The NRA Is Facing A String Of Defeats In The States

[schism666]

Lol...facts...from Buzzfeed.

Hilarious.

As for the NRA, they believe in protecting the second amendment. They know that gun control advocates can't amend the constitution to get rid of the second amendment so they introduce laws to get rid of it one small piece at a time (which is blatantly unconstitutional btw.) That's why the NRA fights against every new gun legislation that's introduced.

If politicians attempted creating legislation to dismantle your 1st amendment right incrimentally, I'd expect another group like the ACLU to fight just as hard against that as the NRA does with gun legislation.

guess which lawyer just had to drop a case against buzzfeed due to their factual reporting? yes, that's correct, trump's guy.

You're the one making judgments on the contributions of others.

still can't think of anything to contribute?

It's a fact. If you were to perform a DNA test on the tissue it would come back as undeniably Human.

You use the term "people" so as to give yourself some wiggle room I suppose. Why not go with "nonviable tissue mass?" A two year old is a nonviable tissue mass without extraordinary care. The only difference being that one in in utero and the other is postpartum.

As for me? Abortion is murder, plain and simple. Yet I am pro-choice. I see no point in criminalizing an act that women have been performing over all of recorded history.

can the mass of tissue feed itself or live without the woman? no? good, then we agree that it's not murder.

 

[Admiral_Ackbar]

Feticide is law in 39 states at the moment, but baby killers have managed to sequester abortion into ‘legality’, so they can practice the crime without the associated punishment.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/fetal-homicide-state-laws.aspx

It's a fact. If you were to perform a DNA test on the tissue it would come back as undeniably Human.

You use the term "people" so as to give yourself some wiggle room I suppose. Why not go with "nonviable tissue mass?" A two year old is a nonviable tissue mass without extraordinary care. The only difference being that one in in utero and the other is postpartum.

As for me? Abortion is murder, plain and simple. Yet I am pro-choice. I see no point in criminalizing an act that women have been performing over all of recorded history.

If it was fact there would be no debate or at least not as much as there has always been.
And neither of you has any idea where I stand on the matter.

 

[coachdb18]

It’s indeed odd that our society punishes those who willfully kill or cause harm to animals (ie Michael Vick), but have no problem in marketing the killing of unborn children as nothing more than ‘a clump of cells’. It’s the most barbaric act our society perpetrates.

 

[schism666]

If it was fact there would be no debate or at least not as much as there has always been.
And neither of you has any idea where I stand on the matter.

that doesn't matter to many of the men here. they validate their own positions by ascribing nonsense to others.

 

[Admiral_Ackbar]

that doesn't matter to many of the men here. they validate their own positions by ascribing nonsense to others.

You're one of the most idiotic piles of shit I've seen on here. Just sayin'.

 

[schism666]

You're one of the most idiotic piles of shit I've seen on here. Just sayin'.

you're one of the men i was talking about

 

[beew]

As for me? Abortion is murder, plain and simple. Yet I am pro-choice. I see no point in criminalizing an act that women have been performing over all of recorded history.

I'm ambivalent about abortion too.
Nobody knows yet what the foetus really is, given that the nervous system is only starting to develop.
For that reason, I fully support those who had a couple of abortions during their life, but I'm judgmental of those who had more than three due to sloppy contraceptive practices.

I bet, tho that more women would choose to carry on with pregnancy, if that didn't equal a lifetime of poverty and lost opportunities for the mother, or potential abuse or lack of love for the kid in foster care.

You guys should lobby for investing more money for supporting our children, and the rate of abortions would decrease drastically.

 

[coachdb18]

Most people recognize that, if the life of the mother is at risk, the child stands little chance of being born anyway, so that’s a medical decision. It amounts to about 1% of all abortions, the vast majority simply being a too-late method of birth control, for the convenience of the mother and her morals-free decision. That’s unacceptable by a civilized society.

 

[phrodeau]

It’s indeed odd that our society punishes those who willfully kill or cause harm to animals (ie Michael Vick), but have no problem in marketing the killing of unborn children as nothing more than ‘a clump of cells’. It’s the most barbaric act our society perpetrates.

Worse than trophy hunting?

 

[bellisarius]

I'm ambivalent about abortion too.
Nobody knows yet what the foetus really is, given that the nervous system is only starting to develop.
For that reason, I fully support those who had a couple of abortions during their life, but I'm judgmental of those who had more than three due to sloppy contraceptive practices.

I bet, tho that more women would choose to carry on with pregnancy, if that didn't equal a lifetime of poverty and lost opportunities for the mother, or potential abuse or lack of love for the kid in foster care.

You guys should lobby for investing more money for supporting our children, and the rate of abortions would decrease drastically.

While the lifetime of poverty is true, there are other options...........including not becoming pregnant to begin with.

As far as 'investing' goes, why in the world would I want to 'invest' in another "fuckers" child? Maybe we should demand that men "grow up and man up" and take care of the product of their own seed.

 

[beew]

Worse than trophy hunting?

Ask Coach if he would agree for more money to be directed towards welfare of the moms, Childcare and Education
instead of the Military and proxy wars (which kill people)

and he'll have a stroke.

 

[coachdb18]

Ask Coach if he would agree for more money to be directed towards welfare of the moms, Childcare and Education
instead of the Military and proxy wars (which kill people)

and he'll have a stroke.

Every abortion performed that is NOT for the purpose of saving the mothers life should be accompanied with mandatory irreversible tubal ligation. Women want choice make that the choice they have to make. Killing a child requires that level of consequence.

 

[beew]

While the lifetime of poverty is true, there are other options...........including not becoming pregnant to begin with.

As far as 'investing' goes, why in the world would I want to 'invest' in another "fuckers" child? Maybe we should demand that men "grow up and man up" and take care of the product of their own seed.

So what do you suggest?

Instead of judging, why don't you teach men to wear a rubber? Or have reversible vasectomies?
If they wouldn't pressure women to accept sex without a condom, because "it doesn't ferl good", at least 1/3rd of pregnancies wouldn't happen.

 

[schism666]

Every abortion performed that is NOT for the purpose of saving the mothers life should be accompanied with mandatory irreversible tubal ligation. Women want choice make that the choice they have to make. Killing a child requires that level of consequence.

as soon as you grow a uterus, you can have a say.

 

[beew]

So what do you suggest?

Instead of judging, why don't you teach men to wear a rubber? Or have reversible vasectomies?
If they wouldn't pressure women to accept sex without a condom, because "it doesn't ferl good", at least 1/3rd of pregnancies wouldn't happen.

It just occurred to me:

If they introduced a law in which any woman who underwent abortion could sue the potential father and demand 10.000$ in compensation for the emotional trauma,
the nomber of men who don't wear condoms would decrease drastically.

(Based on foetal sample DNA's and clear evidence that the potential father was neglectful, to avoid other things).

Contrary to what the Right believe and the Left falsely advertise, abortion is a very traumatic event for most women.
Only a minority -the serial aborters- have the "the foetus is just a pack of cells" approach to it.

 

[bellisarius]

So what do you suggest?

Instead of judging, why don't you teach men to wear a rubber? Or have reversible vasectomies?
If they wouldn't pressure women to accept sex without a condom, because "it doesn't ferl good", at least 1/3rd of pregnancies wouldn't happen.

I'm sorry, it's their body. Are they incapable of saying "No." And if its force, isn't that rape?

Assigning blame to one party or the other does little to solve the problem. And stigmatizing the parties involved, including the child, is no longer possible in today's social environment. But pointing out that it's the path to financial devastation for all parties involved might work.

 

[coachdb18]

as soon as you grow a uterus, you can have a say.

Spoken like an 1860’s slaveowner, ‘as soon as you own slaves, you can have a say’. Arrogant! And just like in the 1860’s, the practice they’re defending was made popular by making it legal too, the ownership of another person has been a smashing hit for centuries.

 

[beew]

I'm sorry, it's their body. Are they incapable of saying "No." And if its force, isn't that rape?

Assigning blame to one party or the other does little to solve the problem. And stigmatizing the parties involved, including the child, is no longer possible in today's social environment. But pointing out that it's the path to financial devastation for all parties involved might work.

I disagree with part of your views.
Most women who undergo abortions have less than 2 in their lifetime, and for them it's usually a gut-wrenching decision and traumatic event. The self-blame or remorse follow them for years.

You just can't lump them together with those irresponsible serial aborters (I read an article about a hundred or so of young women in the UK who've had more than 7 abortions Good lord) who've skewed the nombers so badly.

Conservatives should focus on blaming only the latter, and on teaching both genders prevention.
Liberals should also focus more on prevention, instead of this bizarre rhetoric "the foetus is just a group of cells, like an amoeba" or trying to equate the procedure to a dental appointment.


But I'll give you this: unlike Coach, you focus on both genders.

 

[schism666]

Spoken like an 1860’s slaveowner, ‘as soon as you own slaves, you can have a say’. Arrogant! And just like in the 1860’s, the practice they’re defending was made popular by making it legal too, the ownership of another person has been a smashing hit for centuries.

what parallels are you trying to draw here? 1800's slave owners? hopefully you're just fucking with me.

 

[coachdb18]

what parallels are you trying to draw here? 1800's slave owners? hopefully you're just fucking with me.

The implication pro-abortionists are making is that the mother is the owner of the child....

 

[schism666]

The implication pro-abortionists are making is that the mother is the owner of the child....

no they are not because they don't believe it's a child in the first place.

 

[OldJourno]

I'm looking for the NRA thread. Anyone seen it?

 

[schism666]

I'm looking for the NRA thread. Anyone seen it?

some asshole mentioned planned parenthood and it went that's where it went.

 

[coachdb18]

no they are not because they don't believe it's a child in the first place.

....and slaveowners only believed their slave equaled 3/5 of a human... so what’s your point?

 

[schism666]

....and slaveowners only believed their slave equaled 3/5 of a human... so what’s your point?

you brought up 1800's slave owners in rebuttal to abortion talk in an nra thread and you're asking ME what's MY point? laters.