This may not be the thread . . .

[simply__me]

but I want to thank the folks who commented on my poetry spew last week. I'm one who isn't offended by constructive analysis regarding poetry suckage or beauty. It's so damn fun to try it, even if I tend to use the common much too much.

Playing with words is frustrating joy.

As time allows, I'll offer analysis of poems I enjoy, but can only claim the opinion of a relative novice, so take what I write as that.

 

[butters]

but I want to thank the folks who commented on my poetry spew last week. I'm one who isn't offended by constructive analysis regarding poetry suckage or beauty. It's so damn fun to try it, even if I tend to use the common much too much.

Playing with words is frustrating joy.

As time allows, I'll offer analysis of poems I enjoy, but can only claim the opinion of a relative novice, so take what I write as that.

welcome to the forum

the thread we generally use for the thanyous and stuff's the 'To Keep the review thread clean thread'. but here's as good a place as any for what you've just posted. it speaks volumes about your great attitude towards poetry.

you may be a novice, but being new to poetry is no reliable gauge to quality of comment

if what you offer is your honest opinion, and you can understand and illustrate why you hold that opinion, and (it helps sometimes) if you are open to the ideas of others, then your opinion is a valuable asset to anyone you offer it to.

p.s bear in mind that opinions will differ there's very little to be done about that. all part of life's great diversity

 

[twelveoone]

but I want to thank the folks who commented on my poetry spew last week. I'm one who isn't offended by constructive analysis regarding poetry suckage or beauty. It's so damn fun to try it, even if I tend to use the common much too much.

Playing with words is frustrating joy.

As time allows, I'll offer analysis of poems I enjoy, but can only claim the opinion of a relative novice, so take what I write as that.

1. Thank you for your comment.
2. I've seen your comments on others, keep up the good work

In the grand scheme, we are all relative novices. A relatively honest opinion is a joy. Even if it completely off base. It is what another person sees. It is what the poem "says" to them.

"Playing with words is frustrating joy."
I've read something close to this, regarding what what a poet is. Probably Auden. That is all it is, isn't it. Sans bullshit.

Welcome. Spread your submissions out a little more.

 

[lorencino]

welcome to the forum

the thread we generally use for the thanyous and stuff's the 'To Keep the review thread clean thread'. but here's as good a place as any for what you've just posted. it speaks volumes about your great attitude towards poetry.

you may be a novice, but being new to poetry is no reliable gauge to quality of comment

if what you offer is your honest opinion, and you can understand and illustrate why you hold that opinion, and (it helps sometimes) if you are open to the ideas of others, then your opinion is a valuable asset to anyone you offer it to.

p.s bear in mind that opinions will differ there's very little to be done about that. all part of life's great diversity

Plain but true. I love the way you encapsulate good sense in such an understandable manner.

 

[simply__me]

Since this talk about bashers has been circulating around here, I opine and tell a little about me.

For the record, I'm a man who recently (going on two years) got sober after many years of being a successful working drunk. In sobriety, I found I loved the images words can convey. More importantly, I found her, poetry in the form of a soul-mate. So nobody can fuck with me. I've been in hell. This rebirth uplifts me every day as I venture soon into the next 1/2 century (yeah, I'm no kid). The doltz' who give ones due to their insecurity are flies on the wall--savants of horse shit.

BTW, don't laud me because I got sober, I wasted twenty years of my life being a poor human (not assplug human, mind you ;-) ).

chipbutty,

Information read and will be headed in the future.

My attitude is born from being a reformed drunk and my industry—a job that requires a lot of shit eating and then supporting my view with facts to win over the shit feeder. Trust me, I can get my BVD's in a wad a times (knickers for the Brit crowd).

That being said, I don’t enjoy some poetry sites that are no more than places to kiss one another’s backsides. I'll stay on about a week and then leave because they are boorish.

Opinion about what is good varies because humans come from an assortment of experiences. Without constructive comment, one will never improve what one writes. A poet can reserve the right to consider the comment cogent or not.

I like to read the diversity of opinion regarding my work and the work of others, unless that opinion serves no redeeming value. Even a thorough thrashing has its place if the commenter supports their opinion with reason.

I’m just now catching the tenor of this forum and the poetry postings. At first, I thought it may not be useful in trying to grow as a poet and human. I’ve changed my mind. First, a small sampling of the poetry I’ve read is as good as you will find on any poetry site, and I believe this place offers certain advantages due to its sexual nature. You can be blatant, serene, obtuse, sarcastic, traditional and experimental.

Secondly, this forum isn’t extremely active at first glance. In fact, after following it for about two weeks, I wondered if poetry was dead on this site, but I figured out that when this forum starts to roll, most of the posters are intelligent. I like smart people who have a reason for doing as they do. Twelveone, for example, who wants to activate more discourse on this forum. I love the screw it all you are an assplug attitude. I'm still running that poem through my dendrites. It’s fun to read!

Twelveone,

I’m going to post less and clean more. My brain went into poetry overdrive, and I had to get the stuff out somewhere, probably should have left most of it on google docs to edit later. Call it a case of poetry ADHD. You don’t know this, but a couple of your poems (your strange way of commenting led me to read you) made me realize some damn good poetry exits at this site. I dig insanity, and, well, yeah . . .

lorencino,

I’ve never had an analysis on a poem I’d written like the one you provided. I’m humbled, and I’m not that humble. Thank you.

I'll figure out how to do all the c/p stuff later, so forgive me that I couldn't do it now because there's a bit of a learning curve involved.

 

[twelveoone]

I'm still running that poem through my dendrites. It’s fun to read!

Twelveone,

I’m going to post less and clean more.

Shit, a fan.

Seriously, the reason I suggest not doing a lump posting, is your work won't get the attention it deserves, as far as "clean", always good to edit. Be ruthless. As long as you don't kill it.

A word on comments, consider, take what you need, poetry is so wide open, there is no right or wrong. Just some better ways of doing. You make your own way. Keep reading, commenting.

I almost guarantee, if I see real comments on somebody else's I know that person is interested in growth, and I will try to comment. And unless you have a fan club, I'm a pretty easy scorer (5's mostly). I'll hit you with a four, if I feel you're doing a walkthrough.

You should not be surprised that reading comments and making them is a major key to growth. It is thinking. collecting ideas for your next move.

Welcome. Ask questions. Good Luck.

 

[lorencino]

lorencino,

I’ve never had an analysis on a poem I’d written like the one you provided. I’m humbled, and I’m not that humble. Thank you.

I'll figure out how to do all the c/p stuff later, so forgive me that I couldn't do it now because there's a bit of a learning curve involved.

Well, truth be told, it is far easier for me to analyze good poetry than to start with a blank slate and write my own poem. In analyzing your poem I just hang on to your coattails and mouth off about the thrill of the ride. In writing my own poems I have to dig around in my entrails for the vocabulary to describe the constipated stool I'm trying to pass and in between I have to find time to breath, so, yes, I have a built in predisposition to default to 1201’s “3 to 1” rule with no effort on my part.

 

[EroticOrogeny]

Since this talk about bashers has been circulating around here, I opine and tell a little about me.

For the record, I'm a man who recently (going on two years) got sober after many years of being a successful working drunk. In sobriety, I found I loved the images words can convey. More importantly, I found her, poetry in the form of a soul-mate. So nobody can fuck with me. I've been in hell. This rebirth uplifts me every day as I venture soon into the next 1/2 century (yeah, I'm no kid). The doltz' who give ones due to their insecurity are flies on the wall--savants of horse shit.

BTW, don't laud me because I got sober, I wasted twenty years of my life being a poor human (not assplug human, mind you ;-) ).

Welcome, simply__me

I've been here for a little while, but lately haven't been very active here.

Don't downplay the importance of getting and staying sober. I recently celebrated 29 years of sobriety. Not a cure for everything, but all in all better than any of the alternatives.

 

[simply__me]

Shit a fan

I laughed at that because it made me think you shit on a fan.

On reading and commenting:

I've noticed quite a bit just slowing down and enjoying some poems the last few days. In fact, the idea of using the names of Lennon and Lucy in my last poem came from some comment I read on another poem about using names.

It made that poem go from so abstract that no one would get it to more concrete.

I have a ton of things I don't understand, like how does a poet know when to go to the next line? You and Tristesse2 did it so differently in you last efforts

why?

Anyway, thanks to all of you for the welcome mat--I'm gonna stick here for awhile. I think I'll grow.

 

[simply__me]

lorencino

three to one rule, good idea, do a thorough analysis of three to five poems before you post a poem because each one will make you see faults or developmental opportunities in your own poems. Plus, I see the other benefit is folks are more likely to say what they think about your work if you comment on theirs.

My only concern are people who have such thin skin they can't take a suggestion. Hell, who among us knows for sure if our opinion is valid? It's based on what WE think. And good lord, if everybody thought the same the world would suck.

 

[simply__me]

EroticOrogony

It was either get sober or die. Maybe not right away, but it would have happened soon. What was tough is recognizing I had an addiction issue and the personality quirks that make it so.

Hey, congrats on sobriety. I'm over two years now and everything is so much clearer. You get it! Being a drunk is hell. No more of those days with my head pounding like a drum.

 

[UnderYourSpell]

Hi and welcome I'm Annie the Brit with the knickers ...... or not as the case may be

 

[lorencino]

It was either get sober or die. Maybe not right away, but it would have happened soon. What was tough is recognizing I had an addiction issue and the personality quirks that make it so.

Hey, congrats on sobriety. I'm over two years now and everything is so much clearer. You get it! Being a drunk is hell. No more of those days with my head pounding like a drum.

We cannot allow the thin of skin, nor the fear of how they will react to us, to deprive us of the rich rewards of intelligent human intercourse. The way I deal with the thin skinned is to try my damnedest to never allow my words to descend to acrimony or any sort of ad hominem attack.

If someone here writes something that really angers me, I go for a walk and mull over what they have said until I've worked my way through my anger and feel sure that I am thinking rationally about what they have said. Only then do I respond with what I have calculated is the most likely utterance that will serve to diffuse the irrational emotions and allow me to engage respectfully and connect with the person of the other.

It doesn't always work, but it works in enough cases to thrill me about the process of engaging respectfully. I'm not obliged to agree with others; I'm not obliged to like others, but I am obliged to respect each and every human on this planet simply for their humanity—and that still applies no matter how warped I may imagine them to be.

Sometimes, I realize that nothing is going to allow communication with a particular person and then I just stop responding to them.

I've fallen out with a few people here after developing what I thought would be an enduring friendship and I really can't explain it at times—I can just mourn the lost opportunities that the breakdown represents.

Ultimately I have to be free to say what I think and celebrate the amazing gains I have had in my intellectual growth by hearing others voice exactly what they think. I learn far more from my critics than I do from my fans. (Actually, I'm not really aware of any fans and I'm quite happy to do without them.)

Alcohol holds no sway over me, but many people who I have loved dearly were destroyed by alcoholism and I will always have very tender feelings for them. It is wonderful that you have stayed dry for so long for I have seen what a struggle it is. Most of the alcoholics I grew up around where veterans of the second world war and they always struck me as being the more sensitive and compassionate than the other adults I knew. They used alcohol to numb their suffering and become increasingly isolated because of their drinking. It is uplifting to see someone holding their own against the seductive demon.

And I think you are a very good poet. Don't stop writing.

 

[UnderYourSpell]

we all have different ways of coping with what ails us ....... it turned me into a joker (when you're making somebody laugh they are not hitting you) I have got a few backs up I know from my facetious comebacks and also that you Americans don't always get the English dry sense of humour but take it at face value without understanding the nuance. I have noticed over my years here that there have been many poets with some sort of (for want of a better word) mental disorders or their children do. But whatever has brought us together I am glad of it for I have come to know and love some remarkable people here and no other poetry sites have their compassion ..... this site has

 

[simply__me]

UnderYourSkirt, uh, I mean Spell

A Gerund Whore? A Participle Prostitute? A Didactic Dyke? I'm tickled, and glad this place accepts us non-alpha male rednecks with disabling mental conditions (like thinking). Because in our Lady Gaga, Vampire Loving (what total suckage), Gas Guzzling, Greed Infused country, poetry and thinking are a lost art. I KNOW this for a fact, cuz I put my knicker...sorry, BVD's on backerds just this morning cuz I was so preoccupied with not thinking about putting kni..damn, again...BVDS on. It is so much better not to have em on, as you so eloquently posted earlier.

Seriously, hello beautiful, and I read about your significant other being ill. My gal has a true disabling condition, so I feel the challenges. Your commitment to his health will provide you with a sense of peace. You have my thoughts.

 

[twelveoone]

three to one rule, good idea, do a thorough analysis of three to five poems before you post a poem because each one will make you see faults or developmental opportunities in your own poems. Plus, I see the other benefit is folks are more likely to say what they think about your work if you comment on theirs.

My only concern are people who have such thin skin they can't take a suggestion. Hell, who among us knows for sure if our opinion is valid? It's based on what WE think. And good lord, if everybody thought the same the world would suck.

Fuck the thorough analysis, either one or two specifics or even a sort of general comment. Most won't even bother reading them, unless they want to pick it apart and get pissed. I should say be careful with the thorough analysis.
Something besides either book blurb or it sucks should suffice.

Or leave a pun on one of their alts

Your opinion is just that, same as everybody else's. Object is just to THINK about it.

I apparently made three friends, if I may call them that, by just saying what I thought, I had to do some explaining. That sort of balances out the 10,000 enemies I made, which in Literotica's numerology equals five.

 

[simply__me]

Thank God

a sense of humor

don't worry twelve, i am sure we will hate each other sometime soon! There is hope for you yet in your attempt to be voted the most vile creature on the planet.

And, I see what you mean about commenting in detail. I think (but can't be certain) one of my comments was deleted because it was critical (not even critical, just questioning something I didn't get). It makes you not want to comment again on that persons work, as chipbutty suggested. I didn't know you could delete comments, but it does make sense to have some control of that if the person commenting is an idiot.

Come to think of it, the person who may have deleted my comment might have though that. That's cool, I can write some quite stupid things, but, every so often I write something intelligent, or at least punctuate correctly.

 

[butters]

a sense of humor

don't worry twelve, i am sure we will hate each other sometime soon! There is hope for you yet in your attempt to be voted the most vile creature on the planet.

And, I see what you mean about commenting in detail. I think (but can't be certain) one of my comments was deleted because it was critical (not even critical, just questioning something I didn't get). It makes you not want to comment again on that persons work, as chipbutty suggested. I didn't know you could delete comments, but it does make sense to have some control of that if the person commenting is an idiot.

Come to think of it, the person who may have deleted my comment might have though that. That's cool, I can write some quite stupid things, but, every so often I write something intelligent, or at least punctuate correctly.

so it happened to you too? and i think one of twelve's disappeared, too.
looks like lit's glitching again rather than anyone being deliberately deleted.
i'd sooner a glitch than an outbreak of deliberate deletions.

 

[UnderYourSpell]

A Gerund Whore? A Participle Prostitute? A Didactic Dyke? I'm tickled, and glad this place accepts us non-alpha male rednecks with disabling mental conditions (like thinking). Because in our Lady Gaga, Vampire Loving (what total suckage), Gas Guzzling, Greed Infused country, poetry and thinking are a lost art. I KNOW this for a fact, cuz I put my knicker...sorry, BVD's on backerds just this morning cuz I was so preoccupied with not thinking about putting kni..damn, again...BVDS on. It is so much better not to have em on, as you so eloquently posted earlier.

Seriously, hello beautiful, and I read about your significant other being ill. My gal has a true disabling condition, so I feel the challenges. Your commitment to his health will provide you with a sense of peace. You have my thoughts.

beautiful eh? you can stop around lol and thanks for your kind thoughts

 

[simply__me]

Okay, Okay, I'll stop at beautiful, lol. And sincerely, the best.

 

[UnderYourSpell]

Okay, Okay, I'll stop at beautiful, lol. And sincerely, the best.

read it again I never told you to stop

 

[simply__me]

Oh cool, smiles so now you better watch out


UnderYourSpell
Oh! Well, then . . .

sure wish I could read