The healthhcare bill will help Republicans too! ~Micheal Moore

[Katyusha]

You havent been out looking for work lately have you ?

I have. I was unemployed while finishing school, now I'm badly under-employed. I'm still looking for a good job and doing everything I can to secure one, including having professionals go over my resume and cover-letter, speaking to career counselors, attending job fairs, you name it. Having the job I currently have is working against me, too, but I can't quit, that'll make me look even worse.

This has been going on for nearly three years now. You'd think SOMEBODY would be interested in a person who graduated business school with straight A's and all the recommendations and outstanding references I have, but no. The jobs just aren't out there, so nobody's willing to take a chance on someone with less than a year's experience in any of the fields a business degree covers. They're also not willing to risk hiring people who've had to take part-time jobs as cashiers, grocery baggers, shuttlers, etc., because to them it looks like we're not worth much as an employee regardless of what our previous employment records say.

It's not as easy out there as you're making it sound. And this makes already unaffordable care even more unaffordable. Why are bankruptcies due to health care expenses acceptable here? Why are dollars more important than people here? Why is it that some can't understand that the every-man-for-himself mentality DOES NOT WORK for a society, that the members of a society must look out for each other in addition to themselves in order for that society to thrive?

 

[Bobby_3111]

It's a real headscratcher that anyone would think that anyone lives in society in complete isolation and thinks of terms of "I can take care of all of my own needs all by myself and that nothing of mine effects anyone else and therefore I only want to be responsible for what is mine alone."

Each of us is invested in the health and well-being of each and everyone else--and in the macro sense couldn't have even a vestige of civilization and personal security and prosperity by going it completely alone (which just isn't possible anyway). Combining efforts and resources in an orderly fashion--that's how we get and keep "what is ours."

At the base level of health care, what good would my selfish mistaken belief that "a person can be an island" do me when everyone around me was walking around with untreated plague and when I got to needing someone to wipe my butt and blow my nose, there was no one either trained--or alive--to do that? And why don't I have as much responsibility to cover that as anyone else does?

There are a whole lot of people so mistakenly selfish and stupid that they aren't doing a whole lot of thinking.

Well that is a real good arguement you made for me there. You just described people that work as compared to people that sit on their asses waiting for a hand out thus proving my point that more people need to take care of themselves rather than waiting for the government to do it for them.

 

[Bobby_3111]

I have. I was unemployed while finishing school, now I'm badly under-employed. I'm still looking for a good job and doing everything I can to secure one, including having professionals go over my resume and cover-letter, speaking to career counselors, attending job fairs, you name it. Having the job I currently have is working against me, too, but I can't quit, that'll make me look even worse.

This has been going on for nearly three years now. You'd think SOMEBODY would be interested in a person who graduated business school with straight A's and all the recommendations and outstanding references I have, but no. The jobs just aren't out there, so nobody's willing to take a chance on someone with less than a year's experience in any of the fields a business degree covers. They're also not willing to risk hiring people who've had to take part-time jobs as cashiers, grocery baggers, shuttlers, etc., because to them it looks like we're not worth much as an employee regardless of what our previous employment records say.

It's not as easy out there as you're making it sound. And this makes already unaffordable care even more unaffordable. Why are bankruptcies due to health care expenses acceptable here? Why are dollars more important than people here? Why is it that some can't understand that the every-man-for-himself mentality DOES NOT WORK for a society, that the members of a society must look out for each other in addition to themselves in order for that society to thrive?

I am an industrial mechanic by trade but am currently working as a QC manager. It's not the job I want and I make less money, but the job is there for me and I do it until something better comes along.

 

[sr71plt]

Well that is a real good arguement you made for me there. You just described people that work as compared to people that sit on their asses waiting for a hand out thus proving my point that more people need to take care of themselves rather than waiting for the government to do it for them.

Ummm, no. I don't think you have a very intelligent take on "take care of themselves" at all. And I think that you are being sheeplishly simplistic. You aren't describing anything like what the complexity of real life is about.

 

[Bobby_3111]

Ummm, no. I don't think you have a very intelligent take on "take care of themselves" at all. And I think that you are being sheeplishly simplistic. You aren't describing anything like what the complexity of real life is about.

And you are jumping to conclusions, as usual.

 

[sr71plt]

And you are jumping to conclusions, as usual.

What conclusions? I assess from your postings alone that you aren't a particularly deep thinker. All of my postings to you have been based on what you posted--the shallow, simplistic nature of your statements.

 

[Bobby_3111]

What conclusions? I assess from your postings alone that you aren't a particularly deep thinker. All of my postings to you have been based on what you posted--the shallow, simplistic nature of your statements.

Again with the petty insults, do you even use your brain for anything other than trying to score smartass points ?

Jesus man, grow up.

 

[sr71plt]

do you even use your brain for anything other than trying to score smartass points ?

Yes, and I think I have done so here. I think you are the one who can't stay with an informed, rational discussion on this. I've yet to see any evidence that you realize what the benefits and responsibilities are of being a member of society--and that your "I go it alone" philosophy just doesn't wash.

 

[Bobby_3111]

Yes, and I think I have done so here. I think you are the one who can't stay with an informed, rational discussion on this. I've yet to see any evidence that you realize what the benefits and responsibilities are of being a member of society--and that your "I go it alone" philosophy just doesn't wash.

I do go it alone, sorry but I dont need anyone's approval, help, or say-so to succeed in this life, maybe you do, but I dont.

 

[oggbashan]

Lady Guinevere's post 70 above has a link to an interesting table.

The US government already spends MORE of its income (18.5%) than any of the countries compared on health care to fund only 45.4% of the total cost. The UK government spends 15.8% to fund 81.7% of total health care. (Note that 18.3% of health care in the UK is NOT provided by the government)

The total cost of health care in the US by all providers is 16% of its GDP compared with 8.4% in the UK, 8.7% in Australia; 10.1% in Canada; 11% in France and 9.1% in Sweden.

It appears that the health care industry in the US is bleeding the country dry without providing basic cover for all its citizens.

Og

 

[sr71plt]

I do go it alone, sorry but I dont need anyone's approval, help, or say-so to succeed in this life, maybe you do, but I dont.

No you don't go it alone. That's my point--and if you genuinely think you do, you're not a particularly deep thinker (as I posted).

You say you go to work. Walk down to the end of your driveway. If there's a road there leading to your work, you are not "going it alone." Try to do a little observation of the world around you.

 

[sr71plt]

It appears that the health care industry in the US is bleeding the country dry without providing basic cover for all its citizens.

Og

The conventional wisdom on this is because we apply the Bandaid at the catastrophic point rather than at the preventative or early detection point.

 

[Bobby_3111]

No you don't go it alone. That's my point--and if you genuinely think you do, you're not a particularly deep thinker (as I posted).

You say you go to work. Walk down to the end of your driveway. If there's a road there leading to your work, you are not "going it alone." Try to do a little observation of the world around you.

Sometimes I think idiots like you are that way because they either think too much or dont think at all.

The road i drive to work on is built by contractors who *work* and make the road, repave it, etc.

Is that all you got ?

 

[sr71plt]

The road i drive to work on is built by contractors who *work* and make the road, repave it, etc.

You really think that's who is responsible for putting that road there and getting it paid for? That's astonishing.

But it does sort of explain a lot about your posts.

 

[Bobby_3111]

You really think that's who is responsible for putting that road there and getting it paid for? That's astonishing.

But it does sort of explain a lot about your posts.

Are you really that dumb ? Even a moron can figure out how taxes work to pay for roads. Being contrary doesnt make you look cool, it only makes you make you look like an idiot.

 

[sr71plt]

Are you really that dumb ? Even a moron can figure out how taxes work to pay for roads. Being contrary doesnt make you look cool, it only makes you make you look like an idiot.

You're the one who came up with a different answer than what "even a moron" could come up with.

Apparently you are having trouble figuring out that benefit of paying taxes thing and combining effort for the benefit not only of society as a whole but also for each individual within the society.

I'm quite pleased by what these postings are revealing, though.

 

[Huckleman2000]

Opinions turn favorable on healthcare plan

WASHINGTON — Americans by 9 percentage points have a favorable view of the health care overhaul that President Obama signed into law Tuesday, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds, a notable turnaround from surveys before the vote that showed a plurality against it.

By 49%-40% those surveyed say it was "a good thing" rather than a bad one that Congress passed the bill. Half describe their reaction in positive terms, as "enthusiastic" or "pleased," while about four in 10 describe it in negative ways, as "disappointed" or "angry."

The largest single group, 48%, calls the bill "a good first step" that should be followed by more action on health care. An additional 4% also have a favorable view, saying the bill makes the most important changes needed in the nation's health care system.

Well, so much for that Right-wing talking point

 

[Bobby_3111]

You really think that's who is responsible for putting that road there and getting it paid for? That's astonishing.

But it does sort of explain a lot about your posts.

So *Pilot* (and from your childish personality i'm really starting to doubt your previous occupation) what are your specific thoughts and projections going to be when the Bill's many variations are finally hammered out ?

Instead of throwing out "Oh look at me i'm so smart and cool" big words that have little bearing on the topic, lets hear what you think of the Bill's Pro's and Con's.

Or is that even possible for you ?

 

[Bobby_3111]

You're the one who came up with a different answer than what "even a moron" could come up with.

Apparently you are having trouble figuring out that benefit of paying taxes thing and combining effort for the benefit not only of society as a whole but also for each individual within the society.

I'm quite pleased by what these postings are revealing, though.

Paying taxes for something I use daily is a given, paying taxes for someone to freeload is entirely different, cant you get anything right?

 

[sr71plt]

So *Pilot* (and from your childish personality i'm really starting to doubt your previous occupation) what are your specific thoughts and projections going to be when the Bill's many variations are finally hammered out ?

Instead of throwing out "Oh look at me i'm so smart and cool" big words that have little bearing on the topic, lets hear what you think of the Bill's Pro's and Con's.

Or is that even possible for you ?

I'll wait and see what actually is hammered out--and how well it performs. I won't knee jerk Chicken Little it. (I think that brings us back full circle on this thread now).

Again, why are my postings childish? You keep attacking on that, but you don't bother to back it up.

 

[sr71plt]

Paying taxes for something I use daily is a given, paying taxes for someone to freeload is entirely different, cant you get anything right?

If you benefit in any way from the taxes you pay (again, go down to the end of your driveway and check on whether there is a road there--and this, of course, is only a tip-of-the-iceberg example), you haven't gone it alone, have you? You keep ducking this. Yes or no?

Be an adult; answer a serious question.

 

[Huckleman2000]

[...]Instead of throwing out "Oh look at me i'm so smart and cool" big words that have little bearing on the topic, lets hear what you think of the Bill's Pro's and Con's.[...]

Wow. Stupid and proud not to use "big words."
You snag the winners, don't you sr71plt?

 

[Bobby_3111]

I'll wait and see what actually is hammered out--and how well it performs. I won't knee jerk Chicken Little it. (I think that brings us back full circle on this thread now).

Again, why are my postings childish? You keep attacking on that, but you don't bother to back it up.

Because you are oblivious to anyone else except your own voice. You make no points, no arguements, you only belittle and try to twist words around to your own benefit, that is very childish.

If you were actually capable of making a point, you would have been able to do so by now, but instead you only try to make someone less in order to make yourself more.

 

[Bobby_3111]

Wow. Stupid and proud not to use "big words."
You snag the winners, don't you sr71plt?

Heckle much?

 

[sr71plt]

Because you are oblivious to anyone else except your own voice. You make no points, no arguements, you only belittle and try to twist words around to your own benefit, that is very childish.

If you were actually capable of making a point, you would have been able to do so by now, but instead you only try to make someone less in order to make yourself more.

If you benefit in any way from the taxes you pay (again, go down to the end of your driveway and check on whether there is a road there--and this, of course, is only a tip-of-the-iceberg example), you haven't gone it alone, have you? You keep ducking this. Yes or no?

Be an adult; answer a serious question.