This just in from John Kerry:

[phrodeau]

Should we press for an apology?

Did you hear that Rumsfeld apologized to Turkey for a high-level meeting where a map was displayed which showed their border in the wrong place?

He's willing to apologize for such trivial things, but not anything that matters.

 

[Sean]

he himself said HE KILLED UNLAWFULLY in Nam

he himself said HE WAS INVOLVED IN WAR CRIMES


In 04, he finally admitted THAT was UNTRUE as was his claim that THOUSANDS of US troops did the same

It's what Kerry should have said from the beginning, if he hadn't been trying to apply the wrong-headed "always attack your detractors venomously" lesson of 2004.

Mai Lai anyone?

 

[busybody..]

a decade long war

and ONE incident

Damn good record!

 

[Pookie]

What you have to get your head around is that he just plain fucked up, just as he does almost everytime he opens his mouth.

Bingo. Those who think he was trying to bad mouth the military aren't making any sense to me. Kerry chose the military years ago. However, history has shown the man just can't keep his brain in the same gear as his mouth.

 

[Pookie]

Yeah, because of the two 2004 presidential candidates, he's the one who has the trouble with public speaking.

Seriously, though, it's the only one that makes any degree of sense. I realize that you want to play this for political gain and hats off to you, good luck with it(I'm personally pulling for a Republican win this week) but it doesn't stand up to the even mildest scrutiny.

The political gain may work to the Dems favor in this. Republicans have been trying to focus on anything other than Iraq. This just puts it front and center again. Kerry made an ass of himself, but he's not running for anything or leading the party. Bush isn't going to gain any momentum focusing on the military and Iraq. It's what' hurt him the most over the past two years, and is getting worse.

 

[busybody..]

If you talk to Democrats of the middle-class and upper-middle-class and (in John Heinz Kerry’s case) the neo-Gulf-emir-class, you’ll have heard the same thing a thousand times: these poor fellows in Iraq, they’re only there because they’re too poverty-stricken and ill-educated so they couldn’t become Senators and New York Times reporters and tenured Queer Studies professors like normal Americans do. That is, in fact, what they mean by the claim that they “support our troops”: they want to bring them home and retrain them so they’re not forced into taking jobs as Bush’s torturers and thugs. It’s part of the same condescension as describing soldiers as “our children”. If a 22-year old intern wants to drop to the Oval Office broadloom, she’s a grown woman exercising her freedom of choice. But, if a 28-year old guy wants to serve in Iraq, he’s a poor wee misguided Grade Six drop-out who doesn’t know any better. John Kerry’s soundbite is interesting not because it’s the umpteenth self-inflicted wound by Mister Nuance but because it gets right to the heart of the Democrats’ “support” for the troops.

 

[busybody..]

Real apologies



Never contain the phrases "my words were misinterpreted" (to make it or "any [one] who was offended." These are weasel words. Nothing is an apology which attempts offload blame or place blame anywhere but on the person making the apology. Such “apologies” should never be accepted.
Never transition to an attempt to balance the scales by showing any other party is wrong in any way. Such “apologies” should never be accepted. Indeed, they should be condemned not just as unmitigating excuses, but as abuses in their own right.


Mr. Kerry is at stage 3 of offense: 1) The original, unfortunate (arguably unintentional) offense; 2) A vicious, immature counterattack; 3) A transparent attempt at deflection ineptly disguised as apology. Each of these stages multiplies the offense.

Mr. Kerry must resign and his enablers and fellow-travelers must be called to account.

It is high time for a roll call of Democratic leaders and candidates.

 

[Malachi]

Real apologies



Never contain the phrases "my words were misinterpreted" (to make it or "any [one] who was offended." These are weasel words. Nothing is an apology which attempts offload blame or place blame anywhere but on the person making the apology. Such “apologies” should never be accepted.
Never transition to an attempt to balance the scales by showing any other party is wrong in any way. Such “apologies” should never be accepted. Indeed, they should be condemned not just as unmitigating excuses, but as abuses in their own right.


Mr. Kerry is at stage 3 of offense: 1) The original, unfortunate (arguably unintentional) offense; 2) A vicious, immature counterattack; 3) A transparent attempt at deflection ineptly disguised as apology. Each of these stages multiplies the offense.

Mr. Kerry must resign and his enablers and fellow-travelers must be called to account.

It is high time for a roll call of Democratic leaders and candidates.

He's apologized for what he thinks he did wrong, which was screw up a joke in a way that it was possible to take offense to. It's not a "real" apology in the sense that he didn't apologize for everything that he was accused of, but given that he believes his explanation, that would be disingenuous. He's sorry for what he's sorry for, and he's not sorry for what he's not sorry for. What's the problem?

 

[busybody..]

http://pajamasmedia.com/upload/2006/11/smallatbirth.jpg

 

[busybody..]

Kerry, Kerry, quite contrary: “After all, Kerry is an awful politician, a human toothache with the charisma of a 19th-century Oxford Latin tutor.”

 

[garbage can]

It is high time for a roll call of Democratic leaders and candidates.

Are you fucking joking?

What's this roll call shit?

Have you checked who the Dem leaders are?

 

[Peregrinator]

But your BULL SHIT was believed by at least one LIT LOSER

Pee On Dragon!

Apoligize to him

It wasn't bullshit. It got you to clarify your position. Sometimes you need to whacked with a heavy stick before you start making any sense.

 

[busybody..]

backtrack all you want

you are full of shit

and PEE ON DRAGON, a HIPPO CREEP fell for it!

 

[Peregrinator]

backtrack all you want

you are full of shit

and PEE ON DRAGON, a HIPPO CREEP fell for it!

Who's backtracking, Parrot Boy? You're a "my party right or wrong" type. I look at the issues and decide who I have to grudgingly let have way too much power.

You're still a butthead.

 

[busybody..]

TerrorTurd

I have always said I didnt vote for the First Bush in 88 nor 92 nor Dole in 96

So BACKTRACK all you want

But STILL party is important!

 

[Peregrinator]

TerrorTurd

I have always said I didnt vote for the First Bush in 88 nor 92 nor Dole in 96

So BACKTRACK all you want

But STILL party is important!

But, boy, do you love to play party politics now. Parrot.

It was so predictable that if you got what you and all your friends were screaming for, an apology, that you were going to attack the apology itself. You're a flack. A minor functionary, and as predictable as the creep on Myspace who keeps sending me messages about why I should vote for Ron Saxton.

Get a brain of your own. The two party system is one of the biggest problems in American politics--witness the choice of Bush and Dukakis if you want an example--and instead of working against it by at least behaving independently, you embrace it wholeheartedly. You become the problem, and then claim you have to be. That's nonsense.

 

[busybody..]

I am ANYTHING BUT a minor cog

I have $50 MILLION committed to ONE guy

I have at LEAST 26 States where MY GUYS will do the grunt work for ONE guy!

 

[busybody..]

There's one delicious irony about this whole Kerry thing that I haven't seen commented on yet. In an attempt to make a joke about how dumb Bush is, Kerry makes what is clearly the dumbest statement a politician could possibly make. Kerry's defense is that he mistakenly said something very dumb in an effort to say how dumb Bush is. Now thats irony.

 

[busybody..]

Folks, I do NOT agree with letting Senator Aristo-Slacker off the hook for his plainly delivered insult to the troops.

It is a basic talking point of the Pelosi / Kerry / Dean wing of the Democratic party that the troops are in Iraq not because they are deeply committed to the mission (they need to deny that) but rather because of a system that takes advantage of their lack of social and economic opportunities. It naturally follows that Kerry would exhort young students to use school as a device of upward social mobility, and thereby escape the fate of those poor fools who wound up in Iraq because of mediocre talent or effort while in school. This is very basic to Kerry's worldview, and for him to deny that he thinks it is weaseling mendacity, not apology.

John Kerry is a pompous fool who can't see what's right in front of his face, and that's why he steps on clearly marked landmines left and right. Viewed from the headquarters of the Bush campaign in '04, the Kerry campaign was an unbelievable spectacle of how to create problems for yourself that everybody else in Washington is competent enough to avoid. People need to understand: This man does not work. He is super-slacker. His brain is soft. He doesn't have anything to say, and gets by in life only because he says it like an aristocrat.

The really important thing about this entire gaff is that Kerry drew attention to a structural flaw in the DNC's communications strategy (which Kerry does all the time, which is why he is such a liability to them) namely that the Democrats do not support what our troops are fighting for and are embarrassed by the troops' dedication and sacrifice and hence they do not support the troops. And I am of the opinion that we should clobber them with that ruthlessly until the day of the election — just like we did in '04 —because it is the most basic reason they deserve to lose

 

[TheOlderGuy]

...as if these are the only two choices. They're not, and we both know it. You decided to play the partisan marionette. Your hand was not forced by having only one other choice. You chose, and now you try to make it seem as though you have to do it. You don't. You could think for yourself, but instead you get on the latest Republican Party Screaming Point and scream, scream, scream for your chosen side.

The best part is that the party you chose stands in opposition to your actual political ideas. You're not even true to your own ideals. You're like a pacifist soldier, a visible, walking paradox, and you somehow think you're doing something sensible.

Scream, parrotboy. Your masters insist upon it.

for me, this works much better:

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#236 Today, 02:19 PM
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he still sez he BOTCHED a joke

in that case

why is he lashing out?



...and why are democrats now demanding an apology from Kerry as well?

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[Peregrinator]

I am ANYTHING BUT a minor cog

I have $50 MILLION committed to ONE guy

I have at LEAST 26 States where MY GUYS will do the grunt work for ONE guy!

Well, then you're a major parrotflackshill. I know you raise money for that dude...and that's fine, since it seems you really believe in that one dude. It's the party shit that drives me nuts. Why spend so much time attacking the other party--which, I'd like to point out, actually reflects your personal politics much better than the one you choose to shill for--and not spend more time citing the positives of your man, or your party if you insist on being a partisan flack? Tell me why you like him so much.

 

[busybody..]

I truly believe the Democratic party is a danger to the US

economically

and

security wise

they must be defeated ANY way possible

ANY WAY POSSIBLE!

 

[Malachi]

Well, then you're a major parrotflackshill. I know you raise money for that dude...and that's fine, since it seems you really believe in that one dude. It's the party shit that drives me nuts. Why spend so much time attacking the other party--which, I'd like to point out, actually reflects your personal politics much better than the one you choose to shill for--and not spend more time citing the positives of your man, or your party if you insist on being a partisan flack? Tell me why you like him so much.

Wat do you exspect from a STOOPID
RAPEdaPUBLIC-CUNT!!

 

[Peregrinator]

I truly believe the Democratic party is a danger to the US

economically

and

security wise

they must be defeated ANY way possible

ANY WAY POSSIBLE!

That's crazy talk. You're compromising your own political beliefs based on bullshit.

 

[Peregrinator]

Wat do you exspect from a STOOPID
RAPEdaPUBLIC-CUNT!!

Sheesh. Nice job getting into the spirit of the Brokebody game.