The gay marriage thread

cumallday said:
Thanks to strap-on dildos any woman can sodomize a man too. I tend to think it's the challenge homosexuality poses to traditionally defined gender roles, of which heterosexual men have the most to gain from, that causes the biggest fright.
You're right; homophobia does have to do with defined gender roles, about who's doing the fucking. If you "receive" then you're a girl (and the weaker sex), if you "insert" then you're the guy and the stronger sex. Among the Romans, for example, it was perfectly all right for a Roman Man to fuck another man, so long as that man wasn't a Roman, and was "receiving." It's that dominant position. The Roman was "the man" and everyone was else was a conquered "woman."

Which is pretty much my point. It's all about pecking order and masculinity. A woman with a strap-on might or might not be a sexual turn on to a guy, but in the end, she's still a woman and the guy is (presumably) still bigger and stronger than her, and if it's going to happen, he's going to let it happen. But guys prove their power over other guys in fights, by overpowering them. They beat or wrestle each other to the ground. And if the winning male literally fucks the loser, that demonstrates dominance. It says, "I'm male and you're not!" It very much a visceral and animal level reaction.

Which isn't to say that a more effeminate gay man is going to be ignored by homophobics; I'm just discussing why, I think, sodomy is always discussed in regards to homosexuality and rarely, if ever, fellatio.
 
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3113 said:
You're right; homophobia does have to do with defined gender roles, about who's doing the fucking. If you "receive" then you're a girl (and the weaker sex), if you "insert" then you're the guy and the stronger sex. Among the Romans, for example, it was perfectly all right for a Roman Man to fuck another man, so long as that man wasn't a Roman, and was "receiving." It's that dominant position. The Roman was "the man" and everyone was else was a conquered "woman."

Which is pretty much my point. It's all about pecking order and masculinity. A woman with a strap-on might or might not be a sexual turn on to a guy, but in the end, she's still a woman and the guy is (presumably) still bigger and stronger than her, and if it's going to happen, he's going to let it happen. But guys prove their power over other guys in fights, by overpowering them. They beat or wrestle each other to the ground. And if the winning male literally fucks the loser, that demonstrates dominance. It says, "I'm male and you're not!" It very much a visceral and animal level reaction.

Which isn't to say that a more effeminate gay man is going to be ignored by homophobics; I'm just discussing why, I think, sodomy is always discussed in regards to homosexuality and rarely, if ever, fellatio.

Even the Playboy Advisor is running things about girls doing their boyfriends with various size dildos -- so the whole idea of men receiving anal sex is going more mainstream.
 
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