The Walking Dead

[gotsnowgotslush]

*planning to read this thread on Monday*

 

[Aquagal]

.....

 

[Sean Renaud]

I'm betting on Beth. After being utterly forgotten for multiple seasons they finally give us a reason to give a shit? No, that bitch is DEAD.

Brother Morgan needs to stop lollygagging already. I think the rule about you can only have X amount of black people on the show only qualifies if they are within a certain proximity. So Morgan keeping his distance means he doesn't count against quota.

Clever bastards!

 

[Skiddles2014]

I knew one of the two would die.

I figured it would be carol.

The opening scene was pretty cool.

 

[Wings]

The WD Facebook page posted a RIP Beth pic before the east coast show aired. Huge backlash was seen. That was pretty shitty.

 

[Libsam]

I'm so glad it wasn't Carol!!

 

[Libsam]

Not everyone will get this joke.

Bob's leg, it's like Wirt's Leg, everybody finds it. *chuckle*

 

[Wrong Element]

I don't know that they really did enough to differentiate the hospital from the other "safe havens that really aren't very safe," a well the show has now gone to three times in 2 1/2 seasons and probably now needs to abandon for good.

Didn't really like the hour much. Beth wasn't an irreplaceable character, but it seems like she died only because it was the midseason finale and they needed a climax, not because the plot made it necessary. Also, I don't buy that Hershel's daughter would ever attempt a premeditated murder, if that's even what she was trying to do with that teensy scissors. (For the series as a whole, it's much more interesting that Rick would kill someone who wasn't an immediate threat.)

 

[Sean Renaud]

I don't know that they really did enough to differentiate the hospital from the other "safe havens that really aren't very safe," a well the show has now gone to three times in 2 1/2 seasons and probably now needs to abandon for good.

Didn't really like the hour much. Beth wasn't an irreplaceable character, but it seems like she died only because it was the midseason finale and they needed a climax, not because the plot made it necessary. Also, I don't buy that Hershel's daughter would ever attempt a premeditated murder, if that's even what she was trying to do with that teensy scissors. (For the series as a whole, it's much more interesting that Rick would kill someone who wasn't an immediate threat.)

While I think the hospital was as well diferentiated as you could manage. I mean really aside from the various brands of true evil like Terminus what are you going to really do other than varying levels of competency and comfort to separate them?

She didn't attempt premeditated murder. She commited suicide by cop. Earlier in the episode and I'm paraphrasing she said "You use people to kill so you don't have to live with the consequences." Well she couldn't live with the consequences either but like a T-800 her religion prevents her from self terminating. So she put herself in the middle of a firefight that she honestly had no reason to believe would be as bloodless as it turned out but I presume the two people she wanted dead died.

 

[spacekowboy]

Rick has become the bad ass motherfucker that he was always meant to become.

Beth getting knocked off did indeed feel contrived. Much like Goose's death in Top Gun. Did it really need to happen? No it didn't. It felt like it was done just because we're expecting someone of the group to die.

 

[zipman]

I don't know that they really did enough to differentiate the hospital from the other "safe havens that really aren't very safe," a well the show has now gone to three times in 2 1/2 seasons and probably now needs to abandon for good.

Didn't really like the hour much. Beth wasn't an irreplaceable character, but it seems like she died only because it was the midseason finale and they needed a climax, not because the plot made it necessary. Also, I don't buy that Hershel's daughter would ever attempt a premeditated murder, if that's even what she was trying to do with that teensy scissors. (For the series as a whole, it's much more interesting that Rick would kill someone who wasn't an immediate threat.)

I liked the episode a lot. The show has to keep killing off characters to keep it realistic. I think they choose people not just because of themselves, but also because of how their deaths will affect others. In this case, it will be interesting to see how her death affects Maggie and Darryl.

As far as safe havens that aren't safe goes, I thought this was an interesting concept. Having to stay as a hostage to "pay back." There was a also a hierarchy introduced that we haven't seen before - people more and less important to the group have different rights.

Totally agree about Rick. He's gotten harder and more decisive. He's been getting less compassionate about outsiders for the last few seasons.

 

[zipman]

While I think the hospital was as well diferentiated as you could manage. I mean really aside from the various brands of true evil like Terminus what are you going to really do other than varying levels of competency and comfort to separate them?

She didn't attempt premeditated murder. She commited suicide by cop. Earlier in the episode and I'm paraphrasing she said "You use people to kill so you don't have to live with the consequences." Well she couldn't live with the consequences either but like a T-800 her religion prevents her from self terminating. So she put herself in the middle of a firefight that she honestly had no reason to believe would be as bloodless as it turned out but I presume the two people she wanted dead died.

I don't think it was suicide by cop. I think she just felt that she had to do it. She changed at the hospital and it showed.

 

[zipman]

Rick has become the bad ass motherfucker that he was always meant to become.

Beth getting knocked off did indeed feel contrived. Much like Goose's death in Top Gun. Did it really need to happen? No it didn't. It felt like it was done just because we're expecting someone of the group to die.

But people from the group have to keep dying just as new people need to keep being added. It's a post-apocalyptic world full of zombies and other people trying to survive at all costs. It would be unbelievable and boring if they all live for the rest of the show.

 

[Libsam]

Rick has become the bad ass motherfucker that he was always meant to become.

I lOve this Rick!

p.s. I thought about you during the show SKB, the scene where Ricks pulls out his python.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I don't think it was suicide by cop. I think she just felt that she had to do it. She changed at the hospital and it showed.

Then why the speech about how the chick she killed didn't have to live with the consequences of her actions? That's what we writers call foreshadowing and it was pretty fucking blatant where I'm sitting.

 

[spacekowboy]

But people from the group have to keep dying just as new people need to keep being added. It's a post-apocalyptic world full of zombies and other people trying to survive at all costs. It would be unbelievable and boring if they all live for the rest of the show.

I certainly agree with that. It just felt like they threw it in as an afterthought. With Hershel you knew it was bound to happen because the Governor wad blinded by bloodlust. This didn't seem as there was a purpose.

I would rather have seen Sasha join Bob in the great hereafter because she tap dances on my nerves just like Andrea did.

 

[spacekowboy]

I lOve this Rick!

p.s. I thought about you during the show SKB, the scene where Ricks pulls out his python.

If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times... You cant go wrong with a man that wears a python on his hip.

 

[Wrong Element]

While I think the hospital was as well diferentiated as you could manage. I mean really aside from the various brands of true evil like Terminus what are you going to really do other than varying levels of competency and comfort to separate them?

She didn't attempt premeditated murder. She commited suicide by cop. Earlier in the episode and I'm paraphrasing she said "You use people to kill so you don't have to live with the consequences." Well she couldn't live with the consequences either but like a T-800 her religion prevents her from self terminating. So she put herself in the middle of a firefight that she honestly had no reason to believe would be as bloodless as it turned out but I presume the two people she wanted dead died.

I never quite got what the hospital was all about. I assume (though this was never officially confirmed) that they lied about how Beth was brought there. They needed a supply of women to keep the male cops satisfied and non-mutinous. It's pure Lord of the Flies. But at the same time, there was some actual medical work taking place, and a lot of effort put into making everyone believe that there was some higher purpose besides just physical safety. It was a prison where no one would admit it was a prison, and I'm not sure what the point of that was. I am possibly not making myself very clear.

What we saw of Terminus in the little flashbacks in the season premiere was more interesting -- that it had at one time been altruistic, but changed after it was overrun. The Termites came to believe that the only way to live now was to become even badder than the bad guys. Rick seems to be moving in that direction now. Notice that the least cynical and hardcore in the group are the ones who keep dying: Dale, Hershel, Bob, and now Beth.

As for Beth, I'm not sure why she came to the prisoner swap "armed." She would have had no chance to sneak up on anyone from behind and stab them in the neck, and at any rate that wasn't even necessary for her to be released. It sure looked like Beth was ready to walk away with Rick and the rest ... until the demand came to hand over Noah. That smug "I knew you'd come back" lit a fuse in her.

If Beth really did have a death wish, it wasn't spelled out nearly well enough.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Oh, I concur that she died for no good reason other than to free up cast space. I'm saying after the seeing how Dawn manipulates others to get them to kill for her, Beth calling her on it and admitting her guilt and then attacking her in a non-fatal way in between two groups of people with guns?! She's not stupid.

Some people on TV tropes have suggested that Carol might have been out of it the entire time and never informed her that her sister wasn't dead. Which adds to my Suicide by Cop.

 

[Aquagal]

Come on you cold hearted GBers, fess up who wasn't boo hooing along with me and Daryl.

 

[spacekowboy]

Come on you cold hearted GBers, fess up who wasn't boo hooing along with me and Daryl.

I wasn't. I could see it coming. Perhaps if they had done it better...

I was more upset by Hershel getting the axe.


Or sword, as it were.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I never quite got what the hospital was all about. I assume (though this was never officially confirmed) that they lied about how Beth was brought there. They needed a supply of women to keep the male cops satisfied and non-mutinous. It's pure Lord of the Flies. But at the same time, there was some actual medical work taking place, and a lot of effort put into making everyone believe that there was some higher purpose besides just physical safety. It was a prison where no one would admit it was a prison, and I'm not sure what the point of that was. I am possibly not making myself very clear.

What we saw of Terminus in the little flashbacks in the season premiere was more interesting -- that it had at one time been altruistic, but changed after it was overrun. The Termites came to believe that the only way to live now was to become even badder than the bad guys. Rick seems to be moving in that direction now. Notice that the least cynical and hardcore in the group are the ones who keep dying: Dale, Hershel, Bob, and now Beth.

As for Beth, I'm not sure why she came to the prisoner swap "armed." She would have had no chance to sneak up on anyone from behind and stab them in the neck, and at any rate that wasn't even necessary for her to be released. It sure looked like Beth was ready to walk away with Rick and the rest ... until the demand came to hand over Noah. That smug "I knew you'd come back" lit a fuse in her.

If Beth really did have a death wish, it wasn't spelled out nearly well enough.

Sorry I missed this. I don't remember the first episode of the Hospital. You're probably not entirely wrong that they needed women to keep the men inline but they didn't really seem rapey. However Dawn makes it sound like they need personnel and might have either not seen Daryl or correctly surmised that keeping him in control would be extremely difficult. Same reason I think if Daryl had wandered up on Woodberry alone the Governor would have taken him out, same as he didn't bring back those military guys. You need people you can control in your camp. And yes it was a prison. I suspect to a certain degree you have to run these things like prisons. We like to think that you should have freedom but the reality is in a zombie apocalypse I need someone to guard while I sleep, someone to gather food and water. So on and so forth. If my personell needs are not being met I can't let you go and in some cases like the Farm or the Prison (where they had a farm completely with pigs) I can't let you go because you might come back with others. It sucks but it has to be that way.

The Termites snapped and with good reason. I think they rationalized it as "we have to be badder than the bad guys" but I think the truth is that they were just insane after what happened to them. Think about all the other survivors we've met, they've either been nomadic (like that group in Season 2 must have been) or you had to stumble over them to find them.) Terminus had (and I'm being a bit low as far as my military and Boy Scout experience tells me determined people can travel in a day and admitting I'm not sure about the time frames between the multiple groups) signs that must have been out twenty miles or more in every direction. A goddamn beacon of goodness. And it bit them hard.

I agree it wasn't spelled out nearly well enough and maybe suicide by cop is a strong term for it. I'm quite certain after the exchange of "You manipulate others into killing so you don't have to live with the consequences" that when she came back to dawn she was planning on manipulating others into killing Dawn for her. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that what she whispered was "This is how things work here." Now maybe she didn't plan to die, maybe she wasn't thinking at all at that point.

Also why doesn't everybody hate noah? And can we get Terry Cruise to come save us?

Come on you cold hearted GBers, fess up who wasn't boo hooing along with me and Daryl.

I wasn't because like Pharaoh I hardened my heart when the writers started trying force me to give a shit.

 

[zipman]

Then why the speech about how the chick she killed didn't have to live with the consequences of her actions? That's what we writers call foreshadowing and it was pretty fucking blatant where I'm sitting.

LMAO at "that's what we writers call foreshadowing."

Who knew you had a sense of humor?

 

[Fata Morgana]

Well fuck me Reilly how right was I?

 

[Fata Morgana]

Beth was nothing in the first three seasons. I think they built her up to pull her down. The writers knew it would be great Daryl fodder too.

Oh and it was Maggie screaming that made me tear up. Daryl's bulging arm muscles on the roof had me moist in other areas.