Things that make ya go "Hmmm . . ."

[REDWAVE]

The recent alleged capture of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, allegedly the #3 man in Al Qaeda (shadowy alleged "terrorist" organization) raises some interesting questions. Although Ari Fleischer, Bush's unflappable mouthpiece and professional liar, has stated Khalid will be treated humanely, I have my doubts. He is being held without charges and without being allowed to see a lawyer, a violation of his fundamental human rights. Not only that, the very location where he is being detained is kept secret. A terrorism expert on CNN (forget his name) blurted out that Khalid would be tortured to extract information. That caused the blonde anchor bimbo to squeal "But the U.S. says they don't use torture!", whereupon he matter of factly replied "That's not what my sources indicate." Thumb screws, anyone?


The timing of this is also highly suspect. Just when Bush is getting ready to invade Iraq, and there's been criticism by Democrats that Iraq is distracting from the "war on terror," all of a sudden the Bushites pull a big coup by landing an Al Qaeda "big fish"! Or did they? The photo of the alleged Khalid in the NYT doesn't look at all like the "wanted" pictures of him posted by the FBI. Is the alleged Khalid merely a hapless schmuck, just some bozo they pulled off the streets of Pakistan and said it was Khalid? One wonders, especially since at least one newspaper article reported Khalid's death last fall.


Khalid dead

The capture of Khalid Mohammed-- a major victory in the "war on terror," or just another phony, contrived pseudo-event in a phony, contrived war?

 

[RobDownSouth]

The Wall Street Journal this morning strongly hinted that the guy was going to be "outsourced" to the country of Jordan for torture.

The Pentagon source referred to torture as "slappy-face"...I kid you not.

 

[Linedrive]

Nice REDWAVE...portray Muhhamed as the victim here

 

[JerseyBoy]

The Wall Street Journal this morning strongly hinted that the guy was going to be "outsourced" to the country of Jordan for torture.

The Pentagon source referred to torture as "slappy-face"...I kid you not.

I thought the egyptians were the ones proficient at 'getting information'?

 

[8ball]

The recent alleged capture of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, allegedly the #3 man in Al Qaeda (shadowy alleged "terrorist" organization) raises some interesting questions. Although Ari Fleischer, Bush's unflappable mouthpiece and professional liar, has stated Khalid will be treated humanely, I have my doubts. He is being held without charges and without being allowed to see a lawyer, a violation of his fundamental human rights.
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These are not basic human fundamental rights. Where have you been? Why aren't you screaming this about China, N. Korea, or any communist...er...I mean totalitarian regime?
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Not only that, the very location where he is being detained is kept secret.
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Duh, this should be rather obvious, even to you.
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A terrorism expert on CNN (forget his name) blurted out that Khalid would be tortured to extract information.

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I hope they interrogate him with exreme prejudice.

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That caused the blonde anchor bimbo to squeal "But the U.S. says they don't use torture!", whereupon he matter of factly replied "That's not what my sources indicate." Thumb screws, anyone?


The timing of this is also highly suspect. Just when Bush is getting ready to invade Iraq, and there's been criticism by Democrats that Iraq is distracting from the "war on terror," all of a sudden the Bushites pull a big coup by landing an Al Qaeda "big fish"! Or did they? The photo of the alleged Khalid in the NYT doesn't look at all like the "wanted" pictures of him posted by the FBI. Is the alleged Khalid merely a hapless schmuck, just some bozo they pulled off the streets of Pakistan and said it was Khalid? One wonders, especially since at least one newspaper article reported Khalid's death last fall.
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Blah, blah, blah, wag the dog, blah, blah, blah. I don't see why this is so peculiar. They have been working on this since before 9/11 and even harder after.
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Khalid dead

The capture of Khalid Mohammed-- a major victory in the "war on terror," or just another phony, contrived pseudo-event in a phony, contrived war?

 

[REDWAVE]

GD

Whether Khalid is in any way repsonsible for the Sept. 11 attacks is yet to be proven in a court of law. Unless and until it is, he is entitled to the benefit of a presumption of innocence.

 

[Linedrive]

Maybe Daniel Pearl should've been given a trial right before they cut his head off. You are so wrapped in your conspiracy theories, you're just barely short of being entertaining.

 

[REDWAVE]

Irrelevant

The case of Daniel Pearl is irrelevant here, but for the record, what was done to him was totally wrong too. And if you don't find my posts entertaining, then please read something else.

 

[REDWAVE]

Speaking of Daniel Pearl

Blockbuster article from Asia Times:

Khalid capture

 

[Oliver Clozoff]

Daniel Pearl isn't irrelevant here. Two other terrorism suspects have allegedly identified Mohammad as the man who actually slit Daniel Pearl's throat.

He also has been identified in the January 2002 kidnapping and slaying of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl in Karachi. Investigators believe Mohammed was the man who slit Mr. Pearl's throat on tape after the journalist disappeared while doing a story on Islamic extremists.

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20030304-1970467.htm

And Red, if you personally had reason to believe that torturing a terrorist could lead to information that could save many, many lives, do you think that it wouldn't be morally justified?

 

[REDWAVE]

OC

The Washington Times is an ultra-rightwing propaganda rag with no credibility or journalistic integrity whatsoever. In other words, it's exactly the kind of source I'd expect you to rely upon.

Your open and shameless defense of torture exposes your total lack of any moral compass whatsoever.

 

[REDWAVE]

Foreign press debunking Khalid fantasy

Unlike the lapdog U.S. media, which is slavishly parroting the party line, the foreign press is having a field day with this bogus story:


Robert Fisk in the Independent (U.K.)


Pakistan News Service

 

[Expertise]

Re: Irrelevant

The case of Daniel Pearl is irrelevant here, but for the record, what was done to him was totally wrong too. And if you don't find my posts entertaining, then please read something else.

I find your posts entertaining. They are WAY funnier than SNL has been in years.

 

[REDWAVE]

Expertise

Glad to hear it. But then, if you're really omniscient, you know what I'm going to say before I post it.

 

[Guest]

Torture is kinda couter-productive since the tortured will say anything.

More like Chinese torture of - tap-tap-tap is far more effective. No sleep, loud noise, hunger. That sort of thing.

Good thing. The dude looked like he could use some dieting.

 

[Expertise]

Re: Expertise

Glad to hear it. But then, if you're really omniscient, you know what I'm going to say before I post it.

Just the same, its nice to be amused with print.

 

[CatEyes]

Aren't there different rules if you're a prisioner of war? I think I remember something about that when that american kid was caught in afghanastan (sp?). They said something at the time about him not being entitled to see a lawyer because prisioners of war don't have the same rights.

 

[Lost Cause]

Bigfuckingdeal.......

As a representative of a system (com's) that demands nothing more than the destruction of the American democracy, anything you question always reveals your hate for any American success in the terrorist front.
I look forward to brain hemmoraging rants when the war is on next week, and based on the history of the #3 motherfucker, I don't care how the info is extracted as long as it serves OUR purpose to root out the nutsos.
Take your meds.

 

[Oliver Clozoff]

Re: OC

The Washington Times is an ultra-rightwing propaganda rag with no credibility or journalistic integrity whatsoever. In other words, it's exactly the kind of source I'd expect you to rely upon.

Your open and shameless defense of torture exposes your total lack of any moral compass whatsoever.

LOL. Red, why the need for personal insults? Take a xanax, bruh.

Here's a couple more sources you can write off.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/south/03/04/pakistan.mohammed/

http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/news/0303/04suspect.html

By the way, you didn't answer my question. Is the torture of one person not justified if it can save the lives of many?

 

[Tungwagger]

Re: Nice REDWAVE...portray Muhhamed as the victim here

Not to seem redundant but.....a picture does paint a thousand emotions too..

 

[Alvin Brickrock]

I didn't want to quote your post Redwave, but I wanted to make it clear that I am responding to your post directly.

I don't think you realize that you are a sick person. My intention is not to be insulting, just truthful. You need psychiatric evaluation and treatment.

This manifested, deep hatred you have for something intangible is proof of that. You seem to hate, loath and despise the concept of freedom for which this country, the United States, stands for. For the life of me I can’t understand why, but it’s obvious that you have great contempt for the very country that you make your living in.

I wish you had the courage of your conviction and would move to a country that more suited your needs and desires. Truth is there isn’t one. Khalid Mohammed even preferred the American education system to that of his homeland.

You have lost all sense of reality and the ability to distinguish right from wrong and good from evil.

You are lonely person.

 

[Tungwagger]

Re: Re: OC

LOL. Red, why the need for personal insults? Take a xanax, bruh.

Here's a couple more sources you can write off.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/south/03/04/pakistan.mohammed/

http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/news/0303/04suspect.html

By the way, you didn't answer my question. Is the torture of one person not justified if it can save the lives of many?

RED doesn't answer questions...he just rants about the latest conspiracy theory that happens to clog his digestive tract which causes a severe bowel impaction...

Thus, his shitty outlook on America...

It's really about those damn pharmaceutical companies not providing him with an adequate stool softener...

 

[Oliver Clozoff]

Stool softener, you say?

We could've been avoided all his rantings with just one lousy 'script for colace?

I'd never be so happy to write a prescription.

 

[Nogard]

One thing to think about! If it is ok for the US to torture people it is OK for other countries to do the same to US troops. I spent 22 years in the military and 4 1/2 in Vietnam. I sort of think the Geneva Conventions are the way to go. If you disagree, the recruiting stations are looking for a few good men.

 

[Oliver Clozoff]

As a general rule, you're absolutely right, Nogard.

But perhaps there ought to be exceptions made for terrorist masterminds responsible for "pulling on the trigger" on operations that could kill thousands.