingHitMe hasn't posted since 8/8. ImpWizard hasn't posted since 9/3.

I think that they have all acknowledged that they lost their arguments. You're the only one left now.

 

[Lovelynice]

You're kidding, right?.

No, you might be.

You only posted because I'm here.

 

[Lovelynice]

and the others are busy on other sites which have shills that are more entertaining then here.

I only popped in for a break. The shills (like you) on this site are really bottom of the barrel. You're a very disappointing group.

 

[Lappdog]

I have a question on this matter - and keep in mind that I haven't read all of the posts (or any of them for that matter) in this thread - so, sorry if it's been addressed.

I travel a lot by air. At least two times that I recall in the last 4-5 years, a fellow passenger has received a cell phone call in flight. Of course they panic and answer them quickly because they were not supposed to leave them on and don't want bitch-slapped by some airline attendent.

If it is possible to recieve cell calls whilst cruising at full altitude and speed, why is it not possible to make calls?

Just curious.

Lapp

 

[Gringao]

No, you might be.

You only posted because I'm here.

Who was piloting the planes, LN?

 

[phrodeau]

I wonder whom I'm shilling for, if all I've done is point out the flaws in people's arguments. I suppose that makes me a shill for Socrates.