The profane in the pure, and vice versa

[Endlessly]

This is the first time in all my Literotica tenure I've started two threads in one night. Whoa.

My question is this: I've been talking to a few male pals of mine via E-mail, and both of them have mentioned to me that this dual personality of mine, the church-girl\porn author thing, really turns them on. That there's something mystically sexy about the mixing of the pure and the profane.

I don't get it, myself. A good part of me doesn't like the fact that I'm a good girl masquerading as a bad girl or a bad girl masquerading as a good girl.. It's trying at times, and as I've mentioned, it leaves me feeling hypocritical.

For guys.. And the girls who like girls.. what is it about innocence that is sexy? Where does the sexual allure of purity come from, for you?

Or if it doesn't, again, why does purity then 'turn you off?'

 

[Xander]

The age of innocence

Endlessly, I wish I could give you a definate answer to that question. But I honestly don't think I can.
Now, I can only speak for myself. There is something with that angelic, pure and innocent girly thing that really gets the sexual urge flowing in a guy.
Why that is, I have no idea. I just know it works every time.
It's even better if one is fooling around with a, supposingly, pure and innocent girl. And then she turns out to be a sexual wildcat.

I don't know. maybe it's because deep down, most guys are sexual control freaks, and the innocent girl scenario adds to that.

I don't know if this makes any sense. But as I said, I can't give you a definate answer to: Why??

 

[Guest]

Hi Endlessly, I think the allure of purity is that the woman is discriminating. She has high self-esteem and will not give her love to just anyone.

The person that wins her love then values it more because they have proven themselves worthy.

For me I don't see it as good/bad girl hypocrisy. I see it as a good girl with natural desires that is only willing to fulfill them with someone she deems deserving.

There is a difference between thought and action.

 

[Jeff726]

mmmmmmmmmm

This reminds me of my recent US History course I took. There was this extremely sexy looking redhead girl that sat in front of me and from the first moment I saw her I wanted to get her in bed. She had everything: perfect body, face, and oh man I constantly desired to have wild sex with her.

The rooms we used for the school (I went to classes on a satellite campus btw) were the rooms at my old high school, and since the class was pretty full, I ended up sitting at one of the high school teachers' desks. Upon this desk was a bottle of "all over body" lotion, and I looked at it and then glanced at her and thought, "Damn how I want to rub this all over her taut naked body."

I never got the guts to say anything to her because I saw a shirt of hers one time that said "Truth - Soul Armor", plus I am naturally very shy anyways. But the fact that she seemed to be quite religious didn't help at all. Just something about her innocent look attracted her to me deeply but only in a physical sense. It's one of the few times I wanted any woman for purely sexual reasons. But hey we all have our animal sides right?


Jeff

 

[FlamingoBlue]

Actually...

I see you as being 2 parts of the same person. Wait until you see how you are when you have integrated all the parts into a single personality.

 

[Patryn]

Maybe it's like this...

What one of my male friends told me could be true, I guess....when I was ribbing him about his "prudish" girlfriend, he told me this: "A woman who is a lamb outside the bedroom is usually a lion in it."

So who knows.

 

[CreamyLady]

My lover and I were at a party at my friend's house. She is a stunningly beautiful woman, and a former call girl.

She really liked my lover, and made some broad hints about a possible threesome or private time. When we left the party, I asked him what he thought about it. I wasn't too enthusiastic. I always felt a little ordinary next to her.

He replied that she was beautiful, and very sexy, but she looked used. While I had done some streetwalking in my youth, I didn't. He told me I was still fresh.

I don't know exactly what he meant, unless it was that I had less basis for comparison. Who knows?

 

[Gaucho]

I don't get it, myself. A good part of me doesn't like the fact that I'm a good girl masquerading as a bad girl or a bad girl masquerading as a good girl.. It's trying at times, and as I've mentioned, it leaves me feeling hypocritical.

"...the sadder but wiser girl for me...."

The real question is why you think you're masquerading at all. Sacred and profane are, after all, relative terms and surely we are all a healthy mixture of both. It's only when the notion of judgement enters the picture that you suddenly have a conflict. Revel in all aspects of your personality and, like Deborah, tell anyone who doesn't get it to go to Hell.

As for the attraction of innocence, this is also nothing new. Hell, a good portion of the stories on this site involve "good" girls saying or doing things they never thought they were capable of. Virgins being deflowered, maidens being debauched (don't you just love euphemisms?), wives getting gangbanged - it's all here for the reading. Carnality lurks inside all of us, always waiting for the opportunity to express itself.

Personally, I think it's a societal thing and heavily slanted towards men. I'm sure there are some women out there who really get off on being with innocent (read: virginal) boys, but in my experience they much prefer being with someone who knows what the hell he is doing. Men, on the other hand, like the notion of being first (and if possible, only); it gives them a feeling of accomplishment and dominance. The thought of being with an experienced and sexually assertive woman (who might cast aspersions on his "mighty sword" and his ability to use it) scares some men half to death. That's why women who have multiple sex partners are called "sluts" and men who have the same "experienced".

Given the choice, give me a strong, assertive woman who knows what she wants and isn't afraid to tell me she wants it anytime.

 

[Endlessly]

Gaucho, you're fond of porn and quote showtunes alot. I like that. Just for you I'll get out my whip. They gave me pleather though, since I'm only a Domme-in-training.

But I digress.

I'm not really asking about my own good girl\bad girl complex, I'm sure that will either even itself out or I'll go to hell (that was a joke, people). I'm just trying to get inside the whole attraction to this kind of deal and figure it out.

Well, actually, to be honest, it's both. It seems like this whole dual nature is the only main sexy.. thing.. I've got going for me at the moment, my first date in over six months stood me up last week, so obviously I'm looking for ways to cash in on the purity boat.

I feel so dirty saying that.. *L*

 

[Gaucho]

Gaucho, you're fond of porn and quote showtunes alot. I like that. Just for you I'll get out my whip. They gave me pleather though, since I'm only a Domme-in-training.

Endlessly, honey, don't worry about it. We'll work something out. You have to understand, though, I do like to reverse the roles occasionally.

Someone stood you up? Was this a blind date or something?

Men can be such cunts.

 

[Expertise]

I think what your all talking about has been termed the Madonna/Mary Magdalene dichotomy.

In a nutshell a pure virginal mother figure publicly and a wanton slut in bed. I think it is a carry over of Victorian mores where men felt their wives must present a proper "face" to the world but they wanted a sexual demon when they went to bed.

I actually don't find innocence, when it is real and not feigned, that appealing. Innocence, ignorance and inexperience often go hand in hand and they usually don't make the best sexual or life partners. However, innocence combined with a lack of inhibition and a real desire to learn ... HOLY!

 

[SimplySouthern]

Inoocent? me? not really. I mean, I won't attempt to pull the wool over anyone's eyes here...I am certainly not what one could consider virginal.

Now the innocent act...that I am the master at. Men seem to love to teach "innocent women" things...and so what if I already knew it. Let them try and re-invent the wheel....s'ok by me. I might learn a little something along the way. And who doesn't need a few more tricks to add to their bag of magic?

 

[Gaucho]

Now the innocent act...that I am the master at. Men seem to love to teach "innocent women" things...and so what if I already knew it. Let them try and re-invent the wheel....s'ok by me. I might learn a little something along the way. And who doesn't need a few more tricks to add to their bag of magic?

And what man doesn't want to be made to feel like a Stud King? But what happens when, in mid-act, you suddenly realize that you have to grab hold of the reins (so to speak) in order to make things happen?

What do you say?

"My foot slipped."

And then bat your eyes sweetly?

 

[Skitten]

Endlessly;
I think it is what is more important is what you think of yourself. It is allright for you to be both and if it turns some guys on there is nothing wrong with that it doesn't make you a hyprocrate it makes you a person who is free with her sexuality, but still has a strong belief system and I don't see a problem with that. More people should be open with themselves as you are in both ways don't worry just keep on being yourself and don't change.

 

[Endlessly]

Gaucho, yeah, I got stood up. I was supposed to go re-see the X-men movie with a man from my church.. much older than me and (I think) barely the wrong side of the divorce line, but cute and smart.. and his big excuse was that he fell asleep. Dumbass. I'm sure another guy who's even funnier and cuter will come by and stand me up in another six months or so, so don't worry about telling me there are better fish in the sea. I know, and I'm looking forward to them being jackasses as well.

Hmmmmm. So is the FEIGNED innocence more of a turn-on then? One of the guys I talk to really enjoys the idea of defiling innocence.. Says that a woman in a wedding dress is a HUGE turn-on for just that reason. (Angelique baby-- this is the one I was telling you I might want to bring as my date for the wedding. His words.. "Tell her I want to have dirty, dirty sex with her and her entire wedding party.. Or just tell her I said hi. Your call.")

What about that aspect of it, do you think? Is turning the pure INTO the profane some of the appeal?

 

[FlamingoBlue]

OMG....

SS is not a virgin!!!!! Does that mean that there is no Easter bunny; no Santa Claus. What is left to believe in???? I am crushed.

It must have been that wicked Oliver Clozoff. Onlly a doctor would be wicked enough to deflower a budding lawyer. A pox on you , Oliver!!!!

 

[Never]

Random quote of the second, "Men want women that are Mea West in bed and June Cleaver everywhere else."

Perhaps not an accurate description of all men but being of a pragmatic nature I'll guess that those who do want to 'have their cake and eat it to'. They want a woman who'll experiment, or be aggressive in bed but someone they wont have to worry about asserting their desires out of bed, that way they'll be little chance of them looking elsewhere. You could seem 'safe' yet 'satisfying' for them.

Then again, perhaps it's just part of the image of women society has. It's easy for a sexually active young woman to be labeled a slut yet it's almost expected that they will have sex because they're there to serve male desires.

It's a social hypocrisy but in embracing it they know, or they think they know, you're going to act in the prearranged manner society give you.

Maybe I'm just rambling, I mean, who is this 'they' I'm talking about and why do I think they're insecure or conformists? How about another take?

It makes you a complex individual. By trying to balance the ideas of your religion and still acknowledge your sexuality, you separate yourself from the either/or mentality. Since you refuse the Virgin/Slut mentality that shows you are thinking for yourself and that, perhaps, you're more comfortable with yourself, with both the part that embraces God and the animalist desires all humans have.

There are no masks; just the parts of our personality that we except and the parts we reject. In some ways you're moving closer to a whole you, an entire person.

Um. What was the question again?
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*It's not like I meant anything by that.*

 

[Never]

*Finally reads all of the posts on this thread*
Oh My Noncaporal Creator!

I agreed with Flamingo Blue. Someone kill me, Renaldo, quick! Do it now, I was sooo wrong!

 

[SimplySouthern]

Many thanks Blue for all the faith you have in me. If it helps, you can still think of me as a virgin.