This judge needs to be locked up in prison FOREVER.

[LJ_Reloaded]

For accessory after the fact. Him and the school principal behind this.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...-days-for-rape-of-student-who-killed-herself/

Shock: High School Teacher Sentenced To Just 30 Days For Rape Of Student Who Killed Herself

A former high school teacher in Montana will only serve 30 days in jail, despite being convicted of raping a 14-year-old girl who later committed suicide.

The sentence was handed down on Monday by Judge G. Todd Baugh to Stacey Dean Rambold, 54, who admitted to having sexual relations with Cherice Morales, a then 14-year-old student.

Baugh reportedly sentenced Rambold to 15 years prison for nonconsensual sexual intercourse, but suspended all except 31 days. The judge then gave the former teacher credit for one day served, reducing his total jail sentence to just 30 days.

According to The Billings Gazette, the judge said 14-year-old Morales was “older than her chronological age” and Rambold’s lawyer asked the judge to “consider how he’s been punished to this point.”

 

[Boxlicker101]

At least the judge apologized for his comments. Hopefully, that will not be enough to keep him from being impeached or recalled.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/montana-judge-defends-30-day-sentence-teacher-raped/story?id=20094594

This SOB should be doing every minute of the original 15 year sentence, since he also violated the agreement that was keeping him out of prison.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

At least the judge apologized for his comments. Hopefully, that will not be enough to keep him from being impeached or recalled.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/montana-judge-defends-30-day-sentence-teacher-raped/story?id=20094594

This SOB should be doing every minute of the original 15 year sentence, since he also violated the agreement that was keeping him out of prison.

APOLOGIZED?

"he stood by the 30-day jail sentence."

THAT is an apology? No, that's actual genuine rape culture.

Cherice Moralez deserves better than this. Any victim of rape, statutory or otherwise, deserves better than this.

 

[subdued_passion]

APOLOGIZED?

"he stood by the 30-day jail sentence."

THAT is an apology? No, that's actual genuine rape culture.

Cherice Moralez deserves better than this. Any victim of rape, statutory or otherwise, deserves better than this.

Did the judge not follow the law in his sentencing... Did he act beyond his scope...

I would be outraged if he did not stand by his sentencing.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Did the judge not follow the law in his sentencing... Did he act beyond his scope...

I would be outraged if he did not stand by his sentencing.

You're trolling. Please stop trolling.

 

[subdued_passion]

You're trolling. Please stop trolling.

How am I trolling?

I read the article you posted and the one boxlicker posted. I understand the hurt and outrage. But saying that the judge needs to be locked up is a emotional response to a series of tragic events.



ETA- When you start a thread, I am assuming that you are inviting people to post and comment on them. If you find my the logic or the facts in my post flawed let me know.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

How am I trolling?

I read the article you posted and the one boxlicker posted. I understand the hurt and outrage. But saying that the judge needs to be locked up is a emotional response to a series of tragic events.

Yes it is an emotional response.

The judge is completely insane and should be locked up in a padded cell for his benefit and the rest of society's.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Yeah. . .what a waste of resources locking him up would be. You know, when we decided officially that 18 is when you're an adult with no exceptions period I'll have a lot more sympathy for cases like this. It seems however that when fourteen year olds kill someone they are magically mature beyond their years but when they fuck they are without a doubt victims. We need a justice system based on justice, not vengeance and not emotion.

 

[subdued_passion]

Yes it is an emotional response.

The judge is completely insane and should be locked up in a padded cell for his benefit and the rest of society's.

Based on the events I can only conclude that the girl was not given adequate care and counselling to deal with her trauma.

I don't know your laws and the articles linked in this thread did not state the basis on which the judge chose to suspend the original sentencing of 15 years. From what I read I gathered that he did act within the purview of the law. As a judge he can only uphold the law, not change it.

Call to have the law changed.

 

[Dazzle1]

Based on the events I can only conclude that the girl was not given adequate care and counselling to deal with her trauma.

I don't know your laws and the articles linked in this thread did not state the basis on which the judge chose to suspend the original sentencing of 15 years. From what I read I gathered that he did act within the purview of the law. As a judge he can only uphold the law, not change it.

Call to have the law changed.

From what I read and heard on TV the judge has a history of coddeling sex offenders. Legaly he could give the 30 days but he also could have accepted the prosecutor's recomendations.

But to blame a14 year old for the incedent shows the judge came in with a preconcieved notion. But the voters should get rid of him in the next election

 

[subdued_passion]

From what I read and heard on TV the judge has a history of coddeling sex offenders. Legaly he could give the 30 days but he also could have accepted the prosecutor's recomendations.

But to blame a14 year old for the incedent shows the judge came in with a preconcieved notion. But the voters should get rid of him in the next election

Again, not knowing the facts I have to assume that a judge is allowed to suspend sentencing only if certain conditions are met and that those conditions were met (else there would've been a hue and cry about it, I'm guessing) in this case.

People forget that a judge is legally authorized to in fact judge. What is means is that based on their experience and study of the law they are allowed to some degree to exercise their own discretion (the extent of their discretionary powers are always limited by one law or the other).

What if the 15 year sentence had been held and the culprit had committed suicide in jail...

Again, I only read the 2 articles... not studied the court transcripts to comment on whether or not the judge let personal bias affect his judgement. Also unaware of the history of the judge to comment on trend. I will say this though that it is sometimes a dangerous thing to look at trends with court rulings as opposed to examining the facts of each individual case.

 

[Dazzle1]

Again, not knowing the facts I have to assume that a judge is allowed to suspend sentencing only if certain conditions are met and that those conditions were met (else there would've been a hue and cry about it, I'm guessing) in this case.

People forget that a judge is legally authorized to in fact judge. What is means is that based on their experience and study of the law they are allowed to some degree to exercise their own discretion (the extent of their discretionary powers are always limited by one law or the other).

What if the 15 year sentence had been held and the culprit had committed suicide in jail...

Again, I only read the 2 articles... not studied the court transcripts to comment on whether or not the judge let personal bias affect his judgement. Also unaware of the history of the judge to comment on trend. I will say this though that it is sometimes a dangerous thing to look at trends with court rulings as opposed to examining the facts of each individual case.

More dangerous for the judge to engage in social engineering than do the job of administring justice.

and if the rapist had committed suicide in jail (no doubt that he did it) good riddance

 

[Boxlicker101]

APOLOGIZED?

"he stood by the 30-day jail sentence."

THAT is an apology? No, that's actual genuine rape culture.

Cherice Moralez deserves better than this. Any victim of rape, statutory or otherwise, deserves better than this.

The judge apologized for - essentially - calling the victim a slut. He did not change the sentence.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Again, not knowing the facts I have to assume that a judge is allowed to suspend sentencing only if certain conditions are met and that those conditions were met (else there would've been a hue and cry about it, I'm guessing) in this case.

People forget that a judge is legally authorized to in fact judge. What is means is that based on their experience and study of the law they are allowed to some degree to exercise their own discretion (the extent of their discretionary powers are always limited by one law or the other).

What if the 15 year sentence had been held and the culprit had committed suicide in jail...

Again, I only read the 2 articles... not studied the court transcripts to comment on whether or not the judge let personal bias affect his judgement. Also unaware of the history of the judge to comment on trend. I will say this though that it is sometimes a dangerous thing to look at trends with court rulings as opposed to examining the facts of each individual case.

There were conditions set for lenient sentencing, and the rapist DID NOT meet them. And there was a hue and cry, and that doesn't even include this thread. The judge DID act within his authority, which I consider to be far too broad. If the rapist had been sentenced to fifteen years in prison and had committed suicide, I would not shed even the smallest tear for him.

ETA: Here is more about the hue and cry: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...0-day-sentence-to-teacher-in-rape-of-student/

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I once put a girl in a highway patrol car and fled town to evade a court order placing her with a pedophile. Judges are stupid lawyers who cant make an honest living.

Its really kewl to fly down the road in a trooper car.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

The judge apologized for - essentially - calling the victim a slut. He did not change the sentence.

I'm practically on the verge of...

 

[subdued_passion]

- Based on the articles I've read (the ones linked in this thread) it appears that the evidence points to it being a case of underage sex and not rape. I realise that in your country that is considered rape but having lived in a culture where spouses are sometimes picked at the time of birth and having seen almost all of my school friends married off and living happy healthy lives before they turned 18, I am not as offended by this incident.

- BUt in your country it is still considered to be rape. However the judge has certain discretionary powers and I can see why he wouldn't want to assign the same sentencing to a case where there was consent as he would to a case where it was non--consensual sex/ rape.

- As far as he judge's comments are concerned... These days anyone with access to mass media feels the need to shove their opinion (like I am at the moment) down someone else's throat, to influence and to manipulate. We aren't really qualified but do so anyway... Judges on the other hand are supposed to engage in social engineering. When they sentence criminals they are setting an example before society.

I can see why people are so upset but it feels like a lot of misdirected anger.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

- Based on the articles I've read (the ones linked in this thread) it appears that the evidence points to it being a case of underage sex and not rape.

Oh Jesus, this again?

It's rape because a 14 year old girl cannot consent to sex with an adult. For the same reason that a 14 year old cannot consent to a contract. For the same reason that a 14 year old cannot legally and biologically should NOT consume alcohol.

A 14 year old's brain is still physically developing, and is biologically immature compared to even an 18 year old's, much less a 21 year old's brain. This is why even occasional consumption of alcohol damages a 14 year old's brain much more than a 21 year old's... hence they can't drink at 14. Also, the immature developmental stage of the human brain at age 14 hampers their ability to reason and to enter into binding agreements, much less their ability to cope with sex itself or its consequences. Thus, they cannot truly consent to most kinds of dealings with an adult. The adult always has the absolute advantage from a number of critical perspectives.

So yes, it is rape. Just because it's not FORCIBLE rape doesn't mean it's not rape.

 

[about_average]

So, by your argument, in Alabama a husband having sex with his 14 year old wife (where girls can marry at 14) is, in fact, raping her.
In Alabama the age of consent is 16. If you have sex with a girl under 16 it's rape. But if you marry her first it's not rape, according to the law.
So when should a guy be locked up based on the "immaturity" argument?

There was a church here in GA, where you have to be 16 to get married, taking girls to AL to get them married. So here in GA they were too immature, but as soon as they crossed the state line they gained 2 years of maturity according to your argument.
Or are you working to make 21 the age everywhere?

 

[subdued_passion]

Oh Jesus, this again?

It's rape because a 14 year old girl cannot consent to sex with an adult. For the same reason that a 14 year old cannot consent to a contract. For the same reason that a 14 year old cannot legally and biologically should NOT consume alcohol.

A 14 year old's brain is still physically developing, and is biologically immature compared to even an 18 year old's, much less a 21 year old's brain. This is why even occasional consumption of alcohol damages a 14 year old's brain much more than a 21 year old's... hence they can't drink at 14. Also, the immature developmental stage of the human brain at age 14 hampers their ability to reason and to enter into binding agreements, much less their ability to cope with sex itself or its consequences. Thus, they cannot truly consent to most kinds of dealings with an adult. The adult always has the absolute advantage from a number of critical perspectives.

So yes, it is rape. Just because it's not FORCIBLE rape doesn't mean it's not rape.

Age of consent for sex is different in different countries. If you read my entire post you will notice I have acknowledged that in your country this case is being treated as statutory rape.

There are many cultures where puberty is considered as an initiation into adulthood. I am not going to argue anthropology and biology with you because in your country below 18 is considered rape whether it is forced or not.

If possible reflect on the following: would you hand out the same sentence in this case as you would in a case of forcible rape?

 

[Boxlicker101]

Age of consent for sex is different in different countries. If you read my entire post you will notice I have acknowledged that in your country this case is being treated as statutory rape.

There are many cultures where puberty is considered as an initiation into adulthood. I am not going to argue anthropology and biology with you because in your country below 18 is considered rape whether it is forced or not.

If possible reflect on the following: would you hand out the same sentence in this case as you would in a case of forcible rape?

In the US, the Age of Consent varies by state, but it is 18 in MT. There are other factors to be considered, such as the age difference - 35 years in this case - and whether or not the adult is an authority figure, such as a teacher, which was the case here. These circumstances should dictate more severe punishment for the perp.

Whatever the circumstances, statutory rape would carry a lighter penalty than forcible rape, which is or was a capital crime in some states.

 

[RobDownSouth]

In the US, the Age of Consent varies by state, but it is 18 in MT. There are other factors to be considered, such as the age difference - 35 years in this case - and whether or not the adult is an authority figure, such as a teacher, which was the case here. These circumstances should dictate more severe punishment for the perp.

Whatever the circumstances, statutory rape would carry a lighter penalty than forcible rape, which is or was a capital crime in some states.

Why am I not the least bit surprised that you've memorized the age of consent in every US state?

 

[Boxlicker101]

Why am I not the least bit surprised that you've memorized the age of consent in every US state?

Why would I memorize the info? Because the question arises sometimes on forums and sometimes I find it necessary to know when I am writing a story, I have a link to it. http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm

It's called research.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Age of consent for sex is different in different countries. If you read my entire post you will notice I have acknowledged that in your country this case is being treated as statutory rape.

There are many cultures where puberty is considered as an initiation into adulthood. I am not going to argue anthropology and biology with you because in your country below 18 is considered rape whether it is forced or not.

If possible reflect on the following: would you hand out the same sentence in this case as you would in a case of forcible rape?

I know you did NOT just ask me that.

If they came to my court I would sentence him or her to ten thousand fucking years in the deepest, darkest dungeon that I could find. And I would spend a day looking up the most terrifying dungeon that America has access to.

Ever heard of 'rendition'?

 

[LiFeNdEaTh]

interesting..