The Obamagood Thread

[Sean Renaud]

Maureen Dowd

As secretary of state, she helped Obama push the Trans-Pacific Partnership that is at the center of the current trade fight. In Australia in 2012, she was effusive, saying that the trade pact “sets the gold standard in trade agreements to open free, transparent, fair trade, the kind of environment that has the rule of law and a level playing field. And when negotiated, this agreement will cover 40 percent of the world’s total trade and build in strong protections for workers and the environment.”

Now Hillary says she is unsure about the pact and would likely oppose giving President Obama the special authority to negotiate trade deals for an up-or-down vote in Congress. As a future president, of course, she would want the same authority to negotiate trade deals that Obama is seeking in the messy Capitol Hill donnybrook.

But as a candidate pressured by progressives like Warren and Bernie Sanders and by labor unions, she turned to Jell-O, shimmying around an issue she had once owned and offering an unpleasant reminder of why “Clintonian” became a synonym for skirting the truth.

What's this got to do with anything at all?

How left do you want it?

Much more than is realistic for America.

 

[Beco]

What's this got to do with anything at all?



Much more than is realistic for America.

She is a flopper....she'll say anything for votes. Is my point....

 

[Sean Renaud]

She's hardly a flopper.

But of course she says things for votes she's a fucking politician.

 

[snugglestruggle]

All the hope and change was really just more of the same but from the other side of the isle. It's sad that American leadership has come down to who is the best liar. Obama talked a lot of shit about the oil companies but they are richer than ever. The Bankers have become fatter and the poor are poorer (government assistance can't be counted as wealth). The only good thing I can say about Obama is his term is nearly up and we'll have a new liar in chief come 2017 along with a new batch of shenanigans.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

http://40.media.tumblr.com/ee97af8360408402128893b76ccebbf5/tumblr_nqczskKFpy1r83d7lo1_1280.jpg

Obama said the N-word — and everyone missed the important point he made about race

President Obama used the n-word. Given the initial media reactions to his chat with Marc Maron, that might be all you’ve heard about his comments. But the word itself is just one part of a larger and more resonant point — one that offers Americans a unique insight into how the first black president views the issue of race in America.

http://mic.com/articles/121134/everyone-is-missing-the-point-about-obama-saying-the-n-word?utm_source=policymicTBLR&utm_medium=main&utm_campaign=social

 

[Beco]

She's hardly a flopper.

But of course she says things for votes she's a fucking politician.

she's flip flopped on most issues....but you vote for her, cause you get the gov you deserve

 

[IrezumiKiss]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIJcnJ9W8AIbA0c.jpg

Pres Obama addressing Iftar Dinner tonight in WH East Room. (TV Pool photo by @wesbarrett)

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

You know, folks, I've had my issues with this President and this Administration for sure, and they're not perfect, but I have to say, all of the doom and gloom attached to the election of our 44th President has been largely for naught. Documentaries have claimed that by next year, America would be a Third World country. Well, we have problems for sure, but we are not that far gone yet....we've had six and a half years of President Obama, and while I will never fully warm up to him, he hasn't destroyed us. We have survived and we will survive, and he has had his good moments as well as his bad ones.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

To be perfectly blunt, if I had it to do over, I can't say that I would vote for Romney all over again. I had him pegged him as something of a moderate in conservative clothing. Now, however....well, the best I can say for him is that he took the right stance on the Confederate flag at the state capital.

 

[Sean Renaud]

she's flip flopped on most issues....but you vote for her, cause you get the gov you deserve

has she? Examples please.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

has she? Examples please.

Maybe start a Hillarygood or Hillarybad thread for it, though?

Y'all, I love the thread bumping in the basic sake, but this one is for Obama. Let's keep it on track. Jen derails shit enough on this site.

 

[Beco]

has she? Examples please.

I just gave you two....

 

[Beco]

has she? Examples please.

But....but everyone does that, so its okay in your book......

 

[Aglaopheme]

But....but everyone does that, so its okay in your book......

Things change, people change, politicians change their stances, in the case of the TPP for the better.

Do you think it is a good thing that republicans have "flip flopped" in their stance on the confederate flag?

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Some flip-flopping is good when it's a change from bad to good stances. Still, Romney's Tweet might not have spread so fast without the President retweeting it.....yes, Mitt, you can thank Barack for that.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

The other good that the President might have done, from the Democratic perspective, is to make the GOP such a magnet for extremist views that moderates and swing voters desert it in droves. That being so, these moderates and swing voters will pull the Democrats back to the center for a while just by voting in Democratic primaries.

Of course, I don't expect it to last. I suspect that eventually, we'll have at least three parties. Liberal, moderate, and conservative. If the Democrats move to the center too much, the Greens will pick up their left-wing base and become a larger force. If the GOP, however, somehow does defy the Tea Party and moves to the center, or if the Tea Party people become so puritanical that they form their own party, then the GOP will move to the center, anyway.....in which case the GOP becomes a more moderate party, the sort that I can support again.

A lot hinges on whether any moderates stand a chance in the GOP primaries....and while you dismiss this, consider the open primaries that exist in several states. If enough moderates and independents vote in GOP primaries, they could tilt the balance back to the center. But it would take someone like Pataki to lead the way.

Of course, the only way that can even remotely work is that there are so many right-wing nutters in the field that that they dilute the conservative base just enough to put pro-choice Pataki on top.

And I can guarantee you that if Pataki is nominated and doesn't suddenly become pro-life, as Romney did, the GOP base will desert him, and either Hillary or Bernie will sweep him away in November. Even so, I would be wiling to consider voting for him. He's a Republican who at least seems to have a mind of his own. That would move the Tea Party into forming its own party, perhaps and let real Republicans rebrand themselves in the center. The Tea Party is really George Wallace's AIP and Strom Thurmond's Dixiecrats all over again, after all. They should just run their own ticket.

 

[Sean Renaud]

But....but everyone does that, so its okay in your book......

So you can't. Figures.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

one day closer, to the collapse of the regime. finally, we can get a real American in office

 

[RjThoughts]

The other good that the President might have done, from the Democratic perspective, is to make the GOP such a magnet for extremist views that moderates and swing voters desert it in droves. That being so, these moderates and swing voters will pull the Democrats back to the center for a while just by voting in Democratic primaries.

Of course, I don't expect it to last. I suspect that eventually, we'll have at least three parties. Liberal, moderate, and conservative. If the Democrats move to the center too much, the Greens will pick up their left-wing base and become a larger force. If the GOP, however, somehow does defy the Tea Party and moves to the center, or if the Tea Party people become so puritanical that they form their own party, then the GOP will move to the center, anyway.....in which case the GOP becomes a more moderate party, the sort that I can support again.

A lot hinges on whether any moderates stand a chance in the GOP primaries....and while you dismiss this, consider the open primaries that exist in several states. If enough moderates and independents vote in GOP primaries, they could tilt the balance back to the center. But it would take someone like Pataki to lead the way.

Of course, the only way that can even remotely work is that there are so many right-wing nutters in the field that that they dilute the conservative base just enough to put pro-choice Pataki on top.

And I can guarantee you that if Pataki is nominated and doesn't suddenly become pro-life, as Romney did, the GOP base will desert him, and either Hillary or Bernie will sweep him away in November. Even so, I would be wiling to consider voting for him. He's a Republican who at least seems to have a mind of his own. That would move the Tea Party into forming its own party, perhaps and let real Republicans rebrand themselves in the center. The Tea Party is really George Wallace's AIP and Strom Thurmond's Dixiecrats all over again, after all. They should just run their own ticket.

Pataki won't do well in NY! He screwed the state, made outrageous claims - like saying SUNY and CUNY students could work to pay for their tuition like he did, as he cut funds - and well, isn't well like even by the current GOP demagogues in the state.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

when do you get your welfare check? is it the 1st or 15th?

are you paying that hillary gets into power, this way, you will 'earn' a bigger welfare check?

since you lack balls, have you thought about becoming a Bruce Jenner?

Pataki won't do well in NY! He screwed the state, made outrageous claims - like saying SUNY and CUNY students could work to pay for their tuition like he did, as he cut funds - and well, isn't well like even by the current GOP demagogues in the state.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIc3RtgWwAEAHaW.jpg

 

[CaptainKirk]

Let's see...

The Affordable Healthcare Act coming to light and being upheld by the SCOTUS.

Same-sex marriage finally becoming legal in the entire nation.

A relic that has been considered to be a symbol of hate and bigotry for decades finally being mothballed.


What was it the nay-sayers were complaining about? That thing they wanted to see, but knew would never happen? 'Hope and Change'?




Well?

 

[Beco]

Things change, people change, politicians change their stances, in the case of the TPP for the better.

Do you think it is a good thing that republicans have "flip flopped" in their stance on the confederate flag?

One can only go by what they have said in the past to the present. It gets confusing if a candidate has changed their positions on various issues. She appears to have done that, with frequency. They all do that, I get that...but it doesnt excuse her from flip flopping, which I dont like.

i think with regards to marijuana, its trending higher, people want it, thus, votes. Chris Christy will fail with his stance on pot. I do like that she will be hand's off Colorado and the like.

 

[RjThoughts]

One can only go by what they have said in the past to the present. It gets confusing if a candidate has changed their positions on various issues. She appears to have done that, with frequency. They all do that, I get that...but it doesnt excuse her from flip flopping, which I dont like.

i think with regards to marijuana, its trending higher, people want it, thus, votes. Chris Christy will fail with his stance on pot. I do like that she will be hand's off Colorado and the like.

*in stoner voice*

You said higher huh huh huh

 

[Beco]

*in stoner voice*

You said higher huh huh huh

pardon the pun