The Ronald Reagan America Does Not Want To See

[cg_allstar]

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[woody54]

Yes, I read it, and I refrained from saying that Reagans actions in supporting these people like he did, could be described your current Preident(sic) as suporting terrorism.

The view from here would be that the best president in the last half century was Clinton, with the current one being by far the worst.

From a world view, Clinton was by far the best President of recent time in that he restricted the heavy hand of his military even though he is as committed to world domination as the rest of them. Add to that the man has real charisma and can fuck you over and make you feel grateful.... and he is so smart.

George Bush is a gomer by comparison.

Reagan had the other George Bush and his cronies crooks orchestrating genocides for dollars. These are the real terrorists in the world, the ones hidden under the cloth of legitimacy of major powers whoooo exploit the weak for their resources.
Notably, Al Qaeda has seen the dark side of US influences closely aligned with and assisting in its development in the past only to have the monster emerge to protect its territory from the evil parent. The construct of a war on Terror is in essence different branches of the CIA fighting each other, one open and one underground. The hegalian concept of achieving a new one world government reality is greatly aided by such deceit.

 

[MisterEdMe]

Well, since this thread continues, let's stoke the fire a bit:

"If there has to be a bloodbath, then let's get it over with." - Regarding the student protests at Berkeley, S.F. Chronicle, May 15, 1969

"Because Vietnam was not a declared war, the veterans are not even eligible for the G.I. Bill of Rights with respect to education or anything." - Newsweek, April 21, 1980

"In the 38th chapter of Ezekiel, it says that the land of Israel will come under attack by the armies of the ungodly nations, and it says that Libya will be among them. Do you understand the significance of that? Libya has now gone Communist, and that's a sign that the day of Armageddon isn't far off.
"Biblical scholars have been saying for generations that Gog must be Russia. What other powerful nation is to the north of Israel? None. But it didn't seem to make sense before the Russian revolution, when Russia was a Christian country. Now it does, now that Russia has become communistic and atheistic, now that Russia has set itself against God. Now it fits the description of Gog perfectly.

"For the first time ever, everything is in place for the battle of Armageddon and the Second Coming of Christ. It can't be too long now. Ezekiel says that fire and brimstone will be rained upon the enemies of God's people. That must mean that they will be destroyed by nuclear weapons." - At a 1971 banquet for California state senator James Mills

Good stuff, but I don't see how it fits this thread. Everyone seems to be bumping away and reaching for something I'm sure this thread was not intended for. And I, for one, am not gonna stay here and try to solve the world's problems. Nor 'jump' to subjects I have no interest in at this time. Have fun Kids. I got some flirting to do.

 

[MisterEdMe]

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Thanks for the humour. I needed that.

 

[tim66]

Reagan = Greatest President EVER!

I would love for you or someone else to elaborate on what he did that was great. Reagan better than Washington, Lincoln, FDR, Teddy Roosevelt. Those names come to mind. I believe you defended the statement by saying best in your lifetime which is probably what you should have said if that is what you meant.

1. I see Reagan running up a bunch of debt and eliminating consumer safetey programs like meat inspection. He shifted that responsibility to the meat packers. Like foxes guarding the henhouse. Scares me everytime I have a beef product because of mad cow. US does the least for inspecting this of any country. Mad cow willbe rampant among Americans in 20 years as a result.
2. Reagan grew the govt .
3. Reagan violated the law by giving arms to Iran and funneling profits to fund the the Contras.
4. USSR did collapse in 1991. A lot of people attribute that to Reagan. I dont think that is true. The USSR was going to collapse whether there was an arms race or not. Maybe he hastened it. Was the fall of the USSR a good thing? The US and USSR split the world basically and each kept their allies under control. All these nationalist, religous and ethnic forces were contained for the most part. I think the world is far more dangerous now than during the Cold War.
5. Rich got richer and poor got poorer under Reagan.
6. Lastly and his most long standing achievement was to indoctrinate Americans that govt was evil and to be hated. We see this today in Bush.

I just dont get why Reagan is considered great. His supposed greatest achievement was to spend a lot of money on weapons to bankrupt the USSR
That does not take great intelligence, imagination or will. Arms races have occurred time after time to try to gain an advantage. Comparing his achievements to other truely great president's his achievments just does not stack up. Being President is more than giving speeches and being a cheerleader.

 

[woody54]

Well, Woody. I don't know where you are from, but if you are an American, then I would be taking the same bullet for you. My President represents my beloved country. And if you think me a fool for willingly defending my country, then so be it. At least I love it and embrace it in spite of its faults. I'm not a fucking statesman, I'm just your average blue collar guy who believe what he believes and is loyal to his country. And I for one, would never sink so low as to discredit or call deceased persons any names. Even my enemies. The past is the past. Its over and you can't bring it back.

I am not American so dont have this inane lemming grounding of patriotism that would require this constant thinking about dying for your country , particularly when there is no instance in history where the defense of mainland America has ever been in question.

I applaud your love and commitment to your country but you have lost the plot about human life and achievement is meant to be about.

History is full of facts and commentary about people who have died and correct me if i am wrong but there is more negative reporting than positive. This is an indictment of what men do to other men predominantly to achieve power and wealth.
Reagan is not immune by death.

 

[woody54]

Scares me everytime I have a beef product because of mad cow. US does the least for inspecting this of any country. Mad cow will be rampant among Americans in 20 years as a result.

As an aside in this thread, the supermarket demand for CO treatment of packaged meat to improve shelf life and redness will, in time result in major health implications in a similar fashion to Mad Cow because CO is very toxic to humans... so why would you add it to the food chain?

 

[MisterEdMe]

I am not American so dont have this inane lemming grounding of patriotism that would require this constant thinking about dying for your country , particularly when there is no instance in history where the defense of mainland America has ever been in question.

I applaud your love and commitment to your country but you have lost the plot about human life and achievement is meant to be about.

History is full of facts and commentary about people who have died and correct me if i am wrong but there is more negative reporting than positive. This is an indictment of what men do to other men predominantly to achieve power and wealth.
Reagan is not immune by death.

Woody, I do agree w/you on so many things. MOst particularly Bill Clinton and The current president. And Clinton was so sadly, unecessarily disgraced. He did a lot of good for the U.S. at home. Sadly, I didn't give him a chance at first, but I loved him once he was in office. And I won't deny the fact that my country has done some terrible things out of selfishness, but is my home. Reagan, I know, wasn't the angel I wish him to have been, but he did inspire me. Perhaps I simply believe in the IDEALS that formed my country and what it aspires to be. I have to believe in something greater than me or else life just isn't worth living. Hopefully we will talk on a better subject in the future. Have fun. ONce again, I'm off this thread.

 

[woody54]

Woody, I do agree w/you on so many things. MOst particularly Bill Clinton and The current president. And Clinton was so sadly, unecessarily disgraced. He did a lot of good for the U.S. at home. Sadly, I didn't give him a chance at first, but I loved him once he was in office. And I won't deny the fact that my country has done some terrible things out of selfishness, but is my home. Reagan, I know, wasn't the angel I wish him to have been, but he did inspire me. Perhaps I simply believe in the IDEALS that formed my country and what it aspires to be. I have to believe in something greater than me or else life just isn't worth living. Hopefully we will talk on a better subject in the future. Have fun. ONce again, I'm off this thread.

Clinton was a victim of the globalist elite who didnt appreciate his hands off policies and this is demonstrated by the verve with which over $20 million was "found" by his political enemies to scour his past for skeletons, only to have a conveniently keen intern keep a semen soaked dress to be found after her "friend" connived with authorities to implicate her in something nasty.
None of this was an unfortunate accident of fate. Clinton was a known womaniser and got burned for his attempted coverup when in realty he should have just said, So what? and taken a temporary popularity dip. Funny thing, self preservation.

I think the USA has great ideals but the political machinations now corrupt the focus away from citizens to faceless corporations.
The taxation wealth of America provides a vast pool of money that could provide the best citizens welfare system in the world by redirecting some money from negative militaristic desires supporting One World government. But unfortunately, the elite dont care squat about the wellbeing of the citizenry when there is a vast fortune to be squandered from the treasury on boondoogles each year.

 

[woody54]

Got it, never mind.

Continue your journey of enlightenment at your own pace. You cant take it all in at once.

 

[~hellbaby~]

Continue your journey of enlightenment at your own pace. You cant take it all in at once.

I've got hundreds, if not thousands of web pages and law notes and essays that I've been trying to get in order for a while now. What started out as checking into something in the " No Child Left Behind" law led to to this whole globalization issue. Over the ten years there have been a lot of little things, ammendments to laws, ecomonic indicators, trade policies that added up, paint an ugly picture if you think a little out of the box. I found twhat is said is sometimes not as important as what is not said. Some of my research leads to an unthinkable scenerio, but I account that on a really wild imagination going a little overboard. It would make a good book though.

 

[Beco]

Ronald Reagan was not a great president.

Really? Why would you say that??

 

[John Doe]

I would have to ask if it is you that ever thinks for yourself in seeking the truth or do you just follow the herd patriotic programming that requires the US to always have darstardlyy enemies in far away places.

You have a really fucked up idea of what patriotism is, but I don't really consider myself a patriot, unless not automatically assuming that the U.S. is some evil entity foretold in the book of Revelations makes me a patriot.

And anyway, truth is relative to the observer. I;m more interested in fact.

I challenge you to refute any aspersion made in the article shown above. Michael Moore is not smart enough to invent such a scandalous historical record as that of the Reagan team, who I should point out was directed in the bowels of the DOD by Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz et al.manufacturing the cold war concept that Nixon all but quashed, and who raised their ugly heads again when their ship came in when the PNAC hijacked next the Republican presidency.... and look whats fucking happened under them again.

Refutation assumes validity and would give the articl too much credit. As for whetehr or not the Cold War was 'manufactured', well that's obviously another half-baked conspiracy theory of yours.

If you are any sort of student of international affairs, you will know the US only survives by bleeding other nations and this only occurs by its necessary use of the largest military in the world , supported by the major arms manufacturing capability in the world, all to provide the incredulous concept of a defence force for a country that has no valid defensive threat that it has not inspireds by its own prior action.

there are plenty of IA experts who would disagree with you on those things.
And blaming the U.S. for the terrorist and tyrannical acts of other nations is like blaming the police for crime.

The US government spends more per capita than any other country which means no less than the US is the leading socialist state in disguise. Problem for the citizens is that the spending supports Corporations and military/intelligence endeavours that only advance the interests of the elite and maintain the outrageous hoax scam of US dollar hegemony giving the US a free ride on income, the only way citizens actually garner any benefit from the system.

That's pretty much the same gibbering kneejerk Marxist drivel you usually ooze.

 

[~hellbaby~]

Really? Why would you say that??

What?/ Funding terrorists responsible for many deaths is not a good trait in a president,say it isn't so. Next you'll say selling arms to third world countries and instigating clashes isn''t a presidential requirement..
My grandma loved Reagan because he sent her a Christmas card every year.

 

[The Mutt]

My mother told me to only speak good of the dead.

Ronald Reagan is dead.

Good.

 

[~hellbaby~]

My mother told me to only speak good of the dead.

Ronald Reagan is dead.

Good.

There would be an awful lot of people no one would talk about.

 

[MisterEdMe]

My mother told me to only speak good of the dead.

Ronald Reagan is dead.

Good.

Fuckin mutt.

 

[MisterEdMe]

So tell me, Why are people on this thread downrating a DEAD man? Oh that so fuckin bold and brave. Chicken shits!

 

[The Mutt]

So tell me, Why are people on this thread downrating a DEAD man? Oh that so fuckin bold and brave. Chicken shits!

We're not downrating Reagan, we're downrating anybody who thinks he was anything but Dick Cheney's Howdy Doody mouthpiece.

Which is worse? Being an evil prick, or being the tool of an evil prick?

 

[MinkSoul]

We're not downrating Reagan, we're downrating anybody who thinks he was anything but Dick Cheney's Howdy Doody mouthpiece.

Which is worse? Being an evil prick, or being the tool of an evil prick?

I vote evil prick...

 

[MisterEdMe]

We're not downrating Reagan, we're downrating anybody who thinks he was anything but Dick Cheney's Howdy Doody mouthpiece.

Which is worse? Being an evil prick, or being the tool of an evil prick?

I don't get it. Dick Cheney's mouthpiece? This is news to me. And like I've said. Reagan is DEAD. Why bother with this shit?

 

[~hellbaby~]

I vote evil prick...

I say tool of an evil prick, you can always choose not to be a tool, but evil pricks are probably born with a little evilness. It is harder to change the way you act then to decide wether to act or not.imo

 

[The Mutt]

I don't get it. Dick Cheney's mouthpiece? This is news to me. And like I've said. Reagan is DEAD. Why bother with this shit?

The Hell Of It
Roll on thunder shine on lightnin' the days are long and the nights are frightnin'
Nothing matters anyway and that's the hell of it
Winter comes and the winds blow colder well some grew wiser you just grew older
And you never listened anyway and that's the hell of it


Good for nothin' bad in bed nobody likes you and you're better off dead goodbye
We've all come to say goodbye goodbye
Born defeated died in vain
Super destructive you were hooked on pain and tho' your music lingers on
All of us are glad you're gone
If I could live my life half as worthlessly as you
I'm convinced that I'd wind up burning too


Love yourself as you love no other be no man's fool be no man's brother
We're all born to die alone y'know that's the hell of it
Life's a game where they're bound to beat you and time's a trick they can turn to cheat you
And we only waste it anyway and that's the hell of it


Good for nothin' bad in bed nobody likes you and you're better off dead goodbye
We've all come to say goodbye
Born defeated died in vain
Super destructive you were hooked on pain and tho' your music lingers on
All of us are glad you're gone

 

[MisterEdMe]

REAGAN IS DEAD! WTF has all this shit got to do with anything in life now? You folks are so fucking ignorant talking about the past as if it still existed. And about a man who is NEVER coming back to do whatever big and bad things he did to you. I liked the man. So fuck you.

 

[The Mutt]

REAGAN IS DEAD! WTF has all this shit got to do with anything in life now? You folks are so fucking ignorant talking about the past as if it still existed. And about a man who is NEVER coming back to do whatever big and bad things he did to you. I liked the man. So fuck you.

Because the same evil bastards than were pulling his strings are pulling Bush's. Read a fucking book.