The healthhcare bill will help Republicans too! ~Micheal Moore

[Bobby_3111]

Now Bobby, you can't ignore the part of the discussion that proves your argument is baseless. Well, actually you can, but it makes you look like a wuss. (10% unemployment rate - more than likely in the neighborhood of 20% if you count the under-employed and the ones who have totally fallen off the grid.)

I'm not ignoring anything, I gave my opinion on it. Come back at me with more than just a few sentences saying i'm a idiot for taking care of myself instead of everyone else and we'll go from there.

 

[DeeZire]

There is a vague, fuzzy dream promoted by our resident socialists; ...

Haven't you heard Ami? The term "Socialist" is passe. It's only being used by the ill-informed and the ideologically challenged. You need to step up your game, brainstorm some fresh bullshit. At least when JBJ posts he's clever with his drivel. Your drivel hasn't changed since the 50's.

 

[DeeZire]

I'm not ignoring anything, I gave my opinion on it. Come back at me with more than just a few sentences saying i'm a idiot for taking care of myself instead of everyone else and we'll go from there.

Okay. How is a able-bodied American supposed to keep a roof over his head and food on the table when there are no jobs? (Hint: The answer does not contain the word "bootstraps.")

ETA: Actually, it's a rhetorical question. I have better things to do than try to educate those who can't see past their own wallets.

 

[Bobby_3111]

Okay. How is a able-bodied American supposed to keep a roof over his head and food on the table when there are no jobs? (Hint: The answer does not contain the word "bootstraps.")

You havent been out looking for work lately have you ?

 

[amicus]

Actually, it is you who are behind the times. On all three 'cable' channels, the question was posed as to whether Obama, in both his campaign and his Presidency, is a Socialist, attempting to 'transform' America into a European styled 'Socialist' State.

Of all the like minded left on this forum, only Pure has had the audacity to identify himself as a Socialist.

You scared or sumpin?

Amicus

 

[Bobby_3111]

Okay. How is a able-bodied American supposed to keep a roof over his head and food on the table when there are no jobs? (Hint: The answer does not contain the word "bootstraps.")

Well my brother has, it took him all of 2 months to find a job because he searched and looked and went to about a dozen interviews (He was laid off after the plant moved operations to another state). He went out and found a job, it's in how bad you want it.

 

[Bobby_3111]

Well anywayz, i'm off to work, and i'm sure if a drunk driver hits me on my way there that the health coverage I pay for with my own money will cover the doctor's bills. Goodnight.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Well anywayz, i'm off to work, and i'm sure if a drunk driver hits me on my way there that the health coverage I pay for with my own money will cover the doctor's bills. Goodnight.

This bill will let you pay for your insurance with your own money-- less of your own money.

AND, it will make sure that you don't get dropped by your insurance company after your bills get higher than they like.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

yeah! And where does it say that the government should take states rights away regarding children's education? Or force states to accept interracial marriages, and women's rights? or look out for the commonweal overall?

Huh, huh?

Your right there shouldn't even be a Department of Education at the federal level...why do you think our child are being dumbed down...so they will be dependent on the federal government for their lives.

Glad you're are finally seeing the light.

ETA: In section 8 the constitution grants the power to protect the commonwealth (the country).

Section. 8.
Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Clause 2: To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

Clause 3: To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

Clause 4: To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

Clause 5: To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

Clause 6: To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

Clause 7: To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

Clause 8: To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

Clause 9: To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

Clause 10: To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

Clause 11: To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

Clause 12: To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

Clause 13: To provide and maintain a Navy;

Clause 14: To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

Clause 15: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

Clause 16: To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

Clause 17: To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, byCession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And

Clause 18: To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

This bill will let you pay for your insurance with your own money-- less of your own money.

AND, it will make sure that you don't get dropped by your insurance company after your bills get higher than they like.

Whose money is going to be used??? to make up the difference?

And if you think that premiums will go down because of this POS legislation you need to talk to some of the "stupid" people you see for medical care. You know those evil conservatives you hate so much.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Your right there shouldn't even be a Department of Education at the federal level...why do you think our child are being dumbed down...so they will be dependent on the federal government for their lives.

Glad you're are finally seeing the light.

ETA: In section 8 the constitution grants the power to protect the commonwealth (the country).

Once Nixon got ahold of the DE, yeah-- we haven't yet recovered, and Bush of course, did his damndest to emasculate it under the Wellsian doublespeak of "no child left behind."

But if education were left up to the states, Idaho and Florida wouldn't have public schools at all, and Texas children would be learning bible studies. That's why the feds got involved in the first place.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Whose money is going to be used??? to make up the difference?

You've asked the same question fifty times and it's been answered fifty times.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

STELLA does look like a zombie!

 

[Zeb_Carter]

New CNN Poll: 59% Oppose Obamacare

Of course, given the findings of the CNN poll, the White House has it’s work cut out. In addition to the nearly 6 in 10 Americans who oppose the legislation, the poll also found very little good news about the bill’s details.

• 62 percent say the amount they pay for medical care will increase.
• 47 percent think they’ll be worse off when it becomes law.
• 70 percent believe the federal budget deficit will go up — contrary to repeated claims from Democrats.
• 56 percent view Obamacare as creating too much government involvement in health care.

Now Huck posted the results of this poll in another thread/post but left out a lot of data, only posting that which agreed with his beliefs. You can read the whole poll and make your own decision, just click on the poll link.

 

[sr71plt]

New http://blog.heritage.org/2010/03/22/new-cnn-poll-59-oppose-obamacare/: 59% Oppose Obamacare

Of course, given the findings of the CNN poll, the White House has it’s work cut out. In addition to the nearly 6 in 10 Americans who oppose the legislation, the poll also found very little good news about the bill’s details.

• 62 percent say the amount they pay for medical care will increase.
• 47 percent think they’ll be worse off when it becomes law.
• 70 percent believe the federal budget deficit will go up — contrary to repeated claims from Democrats.
• 56 percent view Obamacare as creating too much government involvement in health care.

We'll see if what they "think" based on all of the mindless attacking crap that's been launched at this pans out. From this point we certainly can't say. All we can say is that someone tried to do something--which is more than the Republicans ever tried. That much we can say.

 

[TxRad]

STELLA does look like a zombie!

And you look like an idiot.

Oh, wait, you are an idiot, so it all works out.

 

[CharleyH]

Subject: The Great Thing About the Health Care Law That Has Passed? It Will Save Republican Lives, Too (An Open Letter to Republicans from Michael Moore)
Reply-To: maillist@michaelmoore.com

Monday, March 22nd, 2010

To My Fellow Citizens, the Republicans:

Cudos, in my opinion, for the Health Care Bill. European news hasn't much covered it, but Fox News brought on a Canadian guy today. He had a back pain, went to one doctor, and that doctor said that if he wanted elective surgery, wait in line or go to a private clinic in the US and pay 200K (that's why he was on Fox news). The report all but smashed the Canadian health-care system, but let me see ... aristocratic back pain, perhaps a hernia vs. serious back trauma in the Public Health system .. the guy with the hernia has money, the guy who is on his death bed doesn't even have health insurance ...hm ... who to save.

 

[Tio_Narratore]

OK, just a small note as an American taxpayer...

I believe the statement is "entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

I'll grant it doesn't guarantee happiness, just the right to pursue it. I'm comfortable with that.

But it doesn't say "entitled to life, if they have enough money to pay for medical expenses; otherwise, they can die." Seems to me many of the people here who claim their right to liberty have no interest in any already-born person's right to life. Sorry, the document's not for a bit of the old pick-and-choose.

 

[Bobby_3111]

OK, just a small note as an American taxpayer...

I believe the statement is "entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

I'll grant it doesn't guarantee happiness, just the right to pursue it. I'm comfortable with that.

But it doesn't say "entitled to life, if they have enough money to pay for medical expenses; otherwise, they can die." Seems to me many of the people here who claim their right to liberty have no interest in any already-born person's right to life. Sorry, the document's not for a bit of the old pick-and-choose.

It should have been "Entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness without the interference or heavy taxation of any one form of government."

Helping your fellow man should be a choice, not a law.

 

[Lady_Guenivere]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada

Thought this was informative. In particular, I like the grid which shows comparisons of countries.

 

[Tio_Narratore]

It should have been "Entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness without the interference or heavy taxation of any one form of government."

Helping your fellow man should be a choice, not a law.

Helping your fellow man is a choice; protecting his rights is an obligation, if you want to have your rights.

Yes, I may disagree with you, but I will fight your your right to disagree. America was founded on invidual liberty and on individual rights. The Bill of Rights was added to the Constitution to guard against the tyranny of the majority. Let's have a society wherein diversity is organized rather than one where homogeneity is enforced. Vive la difference, mes amis! Liberte! Fraternite! Egalite!

 

[Bobby_3111]

Helping your fellow man is a choice; protecting his rights is an obligation, if you want to have your rights.

Yes, I may disagree with you, but I will fight your your right to disagree. America was founded on invidual liberty and on individual rights. The Bill of Rights was added to the Constitution to guard against the tyranny of the majority. Let's have a society wherein diversity is organized rather than one where homogeneity is enforced. Vive la difference, mes amis! Liberte! Fraternite! Egalite!

The new law just passed made it an obligation, that's why I think it isnt worth the paper it's printed on.

 

[PoppingTom]

Helping your fellow man should be a choice, not a law.

You mean helping that lazy loser bastard fucking around and is now justified dead there on the entrance of the hospital because he preferred to drink than to invest in healthcare insurances, I don't know him, but you know how these people are, should be a choice and not a law ?

 

[sr71plt]

It's a real headscratcher that anyone would think that anyone lives in society in complete isolation and thinks of terms of "I can take care of all of my own needs all by myself and that nothing of mine effects anyone else and therefore I only want to be responsible for what is mine alone."

Each of us is invested in the health and well-being of each and everyone else--and in the macro sense couldn't have even a vestige of civilization and personal security and prosperity by going it completely alone (which just isn't possible anyway). Combining efforts and resources in an orderly fashion--that's how we get and keep "what is ours."

At the base level of health care, what good would my selfish mistaken belief that "a person can be an island" do me when everyone around me was walking around with untreated plague and when I got to needing someone to wipe my butt and blow my nose, there was no one either trained--or alive--to do that? And why don't I have as much responsibility to cover that as anyone else does?

There are a whole lot of people so mistakenly selfish and stupid that they aren't doing a whole lot of thinking.

 

[sr71plt]

Some folks around here remind me of the TaxMasters commercial that's been showing on my TV for years (by a tax auditor's firm) that poses the statement of "Is the IRS coming to your home or office and harassing you to pay your back taxes? Call TaxMasters and we can help [you avoid them]."

Hell, if someone isn't paying their back taxes, I want the IRS to be harrassing them for the bill. Why should I have to carry deadbeats? It's not like they aren't (and haven't been) benefiting from all that taxes pay for (in a much more cost-effective and time/energy-saving way than I could possibily to as an individual) as much as I am.