Those IMPLAUSIBLE & IMPOSSIBLE cellphone calls

[phrodeau]

You misrepresented what your quoted "expert" stated.

Mr Sheehan didn't state anything about the altitude of the planes, the tyoe of planes, the size of the planes, or whether any of those planes were passenger jets flying 5-6 miles up at 500mph.

Because of this, your article is worthless. It proved nothing except the possibility that some people used cellphones on small private planes and corporate jets at lower altitude, yet all other quoted experts, experiments, and media reports run counter to what you are claiming.

You have a problem with that, then find a better article and read it in full next time.

Please show me exactly where I misrepresented anything in that article.

 

[NothingHitMe]

It's already been shown, so whoopeydoo to you.

Mr Sheehan didn't state anything about the altitude of the planes, the type of planes, the size of the planes, or whether any of those planes were passenger jets flying 5-6 miles up at 500mph.

Because of this, your article is worthless. It proved nothing except the possibility that some people used cellphones on small private planes and corporate jets at lower altitude, yet all other quoted experts, experiments, and media reports run counter to what you are claiming.

 

[Lovelynice]

Thanks NHM

 

[NothingHitMe]

Thanks NHM

You're welcome m'lady

I've been looking into news about US govt shills, I'm sure we can find more.

HERE'S AN ARTICLE ABOUT GOVERNMENT SHILLS PAID TO POST ON MESSAGE BOARDS
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12060.htm

Intentionally planted LIES in the news

Rumsfeld confirms his dedication to propaganda by defending the bogus stories that were printed in Iraqi newspapers by Pentagon contractors. (We) “sought non-traditional means to provide accurate information to the Iraqi people in the face of an aggressive campaign of disinformation….This has been deemed inappropriate—for examples the allegations of ‘buying news’”.

Employing shills to post on message boards.

The War Department is planning to insert itself into every area of the Internet from blogs to chat rooms, from leftist web sites to editorial commentary. Their rapid response team will be on hair-trigger alert to dispute any tidbit of information that challenges the official storyline.

 

[Lovelynice]

The shills on this site didn't like anyone reading that post did they?

 

[Lovelynice]

HURRY UP AND ANSWER THIS BECAUSE IT IS NOT GOING AWAY, SHILLS.

EVERY OTHER OCCASSION both before and since Sept 11 2001, when steel & concrete buildings collapsed down at near free fall speed into their footprint, it has been due to a controlled demolition.

Can you cite a single exception to this?

With a photo.

 

[Gringao]

South Tower: How long to fall?

 

[Pookie]

South Tower: How long to fall?

You'll take that in seconds, right?

 

[Gringao]

You'll take that in seconds, right?

If LN wants to express it in a fraction of a millenium, I'm happy.

 

[phrodeau]

HURRY UP AND ANSWER THIS BECAUSE IT IS NOT GOING AWAY, SHILLS.

EVERY OTHER OCCASSION both before and since Sept 11 2001, when steel & concrete buildings collapsed down at near free fall speed into their footprint, it has been due to a controlled demolition.

Can you cite a single exception to this?

With a photo.

Caps Lock is not your friend.

The WTC was steel only, with no structural concrete.

The WTC did not collapse at free fall speed.

The WTC did not fall entirely within its "footprint".

See how convincing lower case letters can be?

 

[Gringao]

The WTC was steel only, with no structural concrete.

The WTC did not collapse at free fall speed.

The WTC did not fall entirely within its "footprint".

I think that pretty much sums it up, unless LN has another C&P to post.

 

[Lovelynice]

The WTC was steel only, with no structural concrete.

PROVE IT, provide links and graphic of the plans showing there was not structural concrete in the steel & concrete core.

The WTC did not collapse at free fall speed.

Typical shill us of a strawman argument, trying to pretend that I said something which I did not. I didn't say it did go down at exactly freefall, and neither has any other 9/11 sceptic on this thread or any of the other 9/11 related threads that I have posted.

The WTC collapsed at close to freefall speed, but in the videos it's easy to lines of explosions taking out the floors in an obvious controlled demolition, before the debris has time to reach those floors. The seismic data with the tremors SHORTER than the collapse times also supports the hundreds of witnesses to the obvious controlled demolitions.

The WTC did not fall entirely within its "footprint".

Yes, WTC 7 did collapse within it's own footprint, as the photo posted by Acanthus clearly shows (thanks Acanthus for shooting your shill excuses in the foot).

WTC 1 and WTC 2 also did the IMPOSSIBLE and collapsed straight down through their own structure. This has NEVER HAPPENED IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF STEEL-FRAMED/STEEL&CONCRETE TOWER BUILDINGS. If you claim otherwise, please cite an event before or after 9/11 when it has happened... with photos proving it.

 

[Songcatcher]

Yes.

Could you sum it up?

 

[Lovelynice]

The technology has not changed since 9-11, just the size of the phones and their computing power. The basics are the same.

Yes, without a cellular basestation onboard the plane(a technology not around prior to 2004, so you're wrong about the technology not changing), it's IMPOSSIBLE to make a successful cellphone call from a passenger plane flying six miles up at over 450mph, and it's also IMPOSSIBLE to make a cellphone call last longer than a few seconds when flying at low altitiude as well because there is not enough time for the handshake and handoff to pass the call onto the next "cell" of a cellular network. This can proven mathematically, and it has been supported by scientific experiments and cited experts (as you know I have cited experts agreeing with the fact that it is IMPOSSIBLE).

You, and none of the other shills pushing the Official Lies has ever been able to successfully counter this FACT.

 

[Pookie]

South Tower: How long to fall?

*bomb* .... errr ... *bump*

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Ahm still being quoted?

I feel like a windmill...

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

PS - the calls weren't made from six miles up...

 

[Lovelynice]

PS - the calls weren't made from six miles up...

PROVE IT.

I know you love to keep recycling the same lies, so lets see your links and quotes to back your bullshit.

Let's repeat this since the shills have trouble responding with any facts to deny it;

CELLPHONE CALLS ARE IMPOSSIBLE FROM SIX MILES UP IN A PASSENGER JET FLYING AT OVER 450MPH....

and what height were the planes at when the first of the FAKE cellphone calls were made?

Between 31,000 and 35,000 feet.

United Airlines Flight 175
United Airlines Flight 175 departed for Los Angeles at 8:00:

"It pushed back from its gate at 7:58 and departed Logan Airport at 8:14."

The Report confirms that by 8:33, "it had reached its assigned cruising altitude of 31,000 feet." According to the Report, it maintained this cruising altitude until 8.51, when it "deviated from its assigned altitude":

"The first operational evidence that something was abnormal on United 175 came at 8:47, when the aircraft changed beacon codes twice within a minute. At 8:51, the flight deviated from its assigned altitude, and a minute later New York air traffic controllers began repeatedly and unsuccessfully trying to contact it."

And one minute later at 8.52, Lee Hanson receives a call from his son Peter.

[Flight UAL 175] "At 8:52, in Easton, Connecticut, a man named Lee Hanson received a phone call from his son Peter, a passenger on United 175. His son told him: “I think they’ve taken over the cockpit—An attendant has been stabbed— and someone else up front may have been killed. The plane is making strange moves. Call United Airlines—Tell them it’s Flight 175, Boston to LA.

Press reports confirm that Peter Hanson was using his cellphone. Unless the plane had suddenly nose-dived, the plane was still at high altitude at 8.52. (Moreover, Hanson's call could have been initiated at least a minute prior to his father Lee Hanson picking up the phone.)

United Airlines Flight 93
According to the 9-11 Commission's account:

"the first 46 minutes of Flight 93’s cross-country trip proceeded routinely. Radio communications from the plane were normal. Heading, speed, and altitude ran according to plan. At 9:24, Ballinger’s warning to United 93 was received in the cockpit. Within two minutes, at 9:26, the pilot, Jason Dahl, responded with a note of puzzlement: “Ed, confirm latest mssg plz—Jason.”70 The hijackers attacked at 9:28. While traveling 35,000 feet above eastern Ohio, United 93 suddenly dropped 700 feet. Eleven seconds into the descent, the FAA’s air traffic control center in Cleveland received the first of two radio transmissions from the aircraft...."

The Report claims that passengers started placing calls with cell and air phones shortly after 9.32am, four minutes after the Report's confirmation of the plane's attitude of 35,000 feet. In other words, the calls started some 9 minutes before the Cleveland Center lost UAL 93’s transponder signal (9.41) and approximately 30 minutes before the crash in Pennsylvania (10.03)

There was no indication from the Report that the aircraft had swooped down to a lower level of altitude, apart from the 700 feet drop recorded at 9.28. from a cruising altitude of 35,000 feet. Shortly after the alleged hijacking commences, the passengers and flight crew allegedly began a series of calls from GTE airphones and cellular phones.

The alleged call (strangely not mentioned in the Report) by Edward Felt from the toilet of the aircraft of UAL 93 was answered by Glenn Cramer, the emergency supervisor in Pennsylvania who took the call.

"Local emergency officials said they received a cell phone call at 9.58 am from a man who said he was a passenger aboard the flight. The man said he had locked himself in the bathroom and told emergency dispatchers that the plane had been hijacked. "We are being hijacked! We are being hijacked!" he was quoted as saying.

Glenn Cramer, the emergency supervisor who answered it, said on the day: "He was very distraught. He said he believed the plane was going down.

"He did hear some sort of an explosion and saw white smoke coming from the plane, but he didn't know where. And then we lost contact with him." Glenn Cramer has now been gagged by the FBI.
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/news/s_90401.html

Well, since I did answer your question and you have not brought up ANYTHING to prove the answer otherwise, and it's obvious that the CELLPHONE calls were FAKE, then I guess that I win, huh?

You shills are so useless.

You can't even defend your own bullshit "Arabs did it" story without having to resort to posting nonsense without any facts.

The Official 9/11 Lie is dying in the light of harsh reality and the unbending laws of physics.

Simple logic;
Impossible to make cellphone calls = faked cellphone calls = the US government LIED.

By all means, keeping pretending otherwise, use as many alts as you like, but your defence of the Official LIES is a failure.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/march2006/240306poll1.jpg

 

[Pookie]

PS - the calls weren't made from six miles up...

Back off, man. She knows real life spies.

 

[Lovelynice]

Back off, man. She knows real life spies.

and how do you know I don't?

The only reason that I don't go posting your IP address is because it's probably as meaningless for telling where you are as mine is meaningless for telling my location. The wonders of modern technology.

 

[Pookie]

and how do you know I don't?

The only reason that I don't go posting your IP address is because it's probably as meaningless for telling where you are as mine is meaningless for telling my location. The wonders of modern technology.

Ooooooooooo. You're hinting at threatening to post my IP address. The Pentagon is not going to be happy about this. No, they're not.

I've almost been threatened on the internet. What ever will I do?

 

[Byron In Exile]

and how do you know I don't?

The only reason that I don't go posting your IP address is because it's probably as meaningless for telling where you are as mine is meaningless for telling my location. The wonders of modern technology.

Pookie's IP address reveals her exact location, and anyone who knows her position in the intelligence community, or has any contact with real spies, knows this.

The only way you're going to redeem yourself now is to post her IP address.

 

[phrodeau]

(edited)
The WTC collapsed at close to freefall speed, but in the videos it's easy to lines of explosions taking out the floors in an obvious controlled demolition, before the debris has time to reach those floors. The seismic data with the tremors SHORTER than the collapse times also supports the hundreds of witnesses to the obvious controlled demolitions.

Yes, WTC 7 did collapse within it's own footprint, as the photo posted by Acanthus clearly shows (thanks Acanthus for shooting your shill excuses in the foot).

Do you have photos to support this new assertion - that there are lines of explosions taking out the floors of WTC7?

I would like to see those, please.

 

[ImpWizard]

Pookie's IP address reveals her exact location, and anyone who knows her position in the intelligence community, or has any contact with real spies, knows this.

The only way you're going to redeem yourself now is to post her IP address.

that's against Lit rules, and you as a moderator should know that. Most forums won't allow somebody to post an image (1 pixel in size) just to run tracert on who is downloading the image (an easy method to see who is downloading and seeing your posts). Somebody got in trouble for that before.

It is easy to find IP addresses, but they don't mean much these days. Not with proxy servers, and software like netsukuku and kismet (runs on Linux) which allows the use of other people's internet connections by hacking their wireless modems. Then on top of that, there's Tor and it's variants which allows setting up of networks of computers into proxies to add layers of other connections.

 

[ImpWizard]

Do you have photos to support this new assertion - that there are lines of explosions taking out the floors of WTC7?

I would like to see those, please.

Just noticed your strawman argument there, Lovelynice doesn't say that about WTC 7, she says it about the WTC towers. Drop the crap.

You should check her sig if you want to see the WTC tower explosions going off in long neat lines florr-by-floor (or watch Loose Change), it's in Lovelynice's sig under Boom-boom-boom, there's a few video downloads on that page near the top. You can look anytime. You probably have seen them already. I doubt that you'll look. This is just one of your excuses