The world is a safer place because Israel takes action and is willing to pay the price that no one else would.

[silky52]

Israel occupied Gaza in 1968, but they withdrew their troops in 2005. Nobody was “rounded up and thrown” there.

Israel also offered Gaza to the Egyptians in the peace treaty in the early '80s. They declined!! Tell that to these morons on here. They are so incredibly ignorant of the actual facts that took place.

 

[silky52]

A population of 1M adults and 1M kids doesn't sound right but in any event even if those numbers are right it's still Israel running Gaza like an open air prison/concentration camp because before Israel was even a country both Muslims and Jews lived where Israel is now and over time most of the Palestinians got rounded up and concentrated in to Gaza...

Please, please get your facts right! How ignorant you sound, sincerely you have no idea what you are talking about. The Muslims who lived in British Mandated Palestine as the Brits renamed it were mostly from Egypt and other countries. Jews and Muslims also lived there under Turkish rule! When Israel was declared a state in 1948 the Muslim Arabs all around Israel declared war and began killing Jews in Israel. Israel fought back. That's what the world does not like that Jews can and will fight back. Please, again read about what really happened in the Middle East. It's mostly due to the Jews that Israel is what it is today, and the Arabs don't like that.

 

[TellusMoon]

Stopping Iran from getting an atom bomb is definitely a good thing. Also bringing down the repressive regime ruling Iran would also be a good thing.

I strongly disagree with "bringing down repressive regime".

For this you dont need history books, just tv and short term memory. Iraq, Afghanistan, Lybia. No country is world police, no country has the right to say your regime isnt right. Is your regime in US right where the elected president can be the guy with less votes? Or involved in illegal stuff?
Is a regime like in Spain, UK, Japan, Sweden, Netherlands the right one, where you are king because you just born?
Regimes are up to people of their country to choose and deal with. You can artificially change that as you should have learn after 50 years of cold war and all after that. When a population wants changes, they will change it.

Humm, nuclear bomb. Ohhh, nuclear bomb. Likes the ones Saddam had? Or was that danger so big that they waited, and waited and waited?
Did they discover it by night?
After being told you the same lie over and over again you still eat the same garbage?

And btw, Israel, as response to the terrorist and barbaric attack on 7 october, Israel is performing an ethnic cleansing in Gaza. More than 50k deaths, most children and women. This is not collateral damages, this is not hunan shields. Israel just don't see them as humans. Their hate speach dehumanize those people, so killing them is no problem. Its just a plague, beneath you.

Israel is doing what was done to them 90 years ago. They ve lost their memory (the leaders and those supporting this, not all fortunately, not all lost).

Yes fuck Bibi and their Reich.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

I strongly disagree with "bringing down repressive regime".

For this you dont need history books, just tv and short term memory. Iraq, Afghanistan, Lybia. No country is world police, no country has the right to say your regime isnt right. Is your regime in US right where the elected president can be the guy with less votes? Or involved in illegal stuff?
Is a regime like in Spain, UK, Japan, Sweden, Netherlands the right one, where you are king because you just born?
Regimes are up to people of their country to choose and deal with. You can artificially change that as you should have learn after 50 years of cold war and all after that. When a population wants changes, they will change it.

Humm, nuclear bomb. Ohhh, nuclear bomb. Likes the ones Saddam had? Or was that danger so big that they waited, and waited and waited?
Did they discover it by night?
After being told you the same lie over and over again you still eat the same garbage?

And btw, Israel, as response to the terrorist and barbaric attack on 7 october, Israel is performing an ethnic cleansing in Gaza. More than 50k deaths, most children and women. This is not collateral damages, this is not hunan shields. Israel just don't see them as humans. Their hate speach dehumanize those people, so killing them is no problem. Its just a plague, beneath you.

Israel is doing what was done to them 90 years ago. They ve lost their memory (the leaders and those supporting this, not all fortunately, not all lost).

Yes fuck Bibi and their Reich.

Arab women are freer in Israel than Persian women are in Iran. Hopefully the Islamic regime in Iran will collapse soon and the Iranian people will be free.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Arab women are freer in Israel than Persian women are in Iran. Hopefully the Islamic regime in Iran will collapse soon and the Iranian people will be free.

And we have exactly ONE person to blame for this: George W. Bush.

Iran was one of the more "liberal" places in the Middle East, and the Shah, eager to curry favor with the west, loosened the Shi'a death grip on religion there. Unfortunately the Shah's version of ICE (called SAVAK) became so authoritarian that people revolted, figuring anything was better than an authoritarian regime with a secret police army.

They were wrong. The rise of Ayatollah Khomeini was worse.

The Iranian youth, in particular, were strongly repressed for over 20 years, until American capitalism (Levis blue jeans in particular) weakened the grip of the Ayatollah and his religious fanatics.

Just when it looked like Iran might be on the cusp of modernization and moderation once again, along came 9/11.

George W. Bush decided to not punish Daddy's friends Saudi Arabia for their role in the 9/11 fuckup. and came up with the oh-so-great focus-tested mantra of labeling evildoers "the axis of evil". Proto-maga zealots (then known as "Compassionate conservatives) embraced the phrase and America had new reason to hate Iran, which didn't have jack shit to do with 9/11. The Israeli government strongly promoted this happy horseshit. and Iranians began to fear that the USA was going to drop nukes on them any day now.

Frightened people cling to religion, and Iranians re-embraced the mullahs in Iran. The mullahs realized how close they'd been to losing power and immediately clamped down on the general population

 

[TellusMoon]

Arab women are freer in Israel than Persian women are in Iran. Hopefully the Islamic regime in Iran will collapse soon and the Iranian people will be free.

And?
People live better in Norway than Israel. Should Norway invade Israel?
In a lot of countries, a lot, minorities live with more freedom than in US?

And will Israel atrack China, one of most repressive regimes? Or your very dear friend Putin? What about the arab countries now in good relations with Israel?

"Tyranic regime" is only an argument when you need to replace "money and power".
All wars are about money and power, not because you care about something. You care about arab women? Let me laugh. Please stop. My belly hurts. I cant take more laughs. Nor BS. Big stinky and centuries old BS.

 

[rainsol]

You are an idiot.

Doubly.

Do not QUIT your DAY job what a fucking idiot

 

[Politruk]

The Muslims who lived in British Mandated Palestine as the Brits renamed it were mostly from Egypt and other countries.

That is a lie. The Palestinians have lived there since ancient times. They are the indigenous people of the land.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

And?
People live better in Norway than Israel. Should Norway invade Israel?
In a lot of countries, a lot, minorities live with more freedom than in US?

And will Israel atrack China, one of most repressive regimes? Or your very dear friend Putin? What about the arab countries now in good relations with Israel?

"Tyranic regime" is only an argument when you need to replace "money and power".
All wars are about money and power, not because you care about something. You care about arab women? Let me laugh. Please stop. My belly hurts. I cant take more laughs. Nor BS. Big stinky and centuries old BS.

Israel is bombing Iran purely out of self-interest. Iran has been calling for Israel to be destroyed for years and supporting attacks against it by Hamas and Hezbollah. Now that Hamas and Hezbollah are weakened, Israel is using the opportunity to settle matters with Iran and take out a dangerous enemy.

Freeing the Iranian people from a vicious theocratic regime is merely a nice side effect. A liberated secular Iran would be a natural ally to Israel because of the thousands of years of friendship between the Jews and the Persians.

 

[TellusMoon]

Israel is bombing Iran purely out of self-interest. Iran has been calling for Israel to be destroyed for years and supporting attacks against it by Hamas and Hezbollah. Now that Hamas and Hezbollah are weakened, Israel is using the opportunity to settle matters with Iran and take out a dangerous enemy.

Freeing the Iranian people from a vicious theocratic regime is merely a nice side effect. A liberated secular Iran would be a natural ally to Israel because of the thousands of years of friendship between the Jews and the Persians.

You wont convice me, I wont convice you.
You stay with your beliefs and I stay with mine.
We don't have to think same way.

And I didnt register here to debate politics (Yes, I shouldnt replied to a political topic first place, my fault). I want to chill out. So if you wanna talk about anything else, I would gladly but lets leave politics aside. We are staying were we are.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

You wont convice me, I wont convice you.
You stay with your beliefs and I stay with mine.
We don't have to think same way.

And I didnt register here to debate politics. I want to chill out. So if you wanna talk about anything else, I would gladly but lets leave politics aside. We are staying were we are.

I know I won't convince the hardcore antisemites. I'm posting for the people sitting on the sidelines reading our exchange.

 

[TellusMoon]

I know I won't convince the hardcore antisemites. I'm posting for the people sitting on the sidelines reading our exchange.

Well that is your answer to everything, calling anti-semites to anyone not agreeing with you, isn't it?

Let me tell a shocking news: most people dont know what semite is. World dont goes around Israel or jews. You aren't that important.

And why do you need to convince people on sidelines if you are in the goid side? Humm. Maybe you know you are not, and you know you need propagand.

Bye Goebbels. I have better things to do.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Well that is your answer to everything, calling anti-semites to anyone not agreeing with you, isn't it?

Let me tell a shocking news: most people dont know what semite is. World dont goes around Israel or jews. You aren't that important.

And why do you need to convince people on sidelines if you are in the goid side? Humm. Maybe you know you are not, and you know you need propagand.

Bye Goebbels. I have better things to do.

The thread is about the war between Israel and Iran. If you don't want to talk about the Jews, please go away and leave us alone.

 

[TellusMoon]

The thread is about the war between Israel and Iran. If you don't want to talk about the Jews, please go away and leave us alone.

Stop killing civilians like they are chicken. Probably you treat chicken better.
Nice people get sympathy.

 

[icanhelp1]

Israel is bombing Iran purely out of self-interest. Iran has been calling for Israel to be destroyed for years and supporting attacks against it by Hamas and Hezbollah. Now that Hamas and Hezbollah are weakened, Israel is using the opportunity to settle matters with Iran and take out a dangerous enemy.

Freeing the Iranian people from a vicious theocratic regime is merely a nice side effect. A liberated secular Iran would be a natural ally to Israel because of the thousands of years of friendship between the Jews and the Persians.

Much like Beirut which was often referred to as the “Pearl of the Middle East”, a vacation spot for the rich and famous. Then the Lebanese civil war hit brought upon by religious and political instability, the PLO and the influx of Palestinian refugees.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Much like Beirut which was often referred to as the “Pearl of the Middle East”, a vacation spot for the rich and famous. Then the Lebanese civil war hit brought upon by religious and political instability, the PLO and the influx of Palestinian refugees.

With Hezbollah gone, there's no reason that Lebanon can't flourish again. I dream of a middle east with Israel standing tall flanked by its friends Lebanon and Iran.

 

[icanhelp1]

With Hezbollah gone, there's no reason that Lebanon can't flourish again. I dream of a middle east with Israel standing tall flanked by its friends Lebanon and Iran.

Hard to imagine a cosmopolitan Iran and Lebanon.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Hard to imagine a cosmopolitan Iran and Lebanon.

That's how they were decades ago--before fundamentalist Islam sunk its teeth in them.

 

[gxnn]

But then you still have India between you and . . . actually, there is nothing west of India that is a threat to China. Certainly not Israel. If it comes to war with the U.S., you'll be attacked from the east.

I saw a post by a retired PLA officer, saying that for the coming years China will not open any war with the small potatoes around it, if there must be a war, the target must be none other than the USA. He also advised that Russia should have attacked Alaska in 2022 rather than Ukraine, that when the US had been under fire, all European countries would have been pleased and become a good audience.

But, the world is not undergoing such a change. Unless you're talking about climate change.

You seemed to have forgotten the Covid-19 that killed many American people, the tariff war started by Trump, the current Los Angeles turmoil, the India-Pak conflict that took place in May 2025, the Russian-Ukraine War, the Hamas surprise attack in 2023, the ongoing Iran-Israel mutual airstrikes, etc.

 

[Rebel5soul]

I saw a post by a retired PLA officer, saying that for the coming years China will not open any war with the small potatoes around it, if there must be a war, the target must be none other than the USA. He also advised that Russia should have attacked Alaska in 2022 rather than Ukraine, that when the US had been under fire, all European countries would have been pleased and become a good audience.

You seemed to have forgotten the Covid-19 that killed many American people, the tariff war started by Trump, the current Los Angeles turmoil, the India-Pak conflict that took place in May 2025, the Russian-Ukraine War, the Hamas surprise attack in 2023, the ongoing Iran-Israel mutual airstrikes, etc.

How's Xi doing?

Losing Iran as a pawn is going to hurt in so many ways, right? That $400 billion BAT investment is down the drain and what with the sanctions off Iran you'll have to start paying market price for that oil. Collapse of the real estate market, now the EV market isn't looking so hot and the EU turning on you, damn, it's going to get ugly.

How restless are the natives going to get?

 

[RobDownSouth]

.....now the EV market isn't looking so hot and the EU turning on you, damn, it's going to get ugly.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, far away from the partisan feverswamp of an octogenarian coot:

​

Business Insider: China is selling loads of cars in Russia ​

China sold over one million electric vehicles to Russia in 2024, a seven-fold increase from 2022.

Chinese EVs are extraordinarily popular in Russia, for one very specific reason: The Chinese manufacturers use an older cheaper lithium battery technology that does exactly ONE thing very well - it reliably starts the motor in extremely cold Russian winters.

The EVs consist of nine "modules", if something breaks, you don't replace a part, you replace a "module', and they can swap out a module in less than a day.

Tonight would be an excellent night for you to die in your sleep, old man.

 

[Noor]

But the strong Israel cannot prevent Japan from discharging nuclear-polluted water into sea, the world remains unsafe or even more dangerous.
I hear Pakistan has offered support to Iran. In other words, Pakistan may have got the approval and real backup from the Eastern big country that once helped them down the Indian Rafale fighter jets.
The real show will begin, and we should find our seats and begin to eat the melon or popcorn as the case may be.

How do you know Israel can't do that?
I vote for melon.

 

[stxjimmy]

And we have exactly ONE person to blame for this: George W. Bush.

Iran was one of the more "liberal" places in the Middle East, and the Shah, eager to curry favor with the west, loosened the Shi'a death grip on religion there. Unfortunately the Shah's version of ICE (called SAVAK) became so authoritarian that people revolted, figuring anything was better than an authoritarian regime with a secret police army.

They were wrong. The rise of Ayatollah Khomeini was worse.

The Iranian youth, in particular, were strongly repressed for over 20 years, until American capitalism (Levis blue jeans in particular) weakened the grip of the Ayatollah and his religious fanatics.

Just when it looked like Iran might be on the cusp of modernization and moderation once again, along came 9/11.

George W. Bush decided to not punish Daddy's friends Saudi Arabia for their role in the 9/11 fuckup. and came up with the oh-so-great focus-tested mantra of labeling evildoers "the axis of evil". Proto-maga zealots (then known as "Compassionate conservatives) embraced the phrase and America had new reason to hate Iran, which didn't have jack shit to do with 9/11. The Israeli government strongly promoted this happy horseshit. and Iranians began to fear that the USA was going to drop nukes on them any day now.

Frightened people cling to religion, and Iranians re-embraced the mullahs in Iran. The mullahs realized how close they'd been to losing power and immediately clamped down on the general population

Alcohol and power don’t sit well, then and now.

 

[HisArpy]

You wont convice me, I wont convice you.
You stay with your beliefs and I stay with mine.
We don't have to think same way.

And I didnt register here to debate politics (Yes, I shouldnt replied to a political topic first place, my fault). I want to chill out. So if you wanna talk about anything else, I would gladly but lets leave politics aside. We are staying were we are.

dudly, this is the POLITICS forum. We talk about POLITICS here.

If you don't want to talk about POLITICS, go the fuck away and chill in the playground.

 

[ll74]

dudly, this is the POLITICS forum. We talk about POLITICS here.

Do you?

If you don't want to talk about POLITICS, go the fuck away and chill in the playground.

Lol