This was the day of infamy when...

[Boxlicker101]

the US DOJ decided to declare war on those citizens who had the temerity to disagree with them:

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ruby-ri...210148490.html

The Branch Davidian fiasco followed. There may have been some fault beside that of the government for both incidents, but not much. I believe no government employee ever spent a minute in prison for either one. The men, women and children of the Branch Davidians were all massacred, so none of them were ever arrested either.

 

[amicus]

The link doesn't work, Box....Branch Davidian was a long time ago, many here won't recall.

Closer in time is the Governments kidnapping almolst 400 FLDS children in Texas and holding them for weeks away from their parents. unconsionable!

I want this government gone, dead and buried, asap.

Amicus

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

August 20, 2012

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/2...forgiveness/uxiANKt8IC5Oo9nGukUoCP/story.html

When Sara Weaver saw her father Randy struck in the shoulder by a government sniper’s bullet in the Idaho wilderness in August 1992,
she began to sprint back to the family’s cabin on a mountaintop called Ruby Ridge.

As the 16-year-old closed in, her mother, Vicki, opened the cabin door and stood behind it, holding Sara Weaver’s 10-month-old sister
in her arms. Just then, a sniper’s bullet struck her mother in the head, killing her.

Sara Weaver said Randy Weaver does not do interviews and would not release a statement on the anniversary.

No one really knows what happened at Ruby Ridge, except for the people who were there. The dead cannot speak to us.

 

[KRCummings]

The men, women and children of the Branch Dravidians were all massacred, so none of them were ever arrested either.

You sure about that?

 

[Bert Notorius]

Janet Reno was sentenced to be Janet Reno.

 

[Boxlicker101]

You sure about that?

Okay, I exaggerated. A few of the branch Davidians were captured and tried. Some were acquitted and some were convicted.

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

Things sure look different, when you live a long time- Aug. 20, 1992

http://articles.latimes.com/1997/dec/17/news/mn-64950/2

"Boundary County prosecutor Denise Woodbury said she had expected to call several of Horiuchi's fellow agents to testify,
but the Justice Department refused to voluntarily supply them."

"he [Horiuchi] admitted he fired the fatal shot, but said he was aiming at Harris and never saw Vicki Weaver."

Lon Horiuchi had to shoot through Vicki's head in order to shoot Kevin Harris in the chest.

Vicki spoiled Horiuchi's shot- he had missed shooting Harris in the heart.

Vicki Weaver was standing at the door to let them into the house-

In emotionally wrenching testimony that recalled the panic inside the tiny cabin, Sara Weaver on Tuesday said her mother
was standing at the door clutching her baby daughter, Alisheba, and urging the family to run back inside, moments after
Randy Weaver had been shot in the shoulder near a shed outside.

Sara Weaver, 16 years old at the time, testified that she heard the fatal shot break through the glass on the cabin door
as she ran inside past her mother, with family friend Kevin Harris and her father in quick pursuit.

Horiuchi, a veteran of the FBI's hostage rescue team, sat silently in the courtroom as Weaver and his daughter
recounted the day that Vicki Weaver was shot.


Biography Channel’s “Aftermath with William Shatner” with Sara Weaver-Balter, eldest daughter of Randy Weaver

Randy Weaver was placed in a Boise county jail to await trial. Sara and her two sisters, Elisheba, the baby who was in Vicki’s arms
when FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi’s gunshot killed her, and Rachel, went to Iowa to live with relatives.

Defended by a high-profile Wyoming attorney Gerry Spence, who convinced the jury of gross misconduct by federal law enforcement officials,
the then-45-year-old Randy Weaver was acquitted of the more serious criminal charges against him, but did do prison time for a pair of minor
charges of which he was found guilty. A civil lawsuit filed by Spence resulted in the Weavers receiving $3.1 million from the federal government.

Sara Weaver, all grown up-
September 22, 2010

I had a revelation of how much God loved me, and Jesus forgave me of my own sin. That was freedom. How could I not forgive others? I also
realized that the agents that did the shooting could be living in much greater pain than I, having taken another human life.

A dead wife, a dead son, dead pets, a dead life, all because a man refused to spy and squeal on his neighbors ?


U.S. to Pay $3.1 Million for '92 Idaho Shootout : Court: Settlement in Weaver case reflects loss of mother, son
in Ruby Ridge incident. But wrongdoing is denied.

August 16, 1995

Justice Department officials said the settlement had no relationship to Senate hearings on the Ruby Ridge action, set to begin in three weeks,
or to a federal criminal inquiry into whether five now-suspended FBI officials participated in a cover-up to protect themselves from blame over
the killing of Weaver's wife, Vicki.

http://articles.latimes.com/1995-08-16/news/mn-35756_1_ruby-ridge

 

[Boxlicker101]

Of course they covered up the truth, as much as they could, to protect themselves and each other. One of the first things you learn when you work in any kind of law enforcement position is covering your ass.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Of course they covered up the truth . . .

How do you know that?

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

1995 U.S. Senate probe into federal actions at Ruby Ridge, U.S. Marshal Larry Cooper testified he believed Weaver accidentally shot his own son.
Cooper insisted he fired only at Harris and would not have fired blindly at an unidentified target.

VS

Luke Haag, a ballistics expert from Arizona, examined 40 pieces of evidence recovered at the scene and determined Cooper's bullet killed the boy

"It is clear by the ballistic evidence that Sammy Weaver was killed with a bullet fired by U.S. Marshal Larry Cooper's 9-millimeter Colt," Sprungl said.
The sheriff said Cooper shot his submachine gun, which was equipped with a silencer, twice during the Aug. 21, 1992, battle that also killed Deputy
U.S. Marshal William Degan.

He [Luke Haag] said Sammy Weaver actually was hit twice by gunfire. A bullet from Degan's .233-caliber assault rifle struck the boy in the arm,
but that wound was not fatal.

(Sammy Weaver's arm was hanging on by thread after it had been shot."

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/595051/Marshal-likely-killed-Weaver-son-in-92.html?pg=all

A sheriff's ballistics tests found that a federal marshal killed white separatist Randy Weaver's 14-year-old son during a 1992 shootout,
contradicting the federal government's conclusion that the bullet could have come from Weaver.

http://articles.latimes.com/1997/oct/24/news/mn-46174

Their excuse for shooting a mother and the young teenager to death ?
"We shot them because they were endangering the helicopter."

After the trial testimony of the helicopter pilot and USMS
Associate Director of Operations G. Wayne "Duke" Smith, trial
judge Edward Lodge dismissed the charge that Randy Weaver
threatened a helicopter because the helicopter was not north of
the cabin as Horiuchi mistakenly believed. At a hearing on
a manslaughter charge against Horiuchi over the shooting of
Vicki Weaver, Judge Lodge ruled that Horiuchi had a good faith
belief that the helicopter was where he heard it, and had
acted in the reasonable but mistaken belief that he was
protecting the helicopter and its occupants.

What touched the whole event off ? The agents were bored and tormented the Weaver family dog, by throwing rocks.

Then, the agents shot the family dog. Then, the agents blamed the victims. And told lies to everyone.

 

[RoryN]

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=700104&highlight=numbers

 

[Boxlicker101]

1995 U.S. Senate probe into federal actions at Ruby Ridge, U.S. Marshal Larry Cooper testified he believed Weaver accidentally shot his own son.
Cooper insisted he fired only at Harris and would not have fired blindly at an unidentified target.

VS

Luke Haag, a ballistics expert from Arizona, examined 40 pieces of evidence recovered at the scene and determined Cooper's bullet killed the boy

"It is clear by the ballistic evidence that Sammy Weaver was killed with a bullet fired by U.S. Marshal Larry Cooper's 9-millimeter Colt," Sprungl said.
The sheriff said Cooper shot his submachine gun, which was equipped with a silencer, twice during the Aug. 21, 1992, battle that also killed Deputy
U.S. Marshal William Degan.

He [Luke Haag] said Sammy Weaver actually was hit twice by gunfire. A bullet from Degan's .233-caliber assault rifle struck the boy in the arm,
but that wound was not fatal.

(Sammy Weaver's arm was hanging on by thread after it had been shot."

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/595051/Marshal-likely-killed-Weaver-son-in-92.html?pg=all

A sheriff's ballistics tests found that a federal marshal killed white separatist Randy Weaver's 14-year-old son during a 1992 shootout,
contradicting the federal government's conclusion that the bullet could have come from Weaver.

http://articles.latimes.com/1997/oct/24/news/mn-46174

Their excuse for shooting a mother and the young teenager to death ?
"We shot them because they were endangering the helicopter."

After the trial testimony of the helicopter pilot and USMS
Associate Director of Operations G. Wayne "Duke" Smith, trial
judge Edward Lodge dismissed the charge that Randy Weaver
threatened a helicopter because the helicopter was not north of
the cabin as Horiuchi mistakenly believed. At a hearing on
a manslaughter charge against Horiuchi over the shooting of
Vicki Weaver, Judge Lodge ruled that Horiuchi had a good faith
belief that the helicopter was where he heard it, and had
acted in the reasonable but mistaken belief that he was
protecting the helicopter and its occupants.

What touched the whole event off ? The agents were bored and tormented the Weaver family dog, by throwing rocks.

Then, the agents shot the family dog. Then, the agents blamed the victims. And told lies to everyone.

Even before that, a gov. agent entrapped Weaver into making and selling him a sawed off shotgun, which was illegal. Not as illegal as murdering a teenage boy and his mother, but illegal nonetheless. Was Lodge aware Vicky Weaver was holding her baby, not a weapon, when she was shot?