The Isolated Blurt Thread XL : This Shit Is Pointless

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But the fact that Confederate statues were erected, and the motivation for doing so, is now a part of American history. It's something that can be studied and learned from, even if we decide they have no place in contemporary society.
 
How does removing a monument or renaming a street change history? It's not a time machine, it's a statue.

It happened here in Quebec. In the 80's bill 101 was passed. All street names, all signs, all monuments (with exception of a few) had to be changed to something in French.

Do you think my daughter knows any of the previous history? And that Montreal was built by English

. No she does not. And it won't be taught here either. Shame.
 
How does removing a monument or renaming a street change history? It's not a time machine, it's a statue.

It happened here in Quebec. In the 80's bill 101 was passed. All street names, all signs, all monuments (with exception of a few) had to be changed to something in French.

Do you think my daughter knows any of the previous history? And that Montreal was built by English

. No she does not. And it won't be taught here either. Shame.
 
It happened here in Quebec. In the 80's bill 101 was passed. All street names, all signs, all monuments (with exception of a few) had to be changed to something in French.

Do you think my daughter knows any of the previous history? And that Montreal was built by English

. No she does not. And it won't be taught here either. Shame.

That's the fault of the school system. One shouldn't have to learn history from statues and road signs.
 
That's the fault of the school system. One shouldn't have to learn history from statues and road signs.

Not necessarily true. If you have ever done the Freedom Trail in Boston you learn a lot.

From Fanueil Hall, to Old North Church where Paul Revere was, to the Tea Party, all beginning of the American Revolution. About a five mile tour.

You can learn more from that than at school.
 
Not necessarily true. If you have ever done the Freedom Trail in Boston you learn a lot.

From Fanueil Hall, to Old North Church where Paul Revere was, to the Tea Party, all beginning of the American Revolution. About a five mile tour.

You can learn more from that than at school.

So, if the tour guide says "This used to be called Fanueil Hall, but the name was changed because Peter Fanueil was a slave trader", is that changing history or clarifying it?
 
*shrug* I'm not going to suddenly forget how evil the Civil War was just because some statues disappear. Even as a child, I never understood why they were there.
 
stop stopping for food when you fucking know you're going to be coming over around supper time, you stupid cunt.
 
History: An account mostly false, of events mostly unimportant, which are brought about by rulers mostly knaves, and soldiers mostly fools.
~Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary



Until lions have their historians, tales of the hunt shall always glorify the hunters.
~African Proverb​
 
there are these things called books

history books to be exact




April 1865: The Month That Saved America
(2001)
by Jay Winik
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Winik


...The author’s global approach offers the seasoned Civil War student a fresh perspective in a field dominated by narrowly focused studies that never consider the conflict from a national standpoint, let alone an international one. In breaking away from this provincial view, Winik draws from his vast experience as a senior staff member with the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and uses his firsthand knowledge to explain why so many 20th-century civil wars followed a cycle of endless bloodshed. In the case of the United States, the author found a surprising spirit of reconciliation that appeared immediately after Appomattox. Although he acknowledges that bitter, often violent political fights continued during Reconstruction–particularly over the status of freed blacks–Winik believes that Abraham Lincoln’s plea for compassion and forgiveness in his second inaugural address, Ulysses S. Grant’s and William T. Sherman’s generous surrender terms, and Robert E. Lee’s refusal to use guerilla warfare created an atmosphere that ultimately led to a lasting peace...





At Appomattox, R. E. Lee told his men to lay down their arms, go home and be good citizens. If he'd told those men to "take to the hills" and engage in guerilla warfare...

 


"Character," adherence to principles, devotion to duty, stoicism in the face of adversity and a willingness to stand up for what one believes— regardless of the consequences— are what many believe are part of the intangible known as "character."

For many people, the character of R. E. Lee continues to embody all that is worthy of emulation.




"I am fond of independence... It is that feeling that prompts me to come up strictly to the requirements of law and regulations. I wish neither to seek nor receive indulgence from anyone. I wish to feel under obligation to no one."
-Robert E. Lee
(from a letter dated June 22, 1851 to his son, Custis)​



Shortly after returning to Richmond following the surrender at Appomattox, Robert E. Lee was approached on the street by a young mother with her son in tow. She asked Lee what she should teach her son.

"Madam, teach him that he must deny himself."
-Robert E. Lee​




 
Aretha Franklin is opening her own nightclub so she can retire and still sing whenever she feels like it.

Imagine going on a date to a nightclub and Aretha Franklin comes in and sings...
 
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