The Search For Noah's Ark

[watergirl]

another good one.

Somehow, mysteries of our own planet are so much more interesting to me than all the goofy space alien things.

Anyone else read Voyage of the Kon-tiki?

Great great book.

 

[Ljbonobo]

OK......

Just about every major culture that was around at the time of Noah and the ark had a flood story. In fact I believe there is a flood story either mentioned or alluded to in the epic of Gilgamesh.

To me as a Roman Catholic it means absolutely jack and shit whether that spot is Noah's Ark. It does not matter in the least. I feel the Bible to be a collection of myths. Not myths like the Grimms fairy tales or Urban myths but myths nonetheless. Myths based upon historical fact but with a religious and historical and cultural connotation of the people that wrote them. To me its the meaning behind the story, the fact that if you listen to God and such you will be saved that matters. Finding a few pieces of ?thousand year old wood means jack and crap in that arena.

 

[Thrillhouse]

As weird as it might sound, I think its pretty much accepted that Atlantis exsisted in some form.

Accepted by whom?

http://skepdic.com/atlantis.html

 

[watergirl]

Thrillhouse -

Accepted by me, for one. Although that hardly makes it "generally accepted," I know.

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

Immanuel Velikovsky did some of the most extensive studies of ancient texts as historically accurate documents. His conclusion was that the events described did occur, but that the ancients distorted the events and wrapped the facts with otherworldly or mystical interpretations.

There is mounting evidence that the Straits of Bosphorus were closed in ancient times and what is now the Black Sea was a huge basin well below sea level. Much like the United States Death Valley is today.

Erosion or perhaps an earthquake caused a rupture in the neck of land that now is the Straits of Bosphorus allowing the Mediterranean to flood the basin that is now the Black Sea. The indications are that this was a catastrophic event.

Now that has nothing to do with Noah's Ark and it's improbable that the back wave ever reached Mt. Ararat. But that is a flood of Biblical proportions that would surely be remembered for centuries. And the effects would be generally noted throughout the Mediterranean area.

Ishmael

\Grrrr...thanks, man, this is exactly what I was talking about.

 

[Lancecastor]

another good one.

Somehow, mysteries of our own planet are so much more interesting to me than all the goofy space alien things.

Anyone else read Voyage of the Kon-tiki?

Great great book.

Was that the Thor Hyerdhal deal with the reed boat? Yeah!
http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/thor/images/kon-tiki.jpg

I saw the movie when it first came out ten million years ago.

 

[mig]

I'm not much for the Ark but there is a lot of support for a
catastrophic flood.

try Google.

http://www.trussel.com/prehist/news165.html

 

[watergirl]

"I saw the movie when it first came out ten million years ago."
-Lancecastor


There's a movie? Neat!!!!

 

[Coolville]

I thought Atlantis was supposed to be located where the Canary Islands are now. The seven main islands being the seven peaks. Saw a doc. about some scientists looking for proof.

As for the Flood... the Hopi Indians have a flood legend built into their culture. Their ancestors, who were animals or spirits, were forced underground by this flood and went hungry, having to tighten their belts and ending up as ants.

Okay, the Hopi's are much more poetic about it than I am... but they have a flood thing going on...

 

[Coolville]

Was that the Thor Hyerdhal deal with the reed boat? Yeah!
I saw the movie when it first came out ten million years ago.

Thor Heyerdahl was an amazing adventurer but his whole Kon-tiki theory has never held water (kind of like his reed boat!). It was his swan song but he was bitter that when subsequent researchers took up the challenge, they disproved him on most points.

He died last year... or recently, in any case.

 

[Coolville]

Some refugee Knights (and their treasure?) were welcomed by the powerful St Clairs of Scotland, and under Prince Henry Sinclair, participated in trans Atlantic voyages that resulted in a settlement in Nova Scotia in 1398.

"allegedly" participated in trans-Atlantic voyages.
There are tales about Irish munks heading west, too.

So far, the only proof is that the Vikings made it - around 1000 AD. There's a national park in Canada where they settled.

They would have spread the word about this land to the west and others would have made the dash, but sadly no proof exists.

Re. the vikings, Farley Mowatt's book West Viking is fascinating.

 

[Lancecastor]

"allegedly" participated in trans-Atlantic voyages.
There are tales about Irish munks heading west, too.

So far, the only proof is that the Vikings made it - around 1000 AD. There's a national park in Canada where they settled.

They would have spread the word about this land to the west and others would have made the dash, but sadly no proof exists.

Re. the vikings, Farley Mowatt's book West Viking is fascinating.

The Scottish Stuart kings had a castle on the highest point on the mainland of the province of Nova Scotia during the time they were allied with the French against the Brits in carving up the New World.

~~~~~~

The presence of a Norse longhouse sized foundation and tips of broadswords carbon-dated to Viking times in fire pits on that same hill is further proof that the Vikings, nomadic, seasonal people that they were, had camps not only in Newfoundland but in Nova Scotia as well. Some evidence suggests they roamed as far south as Virginia.

 

[Coolville]

The Scottish Stuart kings had a castle on the highest point on the mainland of the province of Nova Scotia during the time they were allied with the French against the Brits in carving up the New World.

~~~~~~

The presence of a Norse longhouse sized foundation and tips of broadswords carbon-dated to Viking times in fire pits on that same hill is further proof that the Vikings, nomadic, seasonal people that they were, had camps not only in Newfoundland but in Nova Scotia as well. Some evidence suggests they roamed as far south as Virginia.

Fair enough on point 1, but you mentioned 1378 as the date. which was what I was taking issue with.

There is little doubt the Vikings made it farther south, but proof has been lacking. Got a link to the Nova Scotia site?

Editing to add: Nomadic, seasonal people... the vikings? That would be incorrect. The Vikings were settlers primarily. When they moved into Britain, they set up towns and markets and trading posts. In Greenland, they ventured out hunting, but maintained permanent settlements.
No nomad action.

(not an agressive "Got a link!!??" accusation, but rather a "I'm interested" got a link... Capite?

 

[Lancecastor]

Fair enough on point 1, but you mentioned 1378 as the date. which was what I was taking issue with.

There is little doubt the Vikings made it farther south, but proof has been lacking. Got a link to the Nova Scotia site?

Editing to add: Nomadic, seasonal people... the vikings? That would be incorrect. The Vikings were settlers primarily. When they moved into Britain, they set up towns and markets and trading posts. In Greenland, they ventured out hunting, but maintained permanent settlements.
No nomad action.

(not an agressive "Got a link!!??" accusation, but rather a "I'm interested" got a link... Capite?

The land in question is privately owned by the Masons.

So, no, there's no web reference. I have a book on the site and have been to it many times, as it's down the road from my cottage. You have to ask to get on the land and they have a guest book you must show ID before signing...people have visited from all over the world, as some believe the Grail is there.

But, if you like historic mysteries, punch "oak island mystery" into google and go from there.

Oak Island guards the Gold River, which is where this hill is located. Some think that the Knights Templar built the Money Pit...but at any rate, it's interesting reading.

Lance

 

[District Line]

Interesting thread.

Atlantis

Another candidate theory is that the Atlantis of myth was based on the real city of Helike in ancient Greece. Located on the coast, it suffered a massive earthquake and was lost to the sea.

Some info about archaeological work going on there:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2001/helike.shtml



Flood Myths - Noah, Gilgamesh

I think some posters have referred to this interesting theory, put forward by two professors of geology from Columbia University, William Ryan and Walter Pitman.

They believe that more than 7000 years ago, what is now the Black Sea was a dry basin blow sea level. As European glaciers melted and sea levels rose, the basin was flooded by the Mediteranean sea.

It's thought that it was this catastrophic event that was origin of various ancient flood myths in nearby regions.

Support is growing for this theory as marine explorations have uncovered what seems to be evidence of pre-historic human habitation.

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/news/00/09/blacksea.html

 

[Lancecastor]

Fair enough on point 1, but you mentioned 1378 as the date. which was what I was taking issue with.

Have a look at these:

http://www.electricscotland.com/history/kt11.htm

http://sinclair2.quarterman.org/zolo/halifax2000feb27.html

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/5418/clansinclair2.html

http://www.tsj.org/sancto.htm

http://www.templartreasure.com/phs.htm

Lance

 

[Lancecastor]

Noah was instructed by God to save his family and the world's animals during a great flood that would cover the Earth. To do so, Noah built a large vessel, an ark. What followed was a pouring rain lasting 40 days and 40 nights. According to the Book of Genesis, as the Great Flood receded, the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat.

1949 Photo
http://www.space.com/images/1949-f6_BIGAD.jpg

Aircraft imagery of Mount Ararat taken in June of that year and analyzed by U.S. intelligence officials includes a unique feature at the 15,500-foot level on the Northwestern Plateau. Then in 1973 and 1976, through the lenses of classified satellites, this "whatever-it-is" also purportedly stirred up the same community.

"It's called the 'Ararat Anomaly'," said Porcher Taylor, an assistant professor at the University of Richmond in Virginia, and an expert in satellite imaging diplomacy and the news media. He has been gathering evidence on the novel feature since 1993, including a set of those 1949 aerial shots of the area, now declassified.

Taylor said that arguments have erupted within intelligence circles for decades as to what truly has been seen on Mount Ararat.

"Debates center on whether or not it's a strange rock formation, a crashed airplane, perhaps a fortress or some other structure hundreds of years old … or maybe something more interesting of potentially biblical proportions," Taylor told SPACE.com. Certain individuals in the know, he added, believe what is visible in certain satellite pictures is the bow of a ship sticking out of a glacier.

http://www******.com/scienceastronomy/planetearth/noahs_ark_010823-1.html