The everything about rape topic.

[nh23]

ummmm.... i dont know what you are talking about but if its against me then you didnt read my theory right.

its rape and its wrong. period. no ifs ands or buts. however, no one can tell me that male or female that gets completely plastered, at some party that they dont know, and has NO control over their body bears no blame.

they shouldnt have drunk that last shot or drink.

in a perfect world we should be able to do what we want. however thats not where we live. we live in reality. where ppl hurt others. so we need to take whatever precautions we can.

Agreed. However the rapist has to take full responsibility. Considering he was sober. It they were both drunk different story. We have a responsibility to protect ourselves, but if something bad happens, I don't think it's ok at all to lay an once of blame on the victim.

 

[Netzach]

I don't think it's a question of blame, but is *is* worth the consideration that the behavior is high risk behavior, and asking why that person is putting themselves in that position is a valid question.

 

[MisterSir]

we have a quote on my ship.. never used seriously just in jest...

"it aint rape if its willin' "

random humor.. but its funny.

Well, yeah, that's rather the point.

 

[nh23]

I don't think it's a question of blame, but is *is* worth the consideration that the behavior is high risk behavior, and asking why that person is putting themselves in that position is a valid question.

*nods*

ETA Maybe I was just reading it wrong with all the normal and natural bullshit in the beginning.

 

[kiss_of_sin]

I disagree totally with you on this.

(this is an interesting subject...I'll be back later to discuss it further)

i like debating topics. iron sharpens iron.

but just for further convo...

its not all the rapee's fault. thats not what im saying. im saying that rapee shouldnt have put themselves in that situation of inebriation around ppl they dont trust or dont know. not their fault they got raped, but they made that mistake that led to it. hence part blame... like 1% of it.

all actions create an equal and opposite reaction. simple thing called responsibility. ppl need to learn to carry it.

a person should be able to do what they want. get as drunk as they want, get as high , or whatever. however, they should know that this action MIGHT lead to this. that MIGHT lead to that. be aware of all possibilities first. then proceed. being fully aware of the reactions/consequences.

 

[rumara]

i can't do the shades of grey thing with this issue. if he or she says no, or if a person is too inebriated to say either yes or no, and a sexual act takes place anyway, the aggressor is a rapist. the blame falls squarely on their shoulders and no one else's.

sure, one should not place oneself in that position, but that's not a basic question of right or wrong. it's just stupidity. in my opinion, fucking somebody who doesn't want it or somebody who doesn't even understand the question is just wrong, plain and simple.

 

[Netzach]

*nods*

ETA Maybe I was just reading it wrong with all the normal and natural bullshit in the beginning.

No I'm with you, the whole "so you should deal with the consequences" tone is wtf for me.

It's not earning it to get 'faced and wake up with a stranger's dick in you you didn't ask for, but it does beg the question "how do I avoid this in my future?"

 

[PeterHenson]

Well, yeah, that's rather the point.

Speaking of the point, didn't the judge make it about to tell you to stay away from various sites on the Internet that deal with sex?

One would think after you served a little time for statutory rape you would have learned your lesson. You on the other hand must have enjoyed being that trade piece of ass while you were incarcerated.

 

[MisterSir]

Speaking of the point, didn't the judge make it about to tell you to stay away from various sites on the Internet that deal with sex?

One would think after you served a little time for statutory rape you would have learned your lesson. You on the other hand must have enjoyed being that trade piece of ass while you were incarcerated.

Dude, seriously, the only advice you ever give to women is "strip off and post pictures", you're pretty much useless here.

 

[nh23]

No I'm with you, the whole "so you should deal with the consequences" tone is wtf for me.

It's not earning it to get 'faced and wake up with a stranger's dick in you you didn't ask for, but it does beg the question "how do I avoid this in my future?"

Totally agree.

 

[rosco rathbone]

I don't think it's a question of blame, but is *is* worth the consideration that the behavior is high risk behavior, and asking why that person is putting themselves in that position is a valid question.

Who are you , Camille Paglia

 

[kiss_of_sin]

I don't think it's a question of blame, but is *is* worth the consideration that the behavior is high risk behavior, and asking why that person is putting themselves in that position is a valid question.

agreed. good way to put it thank you.

but i take it a step further, and lay an ounce of blame.

now however, if its a child who is molested. that child is completely without blame.

a rapist is a rapist. who needs punishment and to be dealt with. please dont think im condoning the rapist. no way in hell am i going to do that. what im saying is. to be aware of yourself and your limits. it lowers the risk significantly.

 

[Netzach]

Who are you , Camille Paglia

Much more than Katie Roiphe, damn straight.

I think you can dissect HOW things happen without it being victim-blame. And should.

 

[kiss_of_sin]

hmmmm...maybe blame is too strong..

but neither can one say if the person is THAT inebriated or wasted or inable to control theirself than that person is completely innocent....

that person should be held accountable to their actions. its not their fault some douchebag decided to rape them. no. but that person should be fully aware of their actions and risks.

 

[PeterHenson]

Dude, seriously, the only advice you ever give to women is "strip off and post pictures", you're pretty much useless here.

First of all you don't know me and need to back up your statements. Also don't be mad because you PMed me pics of your cock asking if you could post them on my thread and I told you that the thread was for women only.

Anyway just stay away from the kids.

 

[nh23]

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[Netzach]

hmmmm...maybe blame is too wrong..

but neither can one say if the person is THAT inebriated or wasted or inable to control theirself than that person is completely innocent....

Yes they are. They are innocent, but making some really bad decisions. The fact that you don't wear a helmet when you get on your motorcycle doesn't make the accident automatically your fault, it's just a really bad idea.

 

[Netzach]

Conversely, it should be asked, excuse me, date rapist, what the fuck is wrong with you that you need to bone unconscious girls? Why are you putting yourself in the situation where you can get accused easily and gray areas crop up and you're really drunk and your impulse control is shit before you can get laid?

 

[PeterHenson]

hmmmm...maybe blame is too wrong..

but neither can one say if the person is THAT inebriated or wasted or inable to control theirself than that person is completely innocent....

That is true, that person did put themselves into a situation that lead to their assault. If they would have exercised better decision making then they could have still went out, had some drinks,and went home to sleep it off. Instead they ended up in a bad situation.

 

[rosco rathbone]

Much more than Katie Roiphe, damn straight.

I think you can dissect HOW things happen without it being victim-blame. And should.

I have no problem at all blaming the victim in certain situations.

 

[Netzach]

I have no problem at all blaming the victim in certain situations.

There are certain actions so monumentally ridiculous that I wonder. However, it's not worth sticking your dick in the girl who's changed her mind if you watch any high profile court cases, is it?

So why are we so obsessed with female impulse control?

 

[nh23]

I have no problem at all blaming the victim in certain situations.

Situation. Betticus obviously has a fascination with rape. I think he's asking for it. So how about you and some of your buddies find him, ass rape him, then see if the theory's hold.

(total sarcasm)

 

[rosco rathbone]

Situation. Betticus obviously has a fascination with rape. I think he's asking for it. So how about you and some of your buddies find him, ass rape him, then see if the theory's hold.

(total sarcasm)

Only if he agrees to waltz thru the wrong side of town after midnight in a dress made of thousand-dollar bills.

 

[nh23]

Only if he agrees to waltz thru the wrong side of town after midnight in a dress made of thousand-dollar bills.

*laughs*

I won't point out that he's walking through that neighborhood at a late hour because he's a single parent with no vehicle on his way home from work. And the dress, I can't even justify that one.

I have too many feelings on these topics and should avoid these threads.

 

[PeterHenson]

Only if he agrees to waltz thru the wrong side of town after midnight in a dress made of thousand-dollar bills.

If your out past midnight your either looking for, or asking for trouble.