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The Vietnam Protestor And The Kneeling Athlete Are The Same
I see someone who is exercising our democracy’s prime directive.
09/24/2017 04:31 pm ET Updated 4 days ago
Jim Moore
The American flag at dawn off the stern of a paddle wheel boat on the Mississippi River near Baton Rouge

A few weeks ago, in the run-up to the PBS airing of Ken Burns’ documentary on Vietnam, I was asked by several friends for my opinion on that period of time in which the United States was being whipsawed emotionally, politically, financially, and, most important, mortally, by our involvement in the war.

On the surface, their requests seemed reasonable, given my personal and professional credentials: I was a military brat, son of a West Pointer; I was a college student in the late 1960s, on a campus that had its share of pro- and anti-war organizations; I was a journalist/photojournalist who covered several of the Washington anti-war marches and the race riots of 1968, and I continued to cover the military well into the 1980s; and I eventually served for more than 30 years in government, on the House and Senate Veterans committees, and in the executive branch under four presidents, principally as a senior-level staff member—speechwriter to four Secretaries—in the Department of Veterans Affairs.

In the course of my work for and with veterans, I had the distinct honor to know men and women whose bravery and sacrifice humbled me every day. Even now, thanks to social media, I look with wonder at the names of Vietnam veterans and journalists who are legends, heroes, and wounded warriors, and who were gracious enough to accept my friend requests, or who invited me to be their friends.

These are just facts of a long life here in Washington, D.C., facts that pale in comparison to the career contributions of so many other men and women whose life’s orbits occasional cross mine.

I understand why a career arc like mine might encourage friends and colleagues to ask my opinion on the Vietnam war. And I understand why so many them would question my reluctance to share an opinion. It is my habit to demure on offering opinions about things of which I have little experience or no personal investment—either as a participant, or as a knowledgeable spectator—because such opinions are of little value in debates of real substance.

But then I started watch the Burns’ documentary, and, at the same time, watched professional athletes come under fire from a disruptive, unethical, and immoral president, and so many things began happening inside me that my internal worldview began to morph. A door opened.

My ‘ah-ha’ moment was not sparked by the Vietnam series; it came about as I watched the kneeling that that is taking place in our athletic arenas, and president Trump’s response to them. It is his continued moral infirmity and the reactions of his team of sneering, hubris-filled suits he has surrounded himself with that broke this reluctant camel’s back.

It is clear that I—and many Americans—do have a personal investment in the events and outcomes of a war painted inaccurately at the time by the blood-soaked brushes of leaders whose moral palettes did not contain the right colors, e.g., truth, candor, clarity of purpose, admission of failure, accountability, shame, sorrow, guilt, and responsibility to the fallen and their families. No, the Vietnam War isn’t over, because the painting is not yet dry for so many Americans, and I’m not sure it will dry in my lifetime.

America’s leaders of both parties have been unable to shake a very bad habit: lying. That’s not revelation, to be sure, but addressing it and calling it out by name has taken on a new urgency in a world that is divided and hostile here at home and abroad.

What’s more, too many of our leaders compound their lies with ignorance, impenetrable rationalizations, hiding behind shields of scripted spokespersons, and establishing media alliances all-too-eager to take the proffered bags of silver in exchange for ratings.

There is no difference between the Vietnam protester and the kneeling athlete. Most Vietnam protesters I knew—some of them close friends—did not question the strength or purpose of the overarching fabric of the Constitution—a blood-stained cloth, hand-stitched imperfectly, by the Founders. What the protesters objected to was the willful back-room repurposing of that sacred weave by leaders who tried to justify their immoral decisions by wrapping their mistakes in the very cloth that defined their role in government. That’s not responsible governance; that’s cowardice. It’s shameful. And it took the lives of 58,000 Americans, and left hundreds of thousands more—families, friends, colleagues—broken in sorrow.

When I see an athlete taking a knee during the National Anthem, I don’t see a disrespectful citizen; I see someone who is exercising our democracy’s prime directive: “You are allowed to express yourself peacefully without fear of reprisal.” If the First Amendment had a mantra, that would be it. There is even an essay on its value that every American should take time to read: Letter from Birmingham Jail, by Martin Luther King, Jr.

What do the kneelers have to protest? Here’s a short list of what our newly-unenlighted government is too self-involved to take on: Racism, bigotry, inequality, injustice, lives ignored, lives taken senselessly, poverty, homelessness, religious persecution, xenophobia, unequal education, unaffordable medical care, no medical care, disdain for those who are physically or mentally disabled, soaring drug abuse, senior abuse, child abuse, human trafficking, climate change, and global responsibilities that would fill another page.

Vietnam’s aftershocks continue as still-rolling waves of discontent and disaffection rising and falling on the shores of our national conscience. To those who say, “Let it go. The damn war is over,” I say, no, the war is not yet over, it has begun anew. Its first shots were heard in November 2016, and they continue to ring loud and mercilessly upon the sensibilities of every American who once dreamed of a day when the echoes of Vietnam would truly fade away, to be muted by the sounds of comity, friendship, and peace. I am one of those Americans, and that is my opinion.
 
The true Americans run Indian casinos. All others are immigrants of varying legality.

David Wohl: Taking a knee is the same as flipping a middle finger at the flag.
Just look at this fucking scumbag.

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Ah, the Vietnam protestor...the great unwashed masses. Never seem to blame the Democrats though. Liberals make such great sacrifices. You're a hero just for starting this thread.
 
The true Americans run Indian casinos. All others are immigrants of varying legality.

Just look at this fucking scumbag.

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I assume you're being sarcastic about General Washington, but you never know with liberals these days.

Ah, immigration. The native Americans as they're called came across a landbridge and slaughtered and enslaved the inhabitants of North American....Time passes the Europeans do the same thing, but they take ships. Now it's an invasion and genocide. I guess the issue is how you get here.
 
I assume you're being sarcastic about General Washington, but you never know with liberals these days.

Ah, immigration. The native Americans as they're called came across a landbridge and slaughtered and enslaved the inhabitants of North American....Time passes the Europeans do the same thing, but they take ships. Now it's an invasion and genocide. I guess the issue is how you get here.

Say what?

There were inhabitants there before they crossed the land bridge?
 
It gets dangerous, real fast, when one side starts defining "True Americans".
Yup. And the alt.right definition excludes blacks, browns, reds, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, atheists, liberals, and women who want to control their own bodies.

Say what?

There were inhabitants there before they crossed the land bridge?
Sure, Atlanteans or Nephilim or some such were boots-on-the-ground in the Americas. Probably got there by antigravity or teleportation etc. Then those Asiatic thugs immigrated illegally across the land bridge, beheld the superior civilizations confronting them, and slaughtered and ate the prior inhabitants. That's why Aztec pyramids are built for human sacrifices. And why the Hopi name for the Navaho is "skull-splitters" because that's what Navaho thugs did to Hopis they found.

See, it's all alt.logical. Work it out. With a pencil. Like a constipated mathematician.
 
Hypoxia,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamanite

In the Book of Mormon's narrative, the Lamanites began as wicked rivals to the more righteous Nephites, but when the Nephite civilization became decadent it lost divine favor and was destroyed by the Lamanites.
:D
 
alt.right logic?

Ah, the Vietnam protestor...the great unwashed masses. Never seem to blame the Democrats though. Liberals make such great sacrifices. You're a hero just for starting this thread.

if you had any knowledge of history you would know that the vietnam protestors included intellectuals, clergy and entertainment figures from around the world.....the great unwashed masses? if you can't argue with their stance, belittle them as fearless leader does.

and, i'm old enough that i was part of the peace protests. ever hear of LBJ? the left was so much harder on him than on our faux president. "Hey, hey LBJ! How many kids did you kill today?" LBJ was so upset that he had insomnia from watching out of the white house windows.....then the execrable nixon, in response to the largest demonstration up to that time, watched football instead of the protestors after his secret escalation of the war was exposed.

ever hear of the chicago democratic convention riots?

the left blames whoever is responsible instead of the republican practice of blaming whoever is available beside themselves.
 
rae121452,

and the Vietnam war ends.

In a U.S. loss after Nixon tried like hell to win it, including lying to everyone, including the U.S. public, about what we were doing there. (I was in the government, working on Southeast Asia at the time).
 
if you had any knowledge of history you would know that the vietnam protestors included intellectuals, clergy and entertainment figures from around the world.....the great unwashed masses? if you can't argue with their stance, belittle them as fearless leader does.

and, i'm old enough that i was part of the peace protests. ever hear of LBJ? the left was so much harder on him than on our faux president. "Hey, hey LBJ! How many kids did you kill today?" LBJ was so upset that he had insomnia from watching out of the white house windows.....then the execrable nixon, in response to the largest demonstration up to that time, watched football instead of the protestors after his secret escalation of the war was exposed.

ever hear of the chicago democratic convention riots?

the left blames whoever is responsible instead of the republican practice of blaming whoever is available beside themselves.



You might want to consider proofreading and spell check before you post it will make you look less stupid. I know who makes up the antiwar crowd and isn't my fault the liberals and soap don't mix.

Your old congratulations not everyone gets's to accomplish that. I'm sorry the left is just whining this time around, but take hope many are breaking things and posting things online and rioting on a small scale. LBJ was can thank for the great society, and the mess that's made of the country. President Nixon won two terms and made the mistake of trying to win the war. For the record, if you understood history you'd know Vietnam was lost after the USA pulled out of the country. North Vietnam kept pushing as they found the US wasn't following through with support promised in the treaty. President Ford (you know who that is right) begged Congress for support and the Democrats walked out.

Yes, Chicago where protestors didn't get what they wanted so they broke things until the Chicago police department restored order. Because of that behavior when Nixon came to the city he was welcomed with open arms.


The left is no better, but if you want an emotional response rather than intelligent one vote Democrat. Neither party has taken a hard look at themselves or simply done what's right for the country instead of what is right for the party. It's lunatics like you that think they have the moral high ground are so funny.

I respect those who fought, I respect those who never went but lived their lives, I'll never respect people like you.
 
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Yup. And the alt.right definition excludes blacks, browns, reds, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, atheists, liberals, and women who want to control their own bodies.

Sure, Atlanteans or Nephilim or some such were boots-on-the-ground in the Americas. Probably got there by antigravity or teleportation etc. Then those Asiatic thugs immigrated illegally across the land bridge, beheld the superior civilizations confronting them, and slaughtered and ate the prior inhabitants. That's why Aztec pyramids are built for human sacrifices. And why the Hopi name for the Navaho is "skull-splitters" because that's what Navaho thugs did to Hopis they found.

See, it's all alt.logical. Work it out. With a pencil. Like a constipated mathematician.



I say you can't be this stupid, but you prove it with every post. I will read the real science while you try to mock me. Human history is still very interesting even with people like you in it.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/09/0903_030903_bajaskull.html

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/13/clovis_not_first_says_paisley_caves_excrement/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...s-from-europe-discovered-america-7447152.html

But there is a different point of view which is interesting as well.

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20170328-the-first-people-who-populated-the-americas
 
You might want to consider proofreading and spell check before you post it will make you less stupid. I know who makes up the antiwar crowd and isn't my fault the liberals and soap don't mix.

Your old congratulations not everyone gets's to accomplish that. I'm sorry the left is just whining this time around, but take hope many are breaking things and posting things online and rioting on a small scale. LBJ was can thank for the great society, and the mess that's made of the country. President Nixon won two terms and made the mistake of trying to win the war. For the record, if you understood history you'd know Vietnam was lost after the USA pulled out of the country. North Vietnam kept pushing as they found the US wasn't following through with support promised in the treaty. President Ford (you know who that is right) begged Congress for support and the Democrats walked out.

Yes, Chicago where protestors didn't get what they wanted so they broke things until the Chicago police department restored order. Because of that behavior when Nixon came to the city he was welcomed with open arms.


The left is no better, but if you want an emotional response rather than intelligent one vote Democrat. Neither party has taken a hard look at themselves or simply done what's right for the country instead of what is right for the party. It's lunatics like you that think they have the moral high ground are so funny.

I respect those who fought, I respect those who never went but lived their lives, I'll never respect people like you.

You might want to consider proofreading and spell check before you post it will make you less stupid.
 
You might want to consider proofreading and spell check before you post it will make you less stupid.



So no intelligent reply coming, so you are going to repeat back what I said to show that you caught a minor error. Doesn't make you right. Did I hurt your feelings, old man?
 
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