The fetish imagination

[CharleyH]

I am not writing a story, but as I do what I'm doing, it occurred to me - what if I was writing a narrative?

I have only read a couple of fetish stories on Lit, and in all honesty I felt they lacked the 'fetish' imagination. I always expected a fetish story would linger on the object rather than the sex. A person might have a shoe fetish for example, so wouldn't the focus of any sexual gratification come from contact with the object of the shoe rather than the wearer? I also see this on porn sites - advertising a fetish, but focusing on hardcore. I always considered these sites as 'wannabe' sites.

So, I thought I'd throw the question out to the AH:

Have you written a fetish story? How much attention do you give the fetish compared to any sex? Or, if you have not written one, how much attention do you think you should give to the fetish in an erotic narrative?

 

[oggbashan]

Yes, I've written several fetish stories.

Sometimes I'm satirising the fetish - The Vinyl Dress

Sometimes I tried to take it to the extreme - His Bad Hair Day

Tentacle Porn can be a fetish. I tried to write a believable story - The Giant Squid.

Bagged at the Opera seems to work for those who like being bagged or sacked. So does Her Pink Quilted Coat.

My Flawed Red Silk series is for panties lovers.

Breastfeeding Class is for fetishists who like breasts and lactation.

Trapped is for nylon fetishists. (and is a disaster for everyone else!)

Og

My latest, Kitchen Wrap, is a common fetish.

 

[Guest]

I am not writing a story, but as I do what I'm doing, it occurred to me - what if I was writing a narrative?

I have only read a couple of fetish stories on Lit, and in all honesty I felt they lacked the 'fetish' imagination. I always expected a fetish story would linger on the object rather than the sex. A person might have a shoe fetish for example, so wouldn't the focus of any sexual gratification come from contact with the object of the shoe rather than the wearer? I also see this on porn sites - advertising a fetish, but focusing on hardcore. I always considered these sites as 'wannabe' sites.

So, I thought I'd throw the question out to the AH:

Have you written a fetish story? How much attention do you give the fetish compared to any sex? Or, if you have not written one, how much attention do you think you should give to the fetish in an erotic narrative?

The only fetish stories I've read weren't to my taste. Though it was more the subject matter rather than the skill of the writer, I believe.

It would be an adventure to write from the perspective of a seriously driven person, someone who is wildly aroused by that which may be of only mild interest to someone else.

I haven't done a true fetish story, and quite honestly, you've sparked my interest, Charlie girl.

 

[CharleyH]

The only fetish stories I've read weren't to my taste. Though it was more the subject matter rather than the skill of the writer, I believe.

It would be an adventure to write from the perspective of a seriously driven person, someone who is wildly aroused by that which may be of only mild interest to someone else.

I haven't done a true fetish story, and quite honestly, you've sparked my interest, Charlie girl.

Sparking interest is always a great thing. Thanks Sarah and Og. I find it fascinating. It has always been on my mind, but I don't think it ever drove home, so to speak, until recent research.

love the new AV!

 

[rgraham666]

Nope. Haven't written a fetish story.

On the other hand, for me just plain old vanilla sex is a fetish for me.

 

[Guest]

Sparking interest is always a great thing. Thanks Sarah and Og. I find it a fascinating question simply. It has always been on my mind, but I don't think it ever drove home, so to speak, since recent research.

love the new AV!

 

[Belegon]

I have a story in the Fetish category, but mostly because I was focused on something where I thought it might find the right readership. In many ways I think it would fit just as well in Erotic Couplings...

 

[oggbashan]

I think that the fetish CAN replace sex. I tried hardest to explore the difference between a fetishist's viewpoint and normal interaction between the sexes in His Bad Hair Day. He sees only the hair, not the woman.

For some fetishists, any bad story that caters for their particular fetish is intensely erotic. That is why I have tried to write for minority interests. One of the weirdest I've tried so far is Unbirth - my stories 'The Virgin Unbirth' 'Hypnotic' and 'Intent'. Even my worst rated stories 'White Scut' and 'Donna' (which is really a depressing modern morality tale), were welcomed by the Unbirth fetishists because they include unbirth.

There are even subsets of Unbirth - equine unbirth; scaly unbirth (dragons and snakes); furry unbirth (bears) and Vore - unbirth as eating. There's nowt so weird as folk.

Og

 

[CharleyH]

I think that the fetish CAN replace sex. I tried hardest to explore the difference between a fetishist's viewpoint and normal interaction between the sexes in His Bad Hair Day. He sees only the hair, not the woman.

For some fetishists, any bad story that caters for their particular fetish is intensely erotic. That is why I have tried to write for minority interests. One of the weirdest I've tried so far is Unbirth - my stories 'The Virgin Unbirth' 'Hypnotic' and 'Intent'. Even my worst rated stories 'White Scut' and 'Donna' (which is really a depressing modern morality tale), were welcomed by the Unbirth fetishists because they include unbirth.

There are even subsets of Unbirth - equine unbirth; scaly unbirth (dragons and snakes); furry unbirth (bears) and Vore - unbirth as eating. There's nowt so weird as folk.

Og

Well, I think sometimes it does. I don't really have any 'fetish' per se. I do think men have more than women, though. The men who I have been with and who are totally into the fetish seem to prefer the fantasy, and enjoy jerking off as it plays out, rather than having sex. They also seem to hate porn sites that promise fetish and deliver hardcore.

Would it be much different in the writing of fetish?

(P.S. what is an "unbirth" fetish exactly )

 

[oggbashan]

Well, I think sometimes it does. I don't really have any 'fetish' per se. I do think men have more than women, though. The men who I have been with and who are totally into the fetish seem to prefer the fantasy, and enjoy jerking off as it plays out, rather than having sex. They also seem to hate porn sites that promise fetish and deliver hardcore.

Would it be much different in the writing of fetish?

(P.S. what is an "unbirth" fetish exactly )

You are right. The fetish replaces sex and is destructive of normal relationships. The fetish is enough on its own.

Writing for a particular fetish is a challenge because you are writing to gratify that fetish. If a reader is a fetishist, then the characters in the story are unimportant. If the fetish is included prominently the rest of the story is irrelevant.

Unbirth? It is the introduction of an adult (18+ for Lit) human into a female's womb usually through the vaginal canal and the retention of that adult within the womb either temporarily or permanently. The apparent attraction is complete penetration of the woman and being surrounded and enfolded within her. The Oedipus complex taken to extremes.

Variations include breast unbirth - being taken into the woman's body through her cleavage - or vore where the woman eats the adult whole. As I wrote above there are other unbirth scenarios with the adult being 'unbirthed' into a mare, a female bear, a dragon, a snake, a fish etc.

Did Jonah know he was being 'unbirthed' by the whale?

Read my story 'The Virgin Unbirth' to get the idea. Conservation of Mass is a real problem with unbirth stories.

Og

 

[CharleyH]

You are right. The fetish replaces sex and is destructive of normal relationships. The fetish is enough on its own.

Writing for a particular fetish is a challenge because you are writing to gratify that fetish. If a reader is a fetishist, then the characters in the story are unimportant. If the fetish is included prominently the rest of the story is irrelevant.

Unbirth? It is the introduction of an adult (18+ for Lit) human into a female's womb usually through the vaginal canal and the retention of that adult within the womb either temporarily or permanently. The apparent attraction is complete penetration of the woman and being surrounded and enfolded within her. The Oedipus complex taken to extremes.

Variations include breast unbirth - being taken into the woman's body through her cleavage - or vore where the woman eats the adult whole. As I wrote above there are other unbirth scenarios with the adult being 'unbirthed' into a mare, a female bear, a dragon, a snake, a fish etc.

Did Jonah know he was being 'unbirthed' by the whale?

Og

Again, thanks, Og. I like the conversation.

So, unbirth? Might this include fisting in your opinion?

 

[Colleen Thomas]

I think a lot depends on the fetish and on the degree to which the person of the character is devoted to it.

A guy with a powerful shoe fetish might get a more statisfactory orgasm jerkin goff into a stilletto heel than he would fucking a girl wearing them. Or the sight of her in them might make sex with her more satisfactory.

There are true bonadge afficiandos to whom the bondage is the sexual aspect. Likewise there are those with spanking/caneing fetishis where that act replaces sex.

In written erotica, you generally don't deal with a true paraphiliac. It's hardly erotica if you do, save for those who share that desire. I think there is a trade off in there of focusing on the item, but still writing sex scenes. Where a true devotee wouldn't neccissarily need the sex to find it erotic.

 

[CharleyH]

In written erotica, you generally don't deal with a true paraphiliac. It's hardly erotica if you do, save for those who share that desire. I think there is a trade off in there of focusing on the item, but still writing sex scenes. Where a true devotee wouldn't neccissarily need the sex to find it erotic.

And yet one could say this of every category, really. If you write of dykes all the time, will I get turned on if I like femmes, and am not a dyke?If I write of models all the time, will you get turned on if you can't relate? Isn't identification what it comes down to?

I think we can write a very erotic and exciting, hot fetish scene that appeals to many and not one. Isn't that what we do, afterall, when the object of the fetish is a woman?

 

[Colleen Thomas]

And yet one could say this of every category, really. If you write of dykes all the time, will I get turned on if I like femmes, and am not a dyke?If I write of models all the time, will you get turned on if you can't relate? Isn't identification what it comes down to?

I think we can write a very erotic and exciting, hot fetish scene that appeals to many and not one. Isn't that what we do, afterall, when the object of the fetish is a woman?

With the priviso that enough readers share a fetish for women.

If you are writing to a true fetishist, then you are writing to a relatively minor subset of readers.

Stories written for a particular fetish, just aren't liely to hold the interest of someone who dosen't share it. Two pages explaining in intricate deatail how you tied your GF up might really do it for a bondage guy, but if at the end of the scene you untie her kiss and go to bed, most of us will probably feel we just wasted out time, while your ftishism might have cum halfway through your prose.

You have to play some trade off, if you want to open up a fetishistic story to a larger audicence.

 

[elsol]

It's difficult to write for a 'true' fetish because you can't really give the fetishist what keys them to making it sexual. You can describe the feel of leather but it doesn't compare to touching smooth leather stretched tightly around her hip.

You can't smell the leather!

In my opinion, you have to push the details towards letting the reader fill them in; while you work more on the situation.

But there are 'literary' fetishes... like Mind-Control; I consider Incest to be in this category of lit-fetish.

The reader can't experience that fetish except in the literary form (yes, you can experience Incest but 'never' in the form the stories take).

Within the basic genre, there are sub-fetishist and some stories are aimed at them... there's even names for it like Kacknosis with Mind-Control.

Kacknosis being the over-detailing of the hypnosis process... to some readers it kills the story but for others the attention to the minutae of it make the story.

I've written literary-fetish stories... and the attention to what sets me off is the center point of the story... i.e in Mind-Control the ability to REALLY know what a woman is thinking/feeling.

Sincerely,
ElSol

 

[CharleyH]

With the priviso that enough readers share a fetish for women.

If you are writing to a true fetishist, then you are writing to a relatively minor subset of readers.

Stories written for a particular fetish, just aren't liely to hold the interest of someone who dosen't share it. Two pages explaining in intricate deatail how you tied your GF up might really do it for a bondage guy, but if at the end of the scene you untie her kiss and go to bed, most of us will probably feel we just wasted out time, while your ftishism might have cum halfway through your prose.

You have to play some trade off, if you want to open up a fetishistic story to a larger audicence.

Oh I understand the mind and fetish. I do believe one can focus (writing) on a fetish and still come out attracting people to it. If I wrote in detail of a boot, food or other, and likened it always to a pussy or cock? The fetishizing moment to an orgasm? I am sure that more would get off than not.

Still, I say - women are an object of fetish, as in, they still dont have any subjective - culture power. So, this in mind, how can't a woman's various parts, not hold the interest of men? Do women/men feel the same way about male bodies as women/men do of womens - I wonder. Is this not fetish? And in gay culture too, more male than lesbian.

 

[oggbashan]

Oh I understand the mind and fetish. I do believe one can focus (writing) on a fetish and still come out attracting people to it. If I wrote in detail of a boot, food or other, and likened it always to a pussy or cock? The fetishizing moment to an orgasm? I am sure that more would get off than not.

I think you are on the wrong track here. A fetishist would prefer a pussy to be compared to the fetish object, not the other way round. The fetish REPLACES the normal sexual attraction.

Colleen Thomas had it right. -
"Where a true devotee wouldn't necessarily need the sex to find it erotic."

We are dealing with people with fetish instincts in Literotica, not those who have an overwhelming fetish fixation. It also limits the audience. That, I believe, is the major reason why I am the author renowned for low ratings. My fetish stories appeal to that small audience and everyone else can't see the point.

Og

PS. 'Fisting' is NOT unbirth. Unbirth is a complete surrender to the female. 'Fisting' is aggressive towards the female at least in intent. The two have opposite sources.

 

[LadyJeanne]

Still, I say - women are an object of fetish, as in, they still dont have any subjective - culture power. So, this in mind, how can't a woman's various parts, not hold the interest of men? Do women/men feel the same way about male bodies as women/men do of womens - I wonder. Is this not fetish? And in gay culture too, more male than lesbian.

Breast fetish, cock fetish, parts is parts.

 

[Pure]

the questions

i'm not sure if your questions below have been answered.

i'd say the fetish should receive a high degree of attention, though I would NOT say 'the object rather than the sex.' The object and some type of sex are welded into some scene with the arousing characteristics. it is odd that women are generally said to lack 'fetish' interest, but maybe just the variables are changed. for instance, iirc, camille paglia claimed the emily dickinson represented a pretty deviant imagination.

the general problem is the old one of writing what you don't know, e.g., straight writing about gay. probably you are correct that 'fetish imagination' is lacking in lots of lit stories, though some obviously are by and for those who indulge. (e.g. the stories by, iirc, 'creamypussylover')

i think the answer is that, with a research and talking/listsening to people and imagination it can be brought off, but many lit writers are lazy. the contests involving 'write a story in each category' did not, in my opinion, further any deep knowledge of the unfamiliar categories.

Because of the link of fetish with bdms, you might get some anwers in that forum.



PS. yes, I've written several fetishistic stories and they apparently reached their fetishistic audience.





charley I am not writing a story, but as I do what I'm doing, it occurred to me - what if I was writing a narrative?

I have only read a couple of fetish stories on Lit, and in all honesty I felt they lacked the 'fetish' imagination. I always expected a fetish story would linger on the object rather than the sex. A person might have a shoe fetish for example, so wouldn't the focus of any sexual gratification come from contact with the object of the shoe rather than the wearer? I also see this on porn sites - advertising a fetish, but focusing on hardcore. I always considered these sites as 'wannabe' sites.

So, I thought I'd throw the question out to the AH:

Have you written a fetish story? How much attention do you give the fetish compared to any sex? Or, if you have not written one, how much attention do you think you should give to the fetish in an erotic narrative?

 

[Dar~]

I am not very fetishy. I think I would have a problem trying to write fetish stories.

 

[herecomestherain]

Og wrote

PS. 'Fisting' is NOT unbirth. Unbirth is a complete surrender to the female. 'Fisting' is aggressive towards the female at least in intent. The two have opposite sources.

Sorry Og, but I beg to differ - fisting is an act of loving worship.

 

[variable Xy]

The Fetish category should be changed to broaden it, to include kinks as that is what the category is made up of as of now (mostly). I'm working on a fetish/kink story that I feel pushes the limit for me. I have wanted to write it for the last few years, but was daunted in the past.

 

[CharleyH]

I think you are on the wrong track here. A fetishist would prefer a pussy to be compared to the fetish object, not the other way round. The fetish REPLACES the normal sexual attraction.

Colleen Thomas had it right. -
"Where a true devotee wouldn't necessarily need the sex to find it erotic."

We are dealing with people with fetish instincts in Literotica, not those who have an overwhelming fetish fixation. It also limits the audience. That, I believe, is the major reason why I am the author renowned for low ratings. My fetish stories appeal to that small audience and everyone else can't see the point.

Og

PS. 'Fisting' is NOT unbirth. Unbirth is a complete surrender to the female. 'Fisting' is aggressive towards the female at least in intent. The two have opposite sources.

Well, I personally believe it depends soley on the person with the fetish. I have been with those who could not 'get off' without it, and with those who viewed the fetish as an erotic enhancement. My experience is that more men have more fetishes than women, but that is simply 'my' experience with both sexes and not based on any empirical evaluation.

I also agree with HerComesTheRain. Fisting can be an exceptionally intimate, erotic and fulfilling experience. I am sure that like anything, it can be done poorly and with the wrong person, but since you were discussing unbirth, and because of how I view fisting, I wondered if this 'filledness, wholeness, oneness and immersion' as I view fisting, had anything to do with those into unbirth.

I always enjoy your opinion, Og, and that of others, and in this above response I know I am commenting on more than simply your post.

 

[CharleyH]

i'm not sure if your questions below have been answered.

i'd say the fetish should receive a high degree of attention, though I would NOT say 'the object rather than the sex.' The object and some type of sex are welded into some scene with the arousing characteristics. it is odd that women are generally said to lack 'fetish' interest, but maybe just the variables are changed. for instance, iirc, camille paglia claimed the emily dickinson represented a pretty deviant imagination.

the general problem is the old one of writing what you don't know, e.g., straight writing about gay. probably you are correct that 'fetish imagination' is lacking in lots of lit stories, though some obviously are by and for those who indulge. (e.g. the stories by, iirc, 'creamypussylover')

i think the answer is that, with a research and talking/listsening to people and imagination it can be brought off, but many lit writers are lazy. the contests involving 'write a story in each category' did not, in my opinion, further any deep knowledge of the unfamiliar categories.

Because of the link of fetish with bdms, you might get some anwers in that forum.



PS. yes, I've written several fetishistic stories and they apparently reached their fetishistic audience.

Thanks, Pure. I am simply attempting to stimulate a discussion regarding fetish and writing. I have no real question, just questions as they come across my mind. Since fetish invariably consists of an object or part as object as Lady Jeane points out, rather than a person,(discounting celebrities ) it seemed logical to ask about the emphasis one would, in writing, put on the fetish as opposed to the act of sex, per se.

 

[CharleyH]

The Fetish category should be changed to broaden it, to include kinks as that is what the category is made up of as of now (mostly). I'm working on a fetish/kink story that I feel pushes the limit for me. I have wanted to write it for the last few years, but was daunted in the past.

How did you find it daunting in the past? What has changed for the current write?