QuietlyMakingNoise
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Looking to explore more deeply what the true power center of the Dom is, I have opinions based on my own life, but would like to explore and debate it further here.
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QuietlyMakingNoise said:There can never be a moment when he looses control of himself or it will shatter his control over the situation and over his submissive. This is true in life; in business and so too for the BDSM lifestyle he chooses to participate in.
rosco rathbone said:A pleasant fairy tale....
Netzach said:I agree.
What if he acts unreasonably then realizes there's a better way to act and just moves towards it?
INSIDEYOURMIND said:It's kind of like they are a legend in their own minds.
Netzach said:I think the essence of Mastery is to live in a way that points people toward their truth, without trying too hard to control them or interfere.
Caitlynne said:I'm just gonna sit here and lust after Netzach if you all don't mind.![]()
QuietlyMakingNoise said:The more I think about this, the more I realize that there is such a similarity between a good Dominant and a good Leader; with a capital “L”. A submissive seeks the leadership of her Dominant, she knows that she is a good follower, and must be given a good lead to follow.
The power, then of a Dominant is that of control, over self, over situation, and then – and only then – can he truly have control over his submissive. The truth is that he must dive deep inside of himself and gain full control of that within him that which will tear his control apart. He must be in full common terms with all the sides of his own personality and it’s quirks. There can never be a moment when he looses control of himself or it will shatter his control over the situation and over his submissive. This is true in life; in business and so too for the BDSM lifestyle he chooses to participate in.
Most people lack the true understanding of the id and the ego to be in control of both impostors, just as the poem by Rudyard Kipling says, “…If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster: And treat those two impostors just the same; …”. Think of what that means. Triumph is truly an impostor; it makes you feel like you are invincible and can make no mistakes. That’s a very bad step to make if you truly want to be a good dominant. Triumph, like luck, is a matter of preparation – in all its forms – and opportunity. If you don’t have that preparation (the mastery of your self) you won’t have the prerequisite to triumph over the situation at hand.
The same is true for “Disaster”; it too is an impostor. It tends to sap your energy and your self confidence: Unless you understand it. Failure is part of success. It is the part that often comes just before success. Think of it as the price of success. You must know how to fail, examine it thoroughly from every angle and use it to prepare you for the next time you face a situation, and with that new knowledge – and the associated confidence – you are now ready to succeed.
Don’t fear either of these impostors as you journey down the true path of the Dominant, you must know that there will be times that your submissive is going to test your control. You must know that for her to grow, she must test you and you must take joy in her testing you while you maintain that control. She will admire you, because she’s put her trust and love in your hands, and she knows that you can make her feel good – better than anyone else can – but you must look deep within her and see where she needs to grow. Then, through your knowledge, experience and preparation, you must usher her in that direction so that she becomes a full person – who happens to trust and enjoy being Your submissive.
I look forward to the comments of both experienced and newby sub’s and Dom’s alike…
RJMasters said:I use to have such lofty ideals but I traded them at the pawn shop for a pack of gum. Now at least when I chew on something, I can taste the flavor of it across my tounge.
As generalizations, I would agree with some of the things you said, however the finality of it is absurd due to the fact a Dominant is still human. I think its safe to say that anyone who recognises where they are at and has achieved a degree of "self-control" is doing well. I believe the first step in being a Dominant person, is being honest about who they are in both strengths and weaknesses.
Most would agree that a person should be in control of themselves before attempting to control another. Yet here we see the statement break down in that no one is ever in complete control and so we then come to a place where relative argument insues. What degree of control is needed, and by who's judement should we use to decide? Some would use ssc or risk as it applys to the lifestyle...what ever. It boils down to maturity and you either have it or you don't.
I have run this circle too many times and walked this path enough to know it leads back to the beginning of itself and in the end has little value except for vain intelectualness.
Give me a tingling hand and don't spare the gravy. There is truth and then there is reality and the latter is the one I have to look at in the mirror every morning.
RJMasters said:I use to have such lofty ideals but I traded them at the pawn shop for a pack of gum. Now at least when I chew on something, I can taste the flavor of it across my tounge.
As generalizations, I would agree with some of the things you said, however the finality of it is absurd due to the fact a Dominant is still human. I think its safe to say that anyone who recognises where they are at and has achieved a degree of "self-control" is doing well. I believe the first step in being a Dominant person, is being honest about who they are in both strengths and weaknesses.
Most would agree that a person should be in control of themselves before attempting to control another. Yet here we see the statement break down in that no one is ever in complete control and so we then come to a place where relative argument insues. What degree of control is needed, and by who's judement should we use to decide? Some would use ssc or risk as it applys to the lifestyle...what ever. It boils down to maturity and you either have it or you don't.
I have run this circle too many times and walked this path enough to know it leads back to the beginning of itself and in the end has little value except for vain intelectualness.
Give me a tingling hand and don't spare the gravy. There is truth and then there is reality and the latter is the one I have to look at in the mirror every morning.
QuietlyMakingNoise said:Good point, however, let me add something for the sake of the conversation and debate. If, as you say "...then realizes there's a better way..." has he not maintained control of himself, recognized that he was heading towards failure and then made the necessary correction? Whereas, if he does not have control of himself (or the situation) he may become stubborn and thus loose control of everything...
Just a thought...
QuietlyMakingNoise said:The more I think about this, the more I realize that there is such a similarity between a good Dominant and a good Leader; with a capital “L”. A submissive seeks the leadership of her Dominant, she knows that she is a good follower, and must be given a good lead to follow.
The power, then of a Dominant is that of control, over self, over situation, and then – and only then – can he truly have control over his submissive. The truth is that he must dive deep inside of himself and gain full control of that within him that which will tear his control apart. He must be in full common terms with all the sides of his own personality and it’s quirks. There can never be a moment when he looses control of himself or it will shatter his control over the situation and over his submissive. This is true in life; in business and so too for the BDSM lifestyle he chooses to participate in.
Most people lack the true understanding of the id and the ego to be in control of both impostors, just as the poem by Rudyard Kipling says, “…If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster: And treat those two impostors just the same; …”. Think of what that means. Triumph is truly an impostor; it makes you feel like you are invincible and can make no mistakes. That’s a very bad step to make if you truly want to be a good dominant. Triumph, like luck, is a matter of preparation – in all its forms – and opportunity. If you don’t have that preparation (the mastery of your self) you won’t have the prerequisite to triumph over the situation at hand.
The same is true for “Disaster”; it too is an impostor. It tends to sap your energy and your self confidence: Unless you understand it. Failure is part of success. It is the part that often comes just before success. Think of it as the price of success. You must know how to fail, examine it thoroughly from every angle and use it to prepare you for the next time you face a situation, and with that new knowledge – and the associated confidence – you are now ready to succeed.
Don’t fear either of these impostors as you journey down the true path of the Dominant, you must know that there will be times that your submissive is going to test your control. You must know that for her to grow, she must test you and you must take joy in her testing you while you maintain that control. She will admire you, because she’s put her trust and love in your hands, and she knows that you can make her feel good – better than anyone else can – but you must look deep within her and see where she needs to grow. Then, through your knowledge, experience and preparation, you must usher her in that direction so that she becomes a full person – who happens to trust and enjoy being Your submissive.
I look forward to the comments of both experienced and newby sub’s and Dom’s alike…
Netzach said:I'd say he has the humility to realize that only a very very small and highly trained subset of the world retains Jedi Master cool through all onslaughts. It's chicken-egg. We're talking about someone with a general level of wanting to improve and be better -- someone who cares enough to evaluate, but someone who is able to give up enough of the notion of "control" and "better" to actually improve.
i agree with the majority of what you've said above if you drop frustrating and replace it with nerve-wracking, to the point of having a nervous breakdown. While tasty on the rare occasion (and then only if totally in control while doing so) for the sheer sadistic mindfuck aspect, too often (or out of control) will leave you with a broken toy, broken trust, and broken jaw if your playmate snaps. While a kink aware physician may understand the circumstances, you don't gain any points on your quest for Mastery.QuietlyMakingNoise said:If I cannot maintain control of myself and my emotions, then I'll make my submissive miserable, because she is driven to please her Dom. If he's unpredictable, she never knows whether she's doing the right thing, or the wrong thing. It then becomes frustrating for the sub because she's often wrong and does not know why. In the end, if he loses the battle for internal control, they are both frustrated.
Does any of this make sense to you?
QuietlyMakingNoise said:Netzach, you make a good point. Luke Skywalker I am not! Yoda (only in looks). I appreciate the debate in the board. The more I read and try to answer the clearer my meaning becomes - at least in my mind.
Somehow I think that my choice to use the word "true" has caused a slight distortion in my meaning. Let me see if this makes more sense - I'd appreciate your comments.
The journey to becoming a Dominant, in my opinion begins with a journey into myself and to understand what it will take to be as consistant as I can be for my Sub's sake. If I cannot maintain control of myself and my emotions, my anger or myself, then I'll make my submissive misserable, because she is driven to please her Dom and if he's unpredictable she never knows whether she's doing the right thing, or the wrong thing. It then becomes frustrating for the sub because she's often wrong and does not know why, and for the Dom because in his heart it's her pleasure he seeks to bring out in her. In the end, if he looses the battle for internal control, they are both frustrated.
Does any of this make sense to you?
QuietlyMakingNoise said:Netzach, you make a good point. Luke Skywalker I am not! Yoda (only in looks). I appreciate the debate in the board. The more I read and try to answer the clearer my meaning becomes - at least in my mind.
Somehow I think that my choice to use the word "true" has caused a slight distortion in my meaning. Let me see if this makes more sense - I'd appreciate your comments.
The journey to becoming a Dominant, in my opinion begins with a journey into myself and to understand what it will take to be as consistant as I can be for my Sub's sake. If I cannot maintain control of myself and my emotions, my anger or myself, then I'll make my submissive misserable, because she is driven to please her Dom and if he's unpredictable she never knows whether she's doing the right thing, or the wrong thing. It then becomes frustrating for the sub because she's often wrong and does not know why, and for the Dom because in his heart it's her pleasure he seeks to bring out in her. In the end, if he looses the battle for internal control, they are both frustrated.
Does any of this make sense to you?
Netzach said:<snip>
I've actually found that the good qualities in a Dominant are shockingly akin to the good qualities in a submissive. Either are as likely to be good or bad Leaders cap. L.
INSIDEYOURMIND said:
I guess what I am trying to say is to be a "true" anything, you need to be true to yourself first.
…and was reminded of a similar (simplified) situation:QuietlyMakingNoise said:The more I think about this, the more I realize that there is such a similarity between a good Dominant and a good Leader; with a capital “L”. A submissive seeks the leadership of her Dominant, she knows that she is a good follower, and must be given a good lead to follow.
…it makes sense to me (in my limited experiences). Neither is going to be happy if they cannot honestly express their individual expectations in regards to themselves, their partner, or their relationship.QuietlyMakingNoise said:....All in all, the two partners in the exchange of power have the assertiveness that they need to achieve their desires, they both simply go about it differently; one asks, the other tells.