The Perve Curve

Technodivinitas

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Hello to A/all! i know I know- it's been forEVER since I've posted, commented, or even dropped by to say hi, and that's awful of me, and you can virtually flaggelate me if it pleases you- I humbly accept such punishments. I've just been incredibly busy satisfying the endless (but not unreasonable) demands my Master places upn me. :cathappy:

MEANwhile... I posted something in my Live Journal which grew out of proportion, and became more than just a brief mental rambling, and after working on it for several days, it occured to me that I should post it here for your amusement and/or useful application:
(The following is cut and pasted from my LiveJournal, so if some of the refs seem off or excessively vanilla, that'd be why...)

Right. So, "quiet-time" with my Master always leaves me feeling like a porn star. Admittedly, a really raunchy, hardcore pornstar, but still. It's a pretty good feeling, at least if you're me. (I'm a serious perv, though, so...) (I also apparently have an elipses fetish...) Which all got me thinking about kinks, fetishes, and the relativity of perviness.

I KNOW that he has yet by far to plumb the depths of my personal depravities, and I'm pretty certain I've yet to plumb his. I've tried to get him to open up and tell me about his personal squicks and querks, but I think he's still deciding what he's willing to share, even with his personal perv princess. Why? Well, for the same reason we all have things which we keep in our dark corners, unshared, and even sometimes unacknowledged by ourselves. Because we're afraid we'll freak others (or possibly ourselves) out if we let on. There are very few people in the world who actually face and interact with those shadow-desires.

What's my point and where am I going with all of this? (And when do I actually talk smut, like I promised pre-cut tag?) Perversion is extremely relative. Odds are decent that one or another of your lovers, in your lifetime, will be bothered more by something you consider harmless enough to admit to than they would have been by something you never dared to tell them. Personally, I'm pretty sure I'm unflappable in that department myself, and I've even been put to the test when an ex went psychotic, and started telling me about his secret longings. (They involved genital self-mutilation, to put it mildly.) It made me a touch uncomfortable, admittedly, but I felt no harsh internal judgement of his fetish. (The harsh judgement came later, when he started talking really psychoticly, while driving me at 60 mph way out into the country... yeah. got a little judgy at that point. Glad I did, too.)

Anyhoo, it occurred to me to do a general survey of perv-asciousness, to actually see written out how peoples' personal perve curves varied, at least within a narrow and heavily perv-biased sampling. (Y'all'r twistoids, and ya know it. And I wouldn't have it any other way. *S*)

So I've taken the notorious internet scene-negotiation checklist, and edited it somewhat, so it reflects not what it's subject has done, hasn't done, and would or would not ever do, but instead rates individual fetishes or activities on a scale from one to ten, to reflect how extreme/perverse one considers each act to be, within their personal frame of reference. (For example, I consider myself to be an extremely kinky individual, and am likely to rate several of the activities I practice often or would like to practice often, with a five or higher, while there are things I doubt I would ever do, but which I consider fairly tame on the perve scale.)

I'd say the scale looks a bit like this:

0: Beyond vanilla into yawning bordom. Handshakes are pervier.
1: Well, I don't think it's at ALL kinky, and I'm absolutely certain no one else does either.
2: I don't think it's at all kinky, but some devout religious people might.
3: Getting interesting, at least, but still not quite into the realm of "Kink" by my standards.
4: A tiny touch on the kinky side, but not more than a marriage counselor might suggest to re-spark a marriage.
5: Officially kinky, but not outrageously so- everybody has one or two of these hiding in their own closet, and they're only likely to share that fact with long term intimates.
6: Signifigantly kinky, possibly a touch on the perverted side. These are the secrets one might even keep from a spouse, for fear of recrimination.
7: Honest to Goddess Perversions. These are the things we are embarassed to admit even to ourselves.
8: Hard-core Perversions. Things we try very hard NOT to admit to ourselves if we can help it, and would lie if someone brought it up, even in a posative light.
9: Twisted and extreme. If we have any of these desires, they are coming straight from the Id, and we actively avoid knowing they exist within us.
10: Broken, Scary, Bad. The things we fear ever encountering in another, and can't even imagine ever feeling in ourselves. Even discovering a hint of such a perversion in oneself might be grounds for volluntary commital to a long-term mental health program. (I actually have one or three of these, and am at peace with them.)​

Okay... now that's out of the way, here's the (far from exhaustive, but extremely inclusive) list.
Take it, then you can keep it to yourself, or meme it out on your LJ if you're feeling bold and self-confronty, post it as a reply to this post (though it might be too long,) or drop me a private e-mail if you wanna contribute to my pseudo-study but want to remain anonymous. All such info I recieve will be documented then virtually shredded, and will never (in the spirit of LJ, after all,) be used against you, or indeed at all. Have fun kiddies... you know you wanna. (And if you wanna see my ratings, there's a link in the pre-amble.)
 
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Glad you're glad...

Gonna show us your pervey curve, lovely?
~nudgenudge~

Seriously- I'm not trying to find out anything secret about anybody, more just trying to share the internal dialogue about individual perceptions. But nobody's answering my posts of late, so I guess I'll bump this for a bit, and just cross my fingers.

(To be honest, I'm trying to not be a little afraid of the curves of, say, AngelicAssasin, or the Marquis, or Rosco... They all scare me- but in such delightful ways! Also prepping myself to maintain a neutral, clinical observance, rather than getting all moist at the curves of as yet only potential replies... :eek: )
 
Technodivinitas said:
Seriously- I'm not trying to find out anything secret about anybody, more just trying to share the internal dialogue about individual perceptions. But nobody's answering my posts of late, so I guess I'll bump this for a bit, and just cross my fingers.

I e-mailed my answers. It's a fairly long list when it is added all up.
 
Thank you...

And I'll try to be patient, but I haven't recieved them I'm afraid. (I'm *fairly* sure the e-mail link on the form works correctly...)
 
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And I'll try to be patient, but I haven't recieved them I'm afraid. (I'm *fairly* sure the e-mail link on the form works correctly...)

Hmmm... I cut and pasted the e-mail addy into a web based client...

OK... I'll upload the txt file here to make it a bit more manageble for others reading. There are a few ? in some of the catagories because I am not familiar with the terms/useage

"Gates of Hell" (male) *what it this?*
Rituals (useage question) *as in Religious rites? or some super secret BDSM rituals I have yet to learn about?*

Sleepsack *do you mean like a sleeping bag that is cinced closed so that the person inside has limited movement?*
 
~Allows herself to be momentarily entranced and distracted by the gates of hell images~

Oh. My. Well those are... just plain pretty! Bet Master would never agree to wear one though, no matter how cool his cock'd look...
 
And AA...

Do you Tango? You lead terribly well- keep me ever so slightly off balance, and leave me wanting to dance until my feet bleed. I suspect that your curve is a broad spread, with much in the low end, more in the middle, and very little that ventures into unacceptably twisted... But of course, I know nothing about you at all, do I? Except, perhaps, that you like to dance.


Edit: because I like Indigo, and it flows nicely into my sig.
 
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Thanks, PL, for the .txt

And for willingness to post it openly! I've also made it available to a far more vanilla forum, (though that collective is my Live-Journal friends, and most of them are kinks too, but they're more just open minded and experimental than actively pervy,) and there I imagine more will be concerned with anonymity.

Do you mind if I discuss your listing here, or would you prefer to keep such specifics private? You're already discussing, so I guess I'm just asking as courtesy/formality, still, I'll wait for an okay from you to discuss.
 
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We are already anonymously on the internet, no reason not to post it :p you can ask me questions here or PM me if you have any.
 
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And for willingness to post it openly!

I've also made it available to a far more vanilla forum, (though that collective is my Live-Journal friends, and most of them are kinks too, but they're more just open minded and experimental than actively pervy,) and there I imagine more will be concerned with anonymity.

Do you mind if I discuss your listing here, or would you prefer to keep such specifics private? You're already discussing, so I guess I'm just asking as courtesy/formality, still, I'll wait for an okay from you to discuss.

^shrugs^ I've never been shy about telling people my opinions. I have no idea how it would compare to the "vanilla" world, since I see myself as 90% vanilla. Just my being here would probably be considered a #8 or 9 by most people I guess.

Yeah, if you want to discuss them openly, sure. It's just how perverted I think things are, and not my opinion on doing any of them myself (there are a few of the 5 and 6's I would not do and a few of the 8's I might :eek: ).
 
Private_Label said:
Yeah, if you want to discuss them openly, sure. It's just how perverted I think things are, and not my opinion on doing any of them myself (there are a few of the 5 and 6's I would not do and a few of the 8's I might :eek: ).

Generally speaking, I responded with how kinky/out of bounds something seemed to me, which for the most part, is also how willing I'd be to try something, although not in all cases.
 
I took the test and answered the list of the link. I'll attempt to post my results, but I did a spreadsheet and am not too sure how it'll show up. It may be a "tomorrow" project, but I did it. :)
 
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Thanks to rikaaim & rcuhljr...

And again to P_L, for taking so much trouble to share her survey.

As I've said already, this is far from a scientific study, and my methods of observation are but clumsy and slow: I look, I read, I consider, and I'm just trying to notice apparent constants and trends. Hard, with only three in, but I do see some similarities, and am beginning to think I have some idea of what to expect.

Some things I've seen already:
The longer someone has been in the Scene, the more low numbers are likely, with newer pervs, the range will be more evenly spread, but with very few extremely low numbers, (0-3,) and I suspect that straight vanillas' numbers would be skewwed higher, though with a higher range of 0-3's than new D/s'ers. (I do wish I could balance this against a bit more cultural info as well- it would be nice to get some real Kinseyan statistics going. Say, age ranges, cultural backgrounds, income ranges... But I'm not even going to suggest asking those things of people. I haven't the credentials to request, (nor to uphold) that kind of confidentiality.

Shaving heads and shaving body hair are perceived inversely by men and women.

I'm surprised that watersports (urinophilia) is ranking lower than I expected. (That's such relief... :eek: )

Might I ask each of you:
Are you Top or bottom?
Male or female?
Roughly how long have you been interested in the scene?
And how long have you acted upon that interest?

(Sorry- I know I do seem SO clumsy with all this... Organization has never been my strongest suit.)
 
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Might I ask each of you:
Are you Top or bottom?
Male or female?
Roughly how long have you been interested in the scene?
And how long have you acted upon that interest?

I don't even know how much the D/s lifestyle fits me, or if I wish to pursue it, so zero years on the scene :p
I'm definently a submissive/bottom personality type.
/gropeself Still male.
see above.
 
I'm no pro, but I'd say...

you found you're way here, you're intrigued, and you're talking to us rather than simply lurking. I'd say the odds are extremely good that you belong here. Besides- you're way too unflappable to be a vanilla. :cathappy:
 
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you found you're way here, you're intrigued, and you're talking to us rather than simply lurking. I'd say the odds are extremely good that you belong here. Besides- you're way too unflappable to be a vanilla. :cathappy:

Nah I'm just a pretty firm believer in trying anything once, and if it's not for me that doesn't magically make it wrong. But thanks for the kind words :)
 
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Do you Tango?
Actually, no, but on my list of "i'll get around to it"s under ballroom dancing.
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You lead terribly well
What else would you expect from a dominant personality?
Technodivinitas said:
- keep me ever so slightly off balance, and leave me wanting to dance until my feet bleed.
Your master could accomplish the same thing with a good bastinado.
Technodivinitas said:
I suspect that your curve is a broad spread, with much in the low end, more in the middle, and very little that ventures into unacceptably twisted...
Possibly.
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But of course, I know nothing about you at all, do I? Except, perhaps, that you like to dance.
What i like comes out very clearly in some of the posts i've made. One only needs to look ... http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/363868/2cool2.gif
 
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Technodivinitas said:
Shaving heads and shaving body hair are perceived inversely by men and women.

Probably because men shave their heads for a number of reasons (going bald, want to try it, etc.) and some men look very, very good that way (Patrick Stewart comes to mind) there are few women in society that are bald and look good doing it (S. O'Connor does NOT look good with her bald head). Women shave , underarms and legs (and in my case my face due to excessive facial hair cased by a medical condition) so "body hair" is undesirable in women (or at least in societies view of desirable).

I'm surprised that watersports (urinophilia) is ranking lower than I expected. (That's such relief... :eek: )

^shrugs^ Skin is washable. Urine is a sterile liquid.


Are you Top or bottom?

At the moment - bottom in an on-line relationship. But I am thinking that I am probably a Switch. I really don't have enough experience to tell yet.


Male or female?
Female

Roughly how long have you been interested in the scene?

Um... hmmm... I have to give two answers to this...

2 years into the on-line relationship - but not actively considering myself a bottom at the time - just considering I was in love with my D.
2 months for actively pursuing that I am a bottom/switch.

And how long have you acted upon that interest?

With my D 2 years (He knows that all he has to do is ask me to go to him and I will)

2 months actively seeking other relationships
 
Assorted Replies...

AA- First, I know Doms, and I know Tango, and I know some Doms who lead poorly. Tango & D/s have much in common. Communication is critical to both, but in D/s, it's often about not letting the sub know what's coming next, and on some rare occassions, not allowing her to know what you expect of her. I practice Argentine Tango, which is a cousin to, but far removed from, Ballroom Tango, which is primarily American. I tell people the difference is, Ballroom is a dance. Argentine is a way of life. :D I highly recommend Argentine. Far cooler, and more fun, imho. (Ironicly, my instructor turned out to be a bit of a leather-daddy, and was delighted when he learned my dance partner and I were leather people. It enabled him to use an entirely different vernacular in our instruction.)

And I've tried to get my Master to experiment with bastinado. Getting him to Tango was easier. Besides, Master is a stoic Native American, and tends to limit his conversations to the exchange of critical information, half of which he prefers to convey through body language. He's not exactly chatty. YOU I can parley with. This I appreciate. (Thank you, more than you know.)

And I've read your fictions. Yes. You come through quite clearly.


P_L- Yes, the hair thing seems entirely obvious in hind-sight, though I suspect it also depends on how one interperts my wording... I did not say, shaving oneself (or having oneself shaved...) So one could read it as that which is done to another, which alters the meaning considerably. (Might need to rephrase that in the beta version.)

As for watersports and sterile liquids, true enough as well, although less common knowledge, or so I believed. (Maybe I can thank Madonna for broadening public urine awareness?) And even so, I tend to rank golden showers and their cousins a solid seven, in relation to the general mainstream. I might have no problem going there, but I'd be loathe to admit it to say, my doctor or my manicurist, even in a joking context. Still, I suppose I'll have to wait for more returns to get a better idea of how it's perceived generally.


And rcuhljr- Might've been from your av, I got the impression you were a Top. See what I get for making assumptions?

An interesting aside- I just got my first non-Lit response to the poll, and she completely blew the perve scale. Nothing above an 8, including mutilation, animal sex, and death. I think I need to find out more about that girl...
 
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As for watersports and sterile liquids, true enough as well, although less common knowledge, or so I believed.... Still, I suppose I'll have to wait for more returns to get a better idea of how it's perceived generally.

You might also want to think about adding "Golden Showers with Ingestion" to the specific list. I would give a different value to that (higher) than to GS alone.

People also might want to remember that some meds are carried out in the urine, so you might take that into consideration before ingesting same.
 
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