These are probably religious zealots who want to re-spiritiualize . . .

[Todd]

. . . and desecularize Christmas.


Pshaw, and cha'right

Any religious zealot that wants to get to the true celebration of Christmas would/will be doing it in September not December.

December 25th has been and always will be a secularistic holiday.

 

[Phoenyx]

Say what?

 

[Todd]

Say what?

for what part sept birth of christ holiday

or christmas december not a christian holiday?

 

[Phoenyx]

for what part sept birth of christ holiday

or christmas december not a christian holiday?

Both.

 

[Todd]

Both.

Date of Jesus Birth s in mid September when properly transfering Jewish calander to the presnt Calender.

December 25th was/is a celtic holiday that the Catholics thought it would be funny to take over as thier own, figuring that the celts would become catholic cause of the shared holiday.

In other words December 25th being Jesus birthday is a LIE

 

[Phoenyx]

Date of Jesus Birth s in mid September when properly transfering Jewish calander to the presnt Calender.

December 25th was/is a celtic holiday that the Catholics thought it would be funny to take over as thier own, figuring that the celts would become catholic cause of the shared holiday.

In other words December 25th being Jesus birthday is a LIE

Unless you were there with a calendar no one realy knows when Jesus was Born. Maybey it was August he was born. Or April. Its not just cathlics who celebrate christmas on December 25th. they are many other people who woulc give a rats ass about the CElts.

 

[Shy Tall Guy]

Unless you were there with a calendar no one realy knows when Jesus was Born. Maybey it was August he was born. Or April. Its not just cathlics who celebrate christmas on December 25th. they are many other people who woulc give a rats ass about the CElts.

Actually, the current thought, given some educated guesses about some of the scriptures that give some clues, is that Christ was conceived around the last week of December instead of born then - assuming the pregnancy was the standard length. So your guess of August is not too far off (and Todd is correct).

Either way, it doesn't matter - Christianity is not about holy days - not in my mind at least. Whether Christ was born or conceived on or near Christmas, or not, is really irrelevant. Does any intelligent Christian really think God cares whether we get the day right or not - for that matter if we really celebrate it?

Christianity is not about when Christ was born, or when he died - it is about how he lived, what he did, his message and why he came to us, why he died, not when.

So my message to people who worry about such crap and make a big deal out of it, is grow up and see the Big Picture.

Todd - some questions:

Why did you have to start a whole different thread on this? Why couldn't you have replied in the other thread you started?

Why did you never provide a verifiable source for your story about the tree lighting ceremony?

 

[Todd]

Todd - some questions:

Why did you have to start a whole different thread on this? Why couldn't you have replied in the other thread you started?

Why did you never provide a verifiable source for your story about the tree lighting ceremony?

Actually this was suppose to be the reply button and not the new post button

The other thread was to try and get a verifiable source one way or the other about the tree story. I as I said in the thread title can not believe that a town even as small as 1800+- people would cave to the will of two people.

I spent the evening in chat rooms trying to find an actually person from there, and gave upw ith the conclusion the place dosn't exist.

I was hoping someone here would be able to verify it yes or no. the only one who did was ppman 2-3 posts into that thread

 

[Shy Tall Guy]

. . . and desecularize Christmas.


Pshaw, and cha'right

Any religious zealot that wants to get to the true celebration of Christmas would/will be doing it in September not December.

Most people do not know this because it really isn't important when XMas is celebrated any more than it is important whether Saturday or Sunday is the Sabbath (it is the former). So your assertion abouts zealots is irrelevant.

December 25th has been and always will be a secularistic holiday.

Bullshit - see my previous post. If we want to celebrate XMas on July 4th do you think it really matters one whit to God?

It is the way Xmas is celebrated that makes it secular for some, not when. The manner in which Xmas is celebrated is up to the individual - you make it as secular or as religious as you like.

If you want to celebrate your XMas in September then feel free, but I feel sorry for any kids you may ever have.

 

[Spinaroonie]

Hell, if you translate the old calendars to ours there's a discrepancy of two hundred years...

 

[YogiBare]

I swear, Kensington is real!

Todd, I live close to the town and have been there bunches of times. It's basically a little bedroom community in Montgomery County, just outside of DC. It's quaint, got lots of antique stores, and is inhabited by a bunch of very highly educated people. Did you see my post on your earlier threat that contained the official press release by the Kensington Government about the tree lighting ceremony?

I've been able to get more information from local TV news about what's going on there. It is, in fact, a classic separation of church and state issue, similar to what's happened regarding publically sponsored Christmas decorations and events. There were two complaints about Santa and the town fathers, rather than adding something to the celebration for Rammadan (sp?), Channukah, and Qwaanza, decided to remove Santa and honor the public safety workers instead.

The latest news is that the Chief of the volunteer fire department in the town has invited a Santa and several residents say that they will also come dressed as Santa. It'll be interesting to see what actually happens 12/2.

 

[Phoenyx]

If your Gonna Celebrate the birth of Jesus why not have it December if know one knows the exact date. Billions of people celebrate December 25th. Others January 5th. who is right. We wont know untill Judgment day.

 

[Shy Tall Guy]

We wont know untill Judgment day.

The last thing I am going to be thinking about on that day is what Christ's exact birthday was. It doesn't matter - not then, not now, not in the future.

One of the things I will be really happy about on that day is that billions of people will realize that such petty shit doesn't matter and that they wasted a lot of time and effort arguing about it.

 

[crystalhunting]

Date of Jesus Birth s in mid September when properly transfering Jewish calander to the presnt Calender.

December 25th was/is a celtic holiday that the Catholics thought it would be funny to take over as thier own, figuring that the celts would become catholic cause of the shared holiday.

In other words December 25th being Jesus birthday is a LIE

Ummm Todd,

Correction...December 25th was originally the Roman feast of Saturnalia,It was never a Celtic invention,Do some research and you will see.

No.2 Jesus was born around March,The enviroment that is described is consistent only in that time,Another for you to research


Go look it up.


CH

 

[Shy Tall Guy]

No.2 Jesus was born around March,The enviroment that is described is consistent only in that time,Another for you to research

That may be - the theory I heard about September is that they based that conclusion on certain festivals and holidays.

It is hard to know for sure, and as I said, it doesn't really matter - except to people who have nothing better to do than to worry about such stuff - and I would submit that they do have something better to do; learn what the important stuff is.

 

[MissVictoria]

Interesting concentration of holidays at a certain point in December. While Christmas day more than likely coincides with some festival somewhere or another, the major holidays of December don't coincide with the same day. It is interesting to note that most of these holidays have something to do with the birth of light into the world. I'm not suprised that Christmas was picked to be celebrated in December.

Dec. 9 First day of Hannukkah

Dec. 13 Ides of December, St. Lucy's Day, Little Yule

Dec. 17 First day of Saturnalia (ends on dec. 23)

Dec. 20 The Mother night (odinist)

Dec. 21 Winter Solstice, Yule (aforementioned celtic holiday), Midwinter, Alban Arthuan, St. Thomas's Day

Dec. 23 Acca Larentis

Dec. 25 Christmas

Dec. 28 Bairn's Day (Holy Innocent's Day)

Dec. 31 Hogmanay, Twelfth Night (asatru)

 

[Shy Tall Guy]

I'm not suprised that Christmas was picked to be celebrated in December.

For whatever reason, I suppose it makes sense - but people who obsess about the exact date and think that it is relevant are forgetting the fact that early Christians did not celebrate XMas for over 300 years. It wasn't until the 4th century that this tradition began. If the exact date of Christ's birth is so important, then why did the early Christians make no mention of celebrating it in the Bible?

Whatever date you choose, what makes the difference is how you choose to celebrate it - if you choose to celebrate at all. I go with Dec. 25th because that is the way my family always has done it, and because that is when almost everyone else in our culture chooses to celebrate too.

 

[MissVictoria]

I agree wholeheartedly.

But I say... why limit it to December? The day is not so much to celebrate the actual birth of Christ, like an anniversary of a great event, but to give you cause to think about the actual event, what the birth of Christ brought to the world, and to honor it by promoting peace and goodwill, etc.

Hardly seems like something that should last one day, or even for one month. Your savior was born... it shouldn't take a specific day of the year to remind you of it. So I say... lets celebrate Christmas year round!

At least, myself being nonchristian, the spirit of it.