The (Human) Pet Thread

[Homburg]

My relationships commonly have some aspects of Daddy/girl relationships, but I am skeezed by that terminology in relation to my own relationships. And there is not even a hint of age play or incest play involved*. The caring a nurturing aspects are commonly there, and tolerance of certain types of behaviours as well, but it is probably more accurate to say that the relationships trend more towards Person/pet (especially with MIS), a term I'd not heard until Syd used it.

It makes for an interesting idea, and I am thus following this thread.

And, as an aside, I took that quiz out of curiousity. I am unsurprisingly heavy on Acts of Service, and Touch comes next. Quality Time and Gifts are middling, and Words of Affirmation is almost non-existant.

Deeds, not Words.



* - No offense to those involved in those sorts of relationships. Fill your boots. I'm not bothered in the slightest by other people doing it. I'm just skeezed by that terminology showing up in MY life.

 

[celticsunspiral]

I am so glad this thread was started. I definetly identify with the "human" pet idea. Which has been really hard to define until now. When you say you like the name "kitten" or "pet" people automatically assume you mean that you want to be treated as the animal you identify with.

Awesome thoughts thus far.

 

[Lizzie_Borden]

Not to mention that the only gender options were male and female.

Of course in my personal opinion, ones gender only causes superficial differences between people. I don't believe that the way people like to be shown affection has anything to do with their gender.

I clicked on the link for the quiz, and the first question was of my gender, so I just closed it.

It might be worth having a gander at as a man, because it seems that all the 'acts of service' questions revolve around him doing them, not the other way around.

ETA: No, no it wasn't.

 

[00Syd]

My relationships commonly have some aspects of Daddy/girl relationships, but I am skeezed by that terminology in relation to my own relationships. And there is not even a hint of age play or incest play involved*. The caring a nurturing aspects are commonly there, and tolerance of certain types of behaviours as well, but it is probably more accurate to say that the relationships trend more towards Person/pet (especially with MIS), a term I'd not heard until Syd used it.

<snip>

* - No offense to those involved in those sorts of relationships. Fill your boots. I'm not bothered in the slightest by other people doing it. I'm just skeezed by that terminology showing up in MY life.

That's because I made it up

And yes, it's the same for us. Ive recognized some Daddy/girl aspects to our relationship, too, but we are also uncomfortable with that terminology, and also have absolutely no age play or incest play involved. But, like with you and MIS, there is the nurturing, and the tolerance, etc, and since my qualities tend towards animalism, and not at all towards little girl, it all ends up translating into Person/pet.

The reason why we ended up deciding that Seb's role was as my Person, rather than as my owner or something like that, was because neither of us felt comfortable with a label like that. There isn't enough of a power exchange for him to feel comfortable taking up that label, and I am just uncomfortable with a label like that, regardless. Person felt much more comfortable and natural to both of us. Also, when I think of a really good, close relationship between a person and their pet, I see them as being as much the pet's person, as the pet is their pet. And I like that idea for us. If that makes sense.

 

[Homburg]

That's because I made it up

You get down with your bad self.

 

[00Syd]

You get down with your bad self.

*Gets down in an extremely funky manner*

 

[BiBunny]

I was talking to the Masterly One today, and he said something about him being a pleaser. Then, he made a comment about how he'd been thinking a lot lately about how he's very much a pleaser personality (not so much a people-pleaser in general, but one who would give his right arm to see the people he loves happy), but not submissive at all.

I just kind of grinned to myself and thought, "Yeah, you're pleaser and not submissive, and I like to have my way, and I'm not dominant. It works."

And while I was just being flippant in my mind, it really does fit in some ways. He doesn't do the demanding Master thing well, and I don't do the long-suffering slave thing well. We know. We've tried. We're over it now. For some, it works, but for us, it failed miserably.

I guess the casual observer or reader on the forum would get from our Owner/pet or Big People/little girl dynamic that I'm just a bitch who tops from the bottom or whatever. I don't believe that's the case, though I guess nobody who does that thinks they're doing it, either.

I question myself a lot, and I know he does, too. The little anecdote above is just a small example. I wonder a lot if I'm really submissive, or if I'm really a manipulative bitch with low self-esteem who lets people walk all over her because she doesn't know how to say no and then blows up on people when she can't handle it anymore. I know many would say I'm the latter.

Luckily, they are not my Owners.

I know you're not supposed to care what people think. I know it's en vogue among kinky people to be conformingly non-conformist. "Do what works for you" and "who cares what people think?" and all that.

But I care. A part of me will always care. And a part of me will always measure myself up against some standard I'll never meet because that's just the way I am. (That's not just limited to my kinky life, either. Don't try to do two-bit psychoanalysis on me, though, please.)

Most of the time I think I'm a stubborn, whiny bitch. Then, I think back to all, all that I have been through to be with this man, things that almost no other self-identified "slave" or "submissive" or "pet" or "little girl" or God knows what else would have ever gone through for years and years. Things people told me I was crazy for. Things I've been publicly castigated for by condescending motherfuckers who thought they knew me better than I knew myself.

I still waver back and forth. I don't know what I am. I only know that it's not "submission" or "the power dynamic" or "TPE" or whatever it is that people talk about online that keeps me with this man. If he never wanted to tell me what to do to make his life better or if he never wanted to tie me up again, I'd stay. If he wanted to be submissive and wanted me to be dominant, I'd do it. (I've had a little taste of this. The man is not submissive, but he goes through heavy maso bottomy periods.)

It's love that keeps me with him--with them, because somewhere along the way, I fell in love with her, too, even though all the odds were against it for a very, very long time.

I saw a thread on FetLife, something to the effect of "Is love enough?" Nobody said yes. I thought it very depressing. All these people cited reasons they stayed with their SO(s) through tough times, and none of them included "love."

Why else would you stay, if not for love? I don't understand that. If that makes me not submissive, then so be it. I may not have much going for me, but I don't think anyone can ever say my love is not unconditional, submissive or not submissive.

What this has to do with being a pet, I'm not sure, but it felt like it needed to come out for some reason. Thanks for indulging me.

 

[the captians wench]

I have a habbit of catagorizing things and compairing them to a standard I've set in my head. Over anylitical I'm told. And it's a habbit Jounar gets very frusterated with.

I do have some sadist tendencies. They are few and far between, but they are there, and Jounar likes to share these with me as he does any other experience we have. My problem is getting over the "he Owner, me fat ass cunt" mentalitly to a point where I can actually do these toppy sort of things on him. It's a mental block that I have, and one he very much wishes for me to break.

It's not easy. I've spent my whole life being compaired to other people and compairing myself to other people. There are a great many things I can say "I don't give a fuck what you think" about, but this just isn't one of those things. For some reason I just can't get out of my head that a PYL acts this way and a pyl acts this way.

The biggest wall I come up against is when I think of myself as his slave. I've mentioned before that I believe he and I have different deffinitions of what this means, but on top of that, I think that he can switch modes where I have great difficulty doing that.

For him being an Owner is no different than being my lover, or partner, or Master, or any other title I wish to put on him. But for me, when you stick a shiney lable on me, I put everything into fitting into that lable, whether it be my deffinition or the world's.

Knowing I'm submissive is easy for me because I've always had a submissive personality. Being a pet even feels easy, because it combines my submissive personality with my need for attention. Being a slave is something I don't know that I can do anymore, not by my deffinition, but being his slave is something I want more than anything. Or maybe it's broader than that, I just want to be his in every way more than I want air in my lungs, what ever being his means.

Being a labler is something you and I have had in common, bunny. Unfortunately it's not something I know how to undo. I do know it's easier for me to think of myself as being his lover rather than any other title when we do something that doesn't fit my preconcieved notion of what D/s or M/s is. And I try not to think about what other people would think if they saw this or that, but when it comes to our relationship I can't help it. I think it's because I want us to be accepted more than I feel the need to be accepted by anyone except him even. I came to terms with the fact that I'm not going to be accepted in most cases by most people, and I think that helps, but I still want the world to see how wonderful he is, if that makes a lick of sense.

 

[unpredictablebijou]

I was talking to the Masterly One today, and he said something about him being a pleaser. Then, he made a comment about how he'd been thinking a lot lately about how he's very much a pleaser personality (not so much a people-pleaser in general, but one who would give his right arm to see the people he loves happy), but not submissive at all.

I just kind of grinned to myself and thought, "Yeah, you're pleaser and not submissive, and I like to have my way, and I'm not dominant. It works."

And while I was just being flippant in my mind, it really does fit in some ways. He doesn't do the demanding Master thing well, and I don't do the long-suffering slave thing well. We know. We've tried. We're over it now. For some, it works, but for us, it failed miserably.

I guess the casual observer or reader on the forum would get from our Owner/pet or Big People/little girl dynamic that I'm just a bitch who tops from the bottom or whatever. I don't believe that's the case, though I guess nobody who does that thinks they're doing it, either.

I totally get this. And no, I don't get the impression that you're 'topping from the bottom' or that every Master needs to be a self-absorbed prick to have any authority. I think that, as you've described, it's a lot more complicated than that.

What you've described is rather similar to the dynamic I have with my Pet. I absolutely identify with your Master's idea of himself as controlling in the sense that he seriously wants the people he loves to be happy and would do just about anything to accomplish that.

To some extent, my D/s relationship helps me with the frustrations I have with other relationships; I can hand people tools to help themselves be happier all day but I can't force those people to actually pick up the tools and use them. In A's case, I can actually demand that he try a particular thought experiment, or shift a behavior that I feel is destructive. He trusts me enough to at least try the things I suggest, and I'd like to think he benefits from that.

My bottom line goal is not to get exactly what I want from day to day, but to be surrounded by people who are happy and thriving. The main difference in the D/s dynamic is that I have a teency bit more control over the happiness and thriving part in his case. We can go round advising people we love all day long, or getting good solid advice from those who love us, and mostly we all just ignore each other and go on with our various stupid patterns. The dynamic of D/s gives us a little more control over that.

It goes both ways, too; in my zeal to behave well and be worthy of the goddess he sees within me, I'm more likely to examine myself for blind spots, destructive patterns, that sort of thing. And because one of the characteristics of his submission is his complete and intimate attention to me, to my moods and responses and behaviors, he is able to point out things that I might have missed.

Watching him have to weather my bad behaviors with grace gives me a great deal more motivation to adjust them. Example: the other day, I lost my temper about something and ranted around for a while. Later on, he pointed out that he could certainly see evidence for my Aries Moon; like an Aries, I have a short, sharp response to something that pisses me off, and then after a moment or two I'm done with it and ready to move on.

From his viewpoint, what he was asking was how he could best respond and assist during those moments. Should he stay out of the way, would it be better to stay close and try to help, that sort of thing. But I hadn't really noticed that particular pattern, at least to that extent, and so I was able to do more than just tell him what to do at that moment; I was also able to begin noticing the moment in myself and gaining more control over my choices.

I daresay that ideally, the D/s relationship is always going to benefit BOTH people equally; it gives each of them what they need, and inspires both partners to grow in accordance with a mutual desire for happiness.

 

[BiBunny]

Thanks, Wenchie and Bijou. That makes me feel lots better.

 

[00Syd]

I'm right with you, BB.

Some days I know for a fact that I'm submissive, and other days I cannot for the life of me remember why I would ever think that.

Yet, within our relationship, I am unquestionably on the submissive side of things, whether I actually feel submissive or not. So it doesn't really matter.

 

[BiBunny]

Collection of random thoughts:

I've been completely under his thumb yesterday and today. It's looking like it's going to be that way the whole time I'm here. Right now, I'm not doubting the submissiveness in the least. Nor am I fighting it the way I have done in the past.

The Owners who act like self-absorbed pricks who throw fits like little children when they don't get their way have never interested me. I just avoid them as much as possible and wonder why their subs/slaves/etc. put up with it. I guess the sub/slave/etc. people enjoy it, but it makes me want to bitch-slap the Owners and yell, "Grow the fuck up already!"

He calls me his little girl slave or his little pet girl. I guess I can identify with "slave" a little better when the "little girl" modifier is attached. I dunno how that makes it different, but it does. It's true that I'm about half pet and half little girl, between the ages of 3 and 7, usually. I'm a very small pet today, like a puppy or a kitten, I guess. That's the best way I can describe it.

I worship the two of them as only slightly less than God, whoever He/She/It/We/They may be (I haven't decided yet). Now that I'm no longer afraid that they'll get tired of me and kick me out on my ass, I don't push them and fight them anymore. I haven't even nudged in over three months, which is a record for me. I trust them now, with that complete trust of a little girl or a dog or a horse or whatever.

I'd be devastated if it were broken because they wanted to play childish games with me. I know they wouldn't do that, thank God.

Master found his dog (actual dog) dead next to the road yesterday. He's been upset in that way that stoic country men get upset. Not talking about it, not outwardly showing anything, but his laughter and his smartass remarks ring hollow. When he looks at her food bowl in the floor, you see the light go out of his eyes for a moment.

I've been doing a lot of sitting at his feet with my head in his lap. He's been petting my head like he pets the dog (singular "dog" now because the second one is gone). Poor man. I wish I knew what to do to help.

He leaned over to me last night in the midst of one of these petting sessions that's as much for him now as for me and told me that he loved me. "You are such a good and special little girl," he said. "There is very little in this world I wouldn't do to make you happy."

Yes, I cried. Sue me.

Such a departure from the Internet tough guy crap about how a sub/slave/pet/etc. has to find her own happiness and just deal with what Master Whiny Ass wants because he's not responsible for her happiness. Whatever, I can deal with not being a slave, as long as I can be close to this man forever.

He told me he knows that I'm worthless without him. It's true. I can't function without him in my life. Call it what you will, weak-willed or whatever. He promised I'd never have to do it again, and I believe him. For the first time, I believe him.

I'm theirs. Thank God I found them.

 

[Homburg]

I'm so glad to see that, especially knowing the history behind all of this. Makes me happy

 

[CurlyKat]

Thank you so much for sharing, Bunny. The complete honesty and candidness in your post is touching.

 

[BiBunny]

I'm so glad to see that, especially knowing the history behind all of this. Makes me happy

Truth is, if it weren't for you, most likely none of this would be happening.

Thank you so much for sharing, Bunny. The complete honesty and candidness in your post is touching.

Thank you. I'm glad you liked my blather.

 

[BiBunny]

Double post, but whatever. It's my thread, and I'm tired.

I dragged them with me (and the Kitty) to a wrestling show an hour away because my boss was going to be there, and I wanted to meet her in person. It was super-trashy, super-redneck, and utterly hilarious. They had no real reason to go to this thing, but they went. For me. Because they love me. And no other reason.

 

[00Syd]

Awesome, Bunny What a nice post to read.

I haven't reached that level of comfort yet, but I get a little closer every day. It's really wonderful to read how well everything is going for you and yours, because it makes me think that I might actually get there one of these days.

 

[BiBunny]

I think ownership is an important part of the Owner/pet dynamic. But I can't for the life of me figure out how to describe "ownership" as it pertains to a relationship like mine. Yes, I know, "You can't actually own another person."

Anybody got any insight?

 

[Homburg]

Well, I'm one of those people that says you cannot actually own anything in the political climate in this country. Caused a bit of an argument over it too.

That said, my only real insight (beyond the above) is to say, as trite as it is, Ownership is a state of mind. There is a difference. Trying to describe that difference is largely a pointless exercise for me. Sounds similar for you too, eh?

Though I do have some Frank Herbert muddling about in the back of my brain. Not a fully formed concept though.

 

[BiBunny]

Well, I'm one of those people that says you cannot actually own anything in the political climate in this country. Caused a bit of an argument over it too.

That said, my only real insight (beyond the above) is to say, as trite as it is, Ownership is a state of mind. There is a difference. Trying to describe that difference is largely a pointless exercise for me. Sounds similar for you too, eh?

Though I do have some Frank Herbert muddling about in the back of my brain. Not a fully formed concept though.

Yep, I pretty much came to the same conclusion, and I was hoping someone else felt more articulate than me, LOL.

 

[Kajira Callista]

Collection of random thoughts:

I've been completely under his thumb yesterday and today. It's looking like it's going to be that way the whole time I'm here. Right now, I'm not doubting the submissiveness in the least. Nor am I fighting it the way I have done in the past.

The Owners who act like self-absorbed pricks who throw fits like little children when they don't get their way have never interested me. I just avoid them as much as possible and wonder why their subs/slaves/etc. put up with it. I guess the sub/slave/etc. people enjoy it, but it makes me want to bitch-slap the Owners and yell, "Grow the fuck up already!"

He calls me his little girl slave or his little pet girl. I guess I can identify with "slave" a little better when the "little girl" modifier is attached. I dunno how that makes it different, but it does. It's true that I'm about half pet and half little girl, between the ages of 3 and 7, usually. I'm a very small pet today, like a puppy or a kitten, I guess. That's the best way I can describe it.

I worship the two of them as only slightly less than God, whoever He/She/It/We/They may be (I haven't decided yet). Now that I'm no longer afraid that they'll get tired of me and kick me out on my ass, I don't push them and fight them anymore. I haven't even nudged in over three months, which is a record for me. I trust them now, with that complete trust of a little girl or a dog or a horse or whatever.

I'd be devastated if it were broken because they wanted to play childish games with me. I know they wouldn't do that, thank God.

Master found his dog (actual dog) dead next to the road yesterday. He's been upset in that way that stoic country men get upset. Not talking about it, not outwardly showing anything, but his laughter and his smartass remarks ring hollow. When he looks at her food bowl in the floor, you see the light go out of his eyes for a moment.

I've been doing a lot of sitting at his feet with my head in his lap. He's been petting my head like he pets the dog (singular "dog" now because the second one is gone). Poor man. I wish I knew what to do to help.

He leaned over to me last night in the midst of one of these petting sessions that's as much for him now as for me and told me that he loved me. "You are such a good and special little girl," he said. "There is very little in this world I wouldn't do to make you happy."

Yes, I cried. Sue me.

Such a departure from the Internet tough guy crap about how a sub/slave/pet/etc. has to find her own happiness and just deal with what Master Whiny Ass wants because he's not responsible for her happiness. Whatever, I can deal with not being a slave, as long as I can be close to this man forever.

He told me he knows that I'm worthless without him. It's true. I can't function without him in my life. Call it what you will, weak-willed or whatever. He promised I'd never have to do it again, and I believe him. For the first time, I believe him.

I'm theirs. Thank God I found them.

I loved reading this. I love to see when people let go and become who they always were.
Thank you for sharing the, what i call, "transition" with us.

 

[ecstaticsub]

I think ownership is an important part of the Owner/pet dynamic. But I can't for the life of me figure out how to describe "ownership" as it pertains to a relationship like mine. Yes, I know, "You can't actually own another person."

Anybody got any insight?

I can tell you what ownership mean in my relationship. I don't live with my PYL, I am not a slave or a pet, I am a owned submissive. In my mind (and I would guess his,too) the difference between being an owned submissive and being a unowned submissive is similar to the difference between renting a house and owning it. (since I have lived in so many houses in my life, rented, owned, military housing this is a easy analopgy for me)

When I own a house I am proud of it. I pay attention to the details of the house. When I spend money improving the house I know it is an investment that will bring me pleasure in the long run. In a house I own I paint the walls any color I want, landscape however I want, renovate as I want. It is mine--I find peace and comfort in that ownership.

When I have rented a house i have to account to someone else to paint it. I care for it but not in the same way as a owned house. There is no emotional attachment. I may love the house, but since it is not mine I don't fall in love with it. A rented house is not as big of a commitment as a owned house. Owning a house is a much bigger risk.

To me being a owned submissive is like being a owned house. My owner has made a commitment in this relationship, he has taken a risk. It is a commitment that neither of us take lightly. It will not end because of a petty argument or even a major issue. I am owned, not rented.


ETA: Yeah, I know, really the bank owns my house even when my mortgage is fully paid off my house can be taken from me...but it is still closer to ownership than rental.

 

[unpredictablebijou]

I think ownership is an important part of the Owner/pet dynamic. But I can't for the life of me figure out how to describe "ownership" as it pertains to a relationship like mine. Yes, I know, "You can't actually own another person."

Anybody got any insight?

Well, here's my set of ideas, just in case they help.

I'm new to this "ownership" thing myself, and I'm still struggling to define exactly how it is the same and how it is different from a more typical relationship. Happily I have a couple of slightly more standard relationships with which to compare my experience of "owning" my precious Pet.

I hope this metaphor doesn't insult; I'm going to try to talk it through and just see where it leads.

My long time mate M is such a lover of dogs that we actually call him "Big Dog" most of the time around the house. He "owns" three dogs. He owns them in the sense that he is responsible for their well-being. However, in terms of the power dynamic in the relationship, they "own" him. He is completely enslaved to them, in every way, all the time. They rule his heart, his lifestyle, his entire day, his affections. Hell, he has about ten times as many pictures of them as he has of me.

While there are ways in which they are "submissive" to him, that is, they have to obey when he tells them to stop barking or refrain from going into the neighbor's yard, the power dynamic there is such that he is completely subject to their needs, their desires, their general health and happiness. There's no question as to who serves whom within that relationship. He would absolutely lay down his life for them, without a moment's hesitation.

Our household may be somewhat on the far end of the scale, in terms of how we regard our four-legged family members; they come first, at all times, and are absolutely part of every dynamic. So to say that I might treat a human "pet" like M treats his dogs would be to say that I would lay down my life for him, sculpt my day around him, do everything within my power to promote his happiness and well-being, prioritize his needs above my own at all times, without hesitation.

M's dogs 'submit' to him, not because they are forced to or trained to, but because of their absolute trust in him. They choose to acquiesce to him when he requests something, because they respect his judgment as the 'alpha' of the pack.

In my relationship with my human Pet, even calling him My Pet is something I did because he requested it, not because I insisted. When I ask him to do something, he does so because he trusts me, not out of any power or force within our relationship. I indulge his desire to submit, to be guided, to be taken on sexual and emotional journeys in which I am the provider of the experience.

Do I own him? Yes, absolutely, body and soul, mind and heart. Not because I insist on it, but because that is his wish. He is admittedly somewhat more intelligent than I am, (he will argue with that, but it's true) and definitely bigger and stronger than I am. So I own him because he asked me to; I could never have insisted on it. I take immense pleasure in doing so, of course, and I indulge my own desires within that relationship, but without that inherent respect and the contract of absolute trust between us, I wouldn't own a single cell of his being.

And I would take a spear for him, without a second's hesitation.

I hope that helps, or at least gives you one version of what ownership means. And let me say also that your recent posts give me great happiness; having watched you in your quest for love for a while now, I am really, really pleased that you have found the relationships you desire and deserve.

 

[BiBunny]

I loved reading this. I love to see when people let go and become who they always were.
Thank you for sharing the, what i call, "transition" with us.

Thank you.

I can tell you what ownership mean in my relationship. I don't live with my PYL, I am not a slave or a pet, I am a owned submissive. In my mind (and I would guess his,too) the difference between being an owned submissive and being a unowned submissive is similar to the difference between renting a house and owning it. (since I have lived in so many houses in my life, rented, owned, military housing this is a easy analopgy for me)

When I own a house I am proud of it. I pay attention to the details of the house. When I spend money improving the house I know it is an investment that will bring me pleasure in the long run. In a house I own I paint the walls any color I want, landscape however I want, renovate as I want. It is mine--I find peace and comfort in that ownership.

When I have rented a house i have to account to someone else to paint it. I care for it but not in the same way as a owned house. There is no emotional attachment. I may love the house, but since it is not mine I don't fall in love with it. A rented house is not as big of a commitment as a owned house. Owning a house is a much bigger risk.

To me being a owned submissive is like being a owned house. My owner has made a commitment in this relationship, he has taken a risk. It is a commitment that neither of us take lightly. It will not end because of a petty argument or even a major issue. I am owned, not rented.


ETA: Yeah, I know, really the bank owns my house even when my mortgage is fully paid off my house can be taken from me...but it is still closer to ownership than rental.

Sounds about right to me. Thank you!

Well, here's my set of ideas, just in case they help.

I'm new to this "ownership" thing myself, and I'm still struggling to define exactly how it is the same and how it is different from a more typical relationship. Happily I have a couple of slightly more standard relationships with which to compare my experience of "owning" my precious Pet.

I hope this metaphor doesn't insult; I'm going to try to talk it through and just see where it leads.

My long time mate M is such a lover of dogs that we actually call him "Big Dog" most of the time around the house. He "owns" three dogs. He owns them in the sense that he is responsible for their well-being. However, in terms of the power dynamic in the relationship, they "own" him. He is completely enslaved to them, in every way, all the time. They rule his heart, his lifestyle, his entire day, his affections. Hell, he has about ten times as many pictures of them as he has of me.

While there are ways in which they are "submissive" to him, that is, they have to obey when he tells them to stop barking or refrain from going into the neighbor's yard, the power dynamic there is such that he is completely subject to their needs, their desires, their general health and happiness. There's no question as to who serves whom within that relationship. He would absolutely lay down his life for them, without a moment's hesitation.

Our household may be somewhat on the far end of the scale, in terms of how we regard our four-legged family members; they come first, at all times, and are absolutely part of every dynamic. So to say that I might treat a human "pet" like M treats his dogs would be to say that I would lay down my life for him, sculpt my day around him, do everything within my power to promote his happiness and well-being, prioritize his needs above my own at all times, without hesitation.

M's dogs 'submit' to him, not because they are forced to or trained to, but because of their absolute trust in him. They choose to acquiesce to him when he requests something, because they respect his judgment as the 'alpha' of the pack.

In my relationship with my human Pet, even calling him My Pet is something I did because he requested it, not because I insisted. When I ask him to do something, he does so because he trusts me, not out of any power or force within our relationship. I indulge his desire to submit, to be guided, to be taken on sexual and emotional journeys in which I am the provider of the experience.

Do I own him? Yes, absolutely, body and soul, mind and heart. Not because I insist on it, but because that is his wish. He is admittedly somewhat more intelligent than I am, (he will argue with that, but it's true) and definitely bigger and stronger than I am. So I own him because he asked me to; I could never have insisted on it. I take immense pleasure in doing so, of course, and I indulge my own desires within that relationship, but without that inherent respect and the contract of absolute trust between us, I wouldn't own a single cell of his being.

And I would take a spear for him, without a second's hesitation.

I hope that helps, or at least gives you one version of what ownership means. And let me say also that your recent posts give me great happiness; having watched you in your quest for love for a while now, I am really, really pleased that you have found the relationships you desire and deserve.

Thank you. I think your version of ownership sounds quite lovely indeed.


I have been trying to formulate some sort of intelligent-sounding reply to my own question, but all I've been coming up with has either sounded stupid or would possibly offend someone. I'm not sure if I want to share my half-formed thoughts yet or not.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Hi everyone...

A couple of months ago, a friend of mine wrote a bit of fiction that showed a puppy/owner couple. it was fanfiction, but based on a couple she knows. Later, she added a pony girl, who boarded with them for a week. She's very careful to keep her action realistic and never goes past what's possible, and the stories are wonderfully hot-- even when there's no sex in them, and i like it hardcore!

So, me-- I'm a switch, but it's been years and years since I've been willing to sub, and what my friend showed me of puppy play made me think that was a sub headspace I could let myself get into without feeling totally insecure. Reading this thread explained a lot to me, about that first instinctive thought, and I realise that a pup isn't a 'sub' in any of the normal ways!

So of course, I am translating my desires into fiction myself. My characters are getting real complex real fast, and my butch dyke pup is usually the alpha in the relationship. Her partner is shy and soft-spoken, a perfect dog owner, much to the surprise of both of them. My pup would never have gone into this space if they had never met.

So thank you everyone for your wonderful insights and frank discussion