The problem with leftist conspiracy theories...

[AndersonsBiographer]

...is that we keep being right about ours.

-The US Army probably WAS responsible for outbreaks of plague, cholera, and other diseases which ravaged local populations and killed thousands of civilians during the Korean and Vietnam wars. They also worked to hide the effects of Agent Orange then and Depleted Uranium now, allowing their own veterans to suffer in agony rather admit to having deliberately poisoned them.
-The CIA and DoD DID overthrow numerous democratically-elected governments and then plunge their nations into brutal civil wars, and they did experiment on American soldiers and citizens with the idea of turning normal people into mind-controlled killing machines.
-There WERE a lot of strange things happening in Memphis in the lead-up to MLK's murder, and there's many good reasons to believe that James Earl Ray was not the man who pulled the trigger.
-There ARE a lot of questions that need to be asked about the exact origins of HIV/AIDS and what role western germ warfare technicians might have played in creating it.
-The FBI and numerous other government and corporate entities DID secretly commit a number of illegal actions, probably up to and including murder, to discredit civil rights, anti-war, and organized labor activists. And there's no reason to think they ever stopped.
-Reagan WAS secretly arming terrorist groups Central America in direct violation of congressional orders.
-The Central Intelligence Agency DID help bankroll those groups by flooding urban America with crack cocaine. And now they're doing the same thing with opioids in rural America.
-There ARE a lot of questions that need to be asked about the exact origins of Al Qaeda and what role western intelligence agencies might have played in creating it.
-George W Bush probably DID have advanced knowledge that something like 9/11 was going to happen, and it's not unthinkable that he and his Zionist allies really did let it happen as a justification for a global crusade against the entire uncowed Islamic world.
-And we all know damn well that there were never WMDs in Iraq, and that no one who spent years telling us so ever really believed it.
-Every question we could ask about Al Qaeda and 9/11 could just as easily be asked about Hamas and 10/7.

 

[Lazaran]

AndersonsBiographer isn’t wrong.



Now AndersonsBiographet should do a synopsis of atrocities committed by Russia, China, India, past European empires, Japan, the Muslim expansion, etc, etc, etc, in pursuit of "empire" - survival / dominance.

The U.S. has indeed conducted itself atrociously in its quest for "empire" - survival / dominance, but to suggest that it is unique, or that it’s competitors / adversaries weren’t / aren’t plotting ways to ensure its downfall on a daily basis is naive.



Also:

Given the past and recent history of absolute barbarism exhibited by the other "empires" mentioned, the U.S. is still the world last best hope for a civilized future, imho.

 

[YDB95]

-George W Bush probably DID have advanced knowledge that something like 9/11 was going to happen, and it's not unthinkable that he and his Zionist allies really did let it happen as a justification for a global crusade against the entire uncowed Islamic world.

You had me until this one. Dumbya almost certainly did have access to that information beforehand, but he most likely didn't actually learn about it for one simple, and extremely well-documented, reason: he didn't bother to read anything.

 

[Lazaran]

You had me until this one. Dumbya almost certainly did have access to that information beforehand, but he most likely didn't actually learn about it for one simple, and extremely well-documented, reason: he didn't bother to read anything.

Oh, I would suspect that shrub DID read that particular report if the conspiracy theory is accurate.

The theory of the U.S. aiding and abetting the 9/11 attack is premised on the perceived notion that the U.S. wanted it to succeed so it would be a rallying point for the Iraq war (etc).

And the Iraq war (etc) was allegedly deemed necessary PRIMARILY to blunt an effort by an international cabal to knock the dollar off its throne.

Side note:

Efforts by the global cabal to knock the dollar off its throne continue to this day, and they have never been closer to achieving their goal.

The U.S. is being pressured from multiple angles by its competitors / adversaries via the boiled frog strategy, with those adversaries believing they can pull off the coup of dethroning the dollar before the U.S. jumps out of the water.



And who knows; maybe the corporate elite in the U.S. WANT the dollar to be supplanted so the China-fication of the U.S. (it’s workers at least) can begin.



Interesting times.

 

[AndersonsBiographer]

The proletariat will cast off their chains in time. Like a phoenix they shall rise to throw off the chains of hegemony that have for so long bound them in mental and physical thralldom.

 

[KeithD]

...is that we keep being right about ours.


-George W Bush probably DID have advanced knowledge that something like 9/11 was going to happen, and it's not unthinkable that he and his Zionist allies really did let it happen as a justification for a global crusade against the entire uncowed Islamic world.
-And we all know damn well that there were never WMDs in Iraq, and that no one who spent years telling us so ever really believed it.
-Every question we could ask about Al Qaeda and 9/11 could just as easily be asked about Hamas and 10/7.

Definitely on the "something like 9/11" was going to happen. I was in on reporting that before I retired from the government (in 1997). The problem is there was a whole lot of flak up in the air on that, in general, with the knowledge that the United States was a wide-open country with so much that could happen and that couldn't be fully guarded against in an open country. But I think it was unthinkable that Bush or anyone else in the United States did any scheming to let it happen. Bush said a truism on 9/11--that the terrorists had to be successful only once in doing something like that and the United States had to be successful every single time in preventing it. We lived on that edge for a couple of decades of trying before the terrorists were successful. Some of us can remember when it was considered a violation of Americans' rights to check them over in any way before getting on a commercial flight.

And on the WMDs in Iraq--absolutely. Again, I was involved in reporting on analysis of that. We knew they had had WMDs, because we sold them to Hussein. But we had them counted, with Iraq selling a lot of them to other countries and letting the rest deteriorate to where they couldn't be used. State and CIA directly told the administration the truth of that, but DIA told them what they wanted to hear. The Bush administration didn't want to hear what it didn't want to hear, though. Daddy Bush had been criticized for not carrying all the way through in ousting Hussein (who, incidentally, had been an asset of the CIA at one time), so Junior had to complete that even if the justification had to be manufactured. (The Bush administration had also lied about U.S. ambassador to Iraq April Glaspie having erroneously given Hussein the go-ahead to attack Kuwait and just setting up the justification for U.S. retaliation. They threw her under the bus on that.) Daddy Bush had been right not to finish the "get-Hussein" job the first time. That operation had hinged on the agreement and participation of allies--and they'd all said no.

 

[AndersonsBiographer]

Definitely on the "something like 9/11" was going to happen. I was in on reporting that before I retired from the government (in 1997). The problem is there was a whole lot of flak up in the air on that, in general, with the knowledge that the United States was a wide-open country with so much that could happen and that couldn't be fully guarded against in an open country. But I think it was unthinkable that Bush or anyone else in the United States did any scheming to let it happen. Bush said a truism on 9/11--that the terrorists had to be successful only once in doing something like that and the United States had to be successful every single time in preventing it. We lived on that edge for a couple of decades of trying before the terrorists were successful. Some of us can remember when it was considered a violation of Americans' rights to check them over in any way before getting on a commercial flight.

In all fairness, the security theater surrounding airports, and the whole post-9/11 routine of free citizens being treated like prison inmates, would be a lot more tolerable if there was any evidence of it doing any good. I know of people who claim to routinely sneak firearms aboard aircraft, and I myself have taken drugs on planes back when I was young(er) and (even more) stupid.

And on the WMDs in Iraq--absolutely. Again, I was involved in reporting on analysis of that. We knew they had had WMDs, because we sold them to Hussein. But we had them counted, with Iraq selling a lot of them to other countries and letting the rest deteriorate to where they couldn't be used. State and CIA directly told the administration the truth of that, but DIA told them what they wanted to hear. The Bush administration didn't want to hear what it didn't want to hear, though. Daddy Bush had been criticized for not carrying all the way through in ousting Hussein (who, incidentally, had been an asset of the CIA at one time), so Junior had to complete that even if the justification had to be manufactured. (The Bush administration had also lied about U.S. ambassador to Iraq April Glaspie having erroneously given Hussein the go-ahead to attack Kuwait and just setting up the justification for U.S. retaliation. They threw her under the bus on that.) Daddy Bush had been right not to finish the "get-Hussein" job the first time. That operation had hinged on the agreement and participation of allies--and they'd all said no.

Not unlike Osama. Not unlike Noriega. Hell not even unlike Ho Chi Minh and Mao.

https://www.cia.gov/resources/csi/static/oss-ho-chi-minh.pdf

Haha! Ooops!

As for Iraq, no less a figure than Dick Cheney warned in the 1990's that removing Sadaam would lead to disasterous consequences.

"I think that the proposition of going to Baghdad is also fallacious. I think if we we're going to remove Saddam Hussein we would have had to go all the way to Baghdad, we would have to commit a lot of force because I do not believe he would wait in the Presidential Palace for us to arrive. I think we'd have had to hunt him down. And once we'd done that and we'd gotten rid of Saddam Hussein and his government, then we'd have had to put another government in its place. What kind of government? Should it be a Sunni government or Shi'i government or a Kurdish government or Ba'athist regime? Or maybe we want to bring in some of the Islamic fundamentalists? How long would we have had to stay in Baghdad to keep that government in place? What would happen to the government once U.S. forces withdrew? How many casualties should the United States accept in that effort to try to create clarity and stability in a situation that is inherently unstable? I think it is vitally important for a President to know when to use military force. I think it is also very important for him to know when not to commit U.S. military force. And it's my view that the President got it right both times, that it would have been a mistake for us to get bogged down in the quagmire inside Iraq."

"Once you got to Iraq and took it over, took down Saddam Hussein’s government, then what are you going to put in its place? That’s a very volatile part of the world, and if you take down the central government of Iraq, you could very easily end up seeing pieces of Iraq fly off: part of it, the Syrians would like to have to the west, part of it — eastern Iraq — the Iranians would like to claim, they fought over it for eight years. In the north you’ve got the Kurds, and if the Kurds spin loose and join with the Kurds in Turkey, then you threaten the territorial integrity of Turkey.

It’s a quagmire if you go that far and try to take over Iraq.

The other thing was casualties. Everyone was impressed with the fact we were able to do our job with as few casualties as we had. But for the 146 Americans killed in action, and for their families — it wasn’t a cheap war. And the question for the president, in terms of whether or not we went on to Baghdad, took additional casualties in an effort to get Saddam Hussein, was how many additional dead Americans is Saddam worth?

Our judgment was, not very many, and I think we got it right."

 

[ll74]

Jet fuel can't melt steel beams!

Lmao

 

[AndersonsBiographer]

Jet fuel can't melt steel beams!

Lmao

Hot takes can't melt dank memes.

 

[SmokingFap]

The proletariat will cast off their chains in time. Like a phoenix they shall rise to throw off the chains of hegemony that have for so long bound them in mental and physical thralldom.

Pomp and circumstance, signifying nothing.

 

[SmokingFap]

...is that we keep being right about ours.

-The US Army probably WAS responsible for outbreaks of plague, cholera, and other diseases which ravaged local populations and killed thousands of civilians during the Korean and Vietnam wars. They also worked to hide the effects of Agent Orange then and Depleted Uranium now, allowing their own veterans to suffer in agony rather admit to having deliberately poisoned them.
-The CIA and DoD DID overthrow numerous democratically-elected governments and then plunge their nations into brutal civil wars, and they did experiment on American soldiers and citizens with the idea of turning normal people into mind-controlled killing machines.
-There WERE a lot of strange things happening in Memphis in the lead-up to MLK's murder, and there's many good reasons to believe that James Earl Ray was not the man who pulled the trigger.
-There ARE a lot of questions that need to be asked about the exact origins of HIV/AIDS and what role western germ warfare technicians might have played in creating it.
-The FBI and numerous other government and corporate entities DID secretly commit a number of illegal actions, probably up to and including murder, to discredit civil rights, anti-war, and organized labor activists. And there's no reason to think they ever stopped.
-Reagan WAS secretly arming terrorist groups Central America in direct violation of congressional orders.
-The Central Intelligence Agency DID help bankroll those groups by flooding urban America with crack cocaine. And now they're doing the same thing with opioids in rural America.
-There ARE a lot of questions that need to be asked about the exact origins of Al Qaeda and what role western intelligence agencies might have played in creating it.
-George W Bush probably DID have advanced knowledge that something like 9/11 was going to happen, and it's not unthinkable that he and his Zionist allies really did let it happen as a justification for a global crusade against the entire uncowed Islamic world.
-And we all know damn well that there were never WMDs in Iraq, and that no one who spent years telling us so ever really believed it.
-Every question we could ask about Al Qaeda and 9/11 could just as easily be asked about Hamas and 10/7.

It's interesting that every conspiracy theory that you believe has been proven true was committed by Republicans...

 

[AndersonsBiographer]

It's interesting that every conspiracy theory that you believe has been proven true was committed by Republicans...

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

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More proof the Democratic Party isn’t communist.

 

[schism666]

More proof the Democratic Party isn’t communist.

"democrat" party

 

[AndersonsBiographer]

More proof the Democratic Party isn’t communist.

Is anyone, barring their brethren in ammunition expenditure, claiming otherwise?

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Is anyone, barring their brethren in ammunition expenditure, claiming otherwise?

Many conservatives on this message board do.

 

[AndersonsBiographer]

Many conservatives on this message board do.

Yeah, but admit it. The only thing you or I want to hear from conservatards is that funny sound that people sometimes make after having their minds blown. The R. Budd Dwyer chortle.

 

[schism666]

i only want to hear most of them choking on their own blood

 

[DemonDanielle404]

i only want to hear most of them choking on their own blood

Yeah, but admit it. The only thing you or I want to hear from conservatards is that funny sound that people sometimes make after having their minds blown. The R. Budd Dwyer chortle.

Uh, y'all kind of fucked up.

 

[schism666]

Uh, y'all kind of fucked up.

thank you.

 

[AndersonsBiographer]

Uh, y'all kind of fucked up.

You're not wrong.

 

[DemonDanielle404]

thank you.

Your welcome.

 

[schism666]

this is so sad. no, not the misspelled word but the pathetic loser who liked the dumb post.