The crazed leftists want gun control and I bet this will cause the crazed leftists to go batshit crazy

[Rebel5soul]

The 2nd Amendment is NOT intended to keep people safe. It's intended to make people feel decidely UNSAFE, particulary if they annoy enough people.

Unlike you Brits, we can resolve issues with our government. Largely by shooting them if we really really want to. YOU slaves can keep your opinions on guns to yourselves - your govenment has already taken all yours away and now you can be locked up for mean tweets and jokes that are not approved. So sad, too bad.

The end result is the UK will have a civil war that will make Yugoslavia look like a teddy bears picnic. Enjoy it.

We on the other hand will settle our differences the way we usually do, by yelling and screaming and using deleted epithets on each other, rigging and rerigging elections, gerrymandering until we get the desired outcomes and generally fucking each other off by playing by the more or less rules because we have more guns here than the rst of the world combined and we know what will happen if we REALLY piss each other off. LOL. I'd rather have a few school shootings than experience what you Brits are going to experience.

Good luck and don't be too meek. Because the meek don't inherit the earth.

They get raped, massacred and turned into Muslims.

But you guys voted for that and the only way you'll be able to undo it now is with....guns. Lots and lots of guns.

First they took their guns, now they're taking their right to free speech. Those peasants better never claim to be a "Free People" while they allow the governments boot to remain on their neck.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Guns have always been prohibited to "some" Americans.

Yes. Those the government doesn't approve of. Minorities mostly. Its funny how quickly you go from "Shall not be infringed" to "Its always been situational!"

Maybe we need to have a comprehensive rewrite instead of the rules applying when you want and not when you don't? Cus it sure sounds like 'rules for thee, not for me' when the only constant is the rules will apply when it benefits you and won't when it doesn't.

 

[Meekly_Anna]

The 2nd Amendment is NOT intended to keep people safe. It's intended to make people feel decidely UNSAFE, particulary if they annoy enough people.

Unlike you Brits, we can resolve issues with our government. Largely by shooting them if we really really want to. YOU slaves can keep your opinions on guns to yourselves - your govenment has already taken all yours away and now you can be locked up for mean tweets and jokes that are not approved. So sad, too bad.

The end result is the UK will have a civil war that will make Yugoslavia look like a teddy bears picnic. Enjoy it.

We on the other hand will settle our differences the way we usually do, by yelling and screaming and using deleted epithets on each other, rigging and rerigging elections, gerrymandering until we get the desired outcomes and generally fucking each other off by playing by the more or less rules because we have more guns here than the rst of the world combined and we know what will happen if we REALLY piss each other off. LOL. I'd rather have a few school shootings than experience what you Brits are going to experience.

Good luck and don't be too meek. Because the meek don't inherit the earth.

They get raped, massacred and turned into Muslims.

But you guys voted for that and the only way you'll be able to undo it now is with....guns. Lots and lots of guns.

Ah, you see, it's a bit of a déjà vu situation, non? The more guns you have everywhere, the more chance there is for bêtises. It's not rocket science, my friend.
Accidents are not an "if," they are a "when." A child finds a loaded gun, a stressed person makes a bad call, and poof—a tragedy. It is a fiasco waiting to happen.
Crimes get a lot more deadly. A simple robbery? Now it's a firefight. A heated argument? Now it can end with a bang. It's a guerre on the streets for no good reason.
Domestic issues become mortal. A little fight between husband and wife can become a murder. It's a catastrophe that could have been avoided.
It's all about access, you see? The more of these death-tools you have, the more people who have no malice in their hearts end up becoming victims. It's a real merde.

Now, the the big one, eh? The idea that a few people with a rifle can stop a government? Sacré bleu! That's a little bit of a fantasy.
The government has the bigger guns. You have an AK-47? They have tanks, fighter jets, and an army. It's not a fair fight, my friend. It's like bringing a spoon to a knife fight. It's a débâcle from the start.
It's about organization, not firepower. A true revolution is not about having a gun. It's about people coming together, organizing, and fighting with ideas and unity. A few people with rifles acting alone are not a revolution, they are a tête-à-tête with a tank.
Dictators love this stuff. You think a dictator will see a few armed citizens and say, "Oh no, I will change my mind"? Non! He will say, "Look at these terrorists! I have to use my army to protect the country!" It's a fait accompli—the perfect excuse to be more brutal.
So you see, the idea is sympathique, but in reality, it's not a good plan. The power is in the people, not in the guns. I hope this was more what you wanted, my friend. Au revoir!

 

[ChloeTzang]

Ah, you see, it's a bit of a déjà vu situation, non? The more guns you have everywhere, the more chance there is for bêtises. It's not rocket science, my friend.
Accidents are not an "if," they are a "when." A child finds a loaded gun, a stressed person makes a bad call, and poof—a tragedy. It is a fiasco waiting to happen.
Crimes get a lot more deadly. A simple robbery? Now it's a firefight. A heated argument? Now it can end with a bang. It's a guerre on the streets for no good reason.
Domestic issues become mortal. A little fight between husband and wife can become a murder. It's a catastrophe that could have been avoided.
It's all about access, you see? The more of these death-tools you have, the more people who have no malice in their hearts end up becoming victims. It's a real merde.

"Those who are ready to sacrifice freedom for security will ultimately lose both." Something the UK now seems intent on proving

You have your false security and don't cry when they come for you.

Now, the the big one, eh? The idea that a few people with a rifle can stop a government? Sacré bleu! That's a little bit of a fantasy.

Nope. Vietnam. Taliban. Unless you exterminate everyone, of course, As a technique, that DOES work.

The government has the bigger guns. You have an AK-47? They have tanks, fighter jets, and an army. It's not a fair fight, my friend. It's like bringing a spoon to a knife fight. It's a débâcle from the start.

You really think its a person against a tank or a jet. Nope. It's terror. Kill the families of the pilots. Threaten the wives and children of the soldiers. Take out the politicians. Take out the reporters. The judges. The lawyers. Support the regime and die....the old anti-colonial wars are a good example.

It's about organization, not firepower. A true revolution is not about having a gun. It's about people coming together, organizing, and fighting with ideas and unity. A few people with rifles acting alone are not a revolution, they are a tête-à-tête with a tank.

Doesn't work like that. Think more the breakup of Yugoslavia. Military bases are generally guarded by a few security personnel. They're not set up to protect against being over run - look at the UK where protestors got in to airbases. If they'd wanted to destroy aircraft.....you never go head on against a tank with a rifle.

Ad you forget drones. Drones are everyman's artillery now. How long until the first politician is assassinated by a drone. You can net there are terrorist organizations working on that. It's NOT rocket science.

And who says guns? Gas into aircon systems. Poison ino drinking water. Set fire to food storage warehouses. Destroy logistical systems - ni fuel tanks, no trucks moving. The averge city has only a few days of food. Take out food and water and you have chaos, and in chaos you can assassinate away.....blow substations....take out highway bridges....etc etc etc. Heck, just bring down high volatage powerlines.....take out server farms - these facilities all have a few security guards. They are not setup to defend agaunst real terrorist attacks.

Dictators love this stuff. You think a dictator will see a few armed citizens and say, "Oh no, I will change my mind"? Non! He will say, "Look at these terrorists! I have to use my army to protect the country!" It's a fait accompli—the perfect excuse to be more brutal.
So you see, the idea is sympathique, but in reality, it's not a good plan. The power is in the people, not in the guns. I hope this was more what you wanted, my friend. Au revoir!

It's not dictators tho. It's the UK and US govts and there are steps they will not take. They might like to, but they can't and won't.

In the US, we have ebough guns that even the goct will back down. In the UK, you are defenceless when they come for you.

 

[Sean Renaud]

"Those who are ready to sacrifice freedom for security will ultimately lose both." Something the UK now seems intent on proving

‘They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.’ ~ Benjamin Franklin.

The exact words matter here. Those who give up a permanent freedom for a temporary safety deserve neither. Forget that I fundamentally disagree with the final part. You deserve freedom and safety because you're alive. Though given other documents he was involved with clearly he understood that. More or less anyway.

Freedom and safety is a balancing act. The situation here would be in an absolute worst case scenario a permanent sacrifice of freedom for an equally permanent safety. Permanent doesn't exist in the real world but whatever. This concept of fighting the government is absurd. If they are coming for you they are going to get you and that was LESS true then than it is today.

Look around your house. How many gallons of water do you have? How much of your food doesn't require refrigeration? How much charcoal and wood do you have to prepare what you have that cannot be eaten raw? I know somehow all the conservatives on this board live on forty acres with their own well, live stock and plenty of wild game. The rest of us at best live in the suburbs and maybe could survive off squirrel and pigeon for a while not that it would solve the water problem long term.

My point? The government really doesn't even need to go door to door if they don't want to . Just cut the utilities and wait a few weeks. A few weeks where you'll have to convince the neighbor whose father is on oxygen that the government is THAT out of control. Then rinse wash and repeat for the mother of an infant with an ear infection, the handicapped, the rest of the hungry. GOOD LUCK!

I could go through your conflicts but those weren't 'civil wars' which is what we're talking about. Those were all lost because the attacking nation grew weary of burning resources with no real benefit. Not the scenario we're talking about.

Why not just state the fucking truth. People die. Some of them children and its the price we pay for some cowboy fantasy. WE can look at plenty of other nations that either have given up most weapons in recent eras and haven't become police states or older nations that have had various weapons bans for SO long that connecting one to the other isn't even a correlation. There it is though.

 

[Bray123]

The current criteria for the insane to be allowed to carry guns is that they not be confined against their will in a hospital.

Ammosexuals support this criteria.

 

[Meekly_Anna]

"Those who are ready to sacrifice freedom for security will ultimately lose both." Something the UK now seems intent on proving

You have your false security and don't cry when they come for you.



Nope. Vietnam. Taliban. Unless you exterminate everyone, of course, As a technique, that DOES work.



You really think its a person against a tank or a jet. Nope. It's terror. Kill the families of the pilots. Threaten the wives and children of the soldiers. Take out the politicians. Take out the reporters. The judges. The lawyers. Support the regime and die....the old anti-colonial wars are a good example.


Doesn't work like that. Think more the breakup of Yugoslavia. Military bases are generally guarded by a few security personnel. They're not set up to protect against being over run - look at the UK where protestors got in to airbases. If they'd wanted to destroy aircraft.....you never go head on against a tank with a rifle.

Ad you forget drones. Drones are everyman's artillery now. How long until the first politician is assassinated by a drone. You can net there are terrorist organizations working on that. It's NOT rocket science.

And who says guns? Gas into aircon systems. Poison ino drinking water. Set fire to food storage warehouses. Destroy logistical systems - ni fuel tanks, no trucks moving. The averge city has only a few days of food. Take out food and water and you have chaos, and in chaos you can assassinate away.....blow substations....take out highway bridges....etc etc etc. Heck, just bring down high volatage powerlines.....take out server farms - these facilities all have a few security guards. They are not setup to defend agaunst real terrorist attacks.



It's not dictators tho. It's the UK and US govts and there are steps they will not take. They might like to, but they can't and won't.

In the US, we have ebough guns that even the goct will back down. In the UK, you are defenceless when they come for you.

What you describe is terrorism. Terrorism against people, not the government.
What you people forget is that you are living in a democracy. You elected your government.
And what you didn't see in my post? The dictator sends his troops against civilians. The dictator forbids the usage of words and phrases. The dictator forms his own crooked version of history. The dictator makes the state work for his benefit alone.
Did you watch the news lately?
Freedom of speech?
Freedom of science?
Land of the free?
While that administration acts that way?
Don't make me laugh.

 

[ChloeTzang]

What you describe is terrorism. Terrorism against people, not the government.
What you people forget is that you are living in a democracy. You elected your government.

So? The entire point of the second amendment is that if enough of us are bugged by our govt, we can start shooting them.

From one point of view, the American War of Independance was terrorism. The winner, however, writes history, and in this case the leaders of that revolution wrote into the constitution the means by which what they achieved could be repeated if necessary. Smart thinking. They also did their best to limit oppression by the majority that a democracy entails. That's why our govt is often brought to a standstill. It's designed that way.

You Brits on the the other hand are going to have a far harder time liberating yourself with no guns to start with.

We have very different philosophies of govt,.

And what you didn't see in my post? The dictator sends his troops against civilians. The dictator forbids the usage of words and phrases. The dictator forms his own crooked version of history. The dictator makes the state work for his benefit alone.
Did you watch the news lately?
Freedom of speech?
Freedom of science?
Land of the free?
While that administration acts that way?
Don't make me laugh.

Desribing the UK, Anna. You have no freedom of speech. You have no freedom of science. YOu are being invaded and colonized and you'll end up with a very bloody civil war as the colonists are sent packing.

 

[Meekly_Anna]

So? The entire point of the second amendment is that if enough of us are bugged by our govt, we can start shooting them.

From one point of view, the American War of Independance was terrorism. The winner, however, writes history, and in this case the leaders of that revolution wrote into the constitution the means by which what they achieved could be repeated if necessary. Smart thinking. They also did their best to limit oppression by the majority that a democracy entails. That's why our govt is often brought to a standstill. It's designed that way.

You Brits on the the other hand are going to have a far harder time liberating yourself with no guns to start with.

We have very different philosophies of govt,.



Desribing the UK, Anna. You have no freedom of speech. You have no freedom of science. YOu are being invaded and colonized and you'll end up with a very bloody civil war as the colonists are sent packing.

So it's okay for you to murder civilians, your fellow countrymen, as long as you ‘win’?
If that's the freedom you're after, thank you, you can keep it. I want nothing to do with someone who maliciously murders helpless and vulnerable people. I don't want to live in a state that is built on these ‘ideals’.
If you were to try that in my home, I would drag you by your ear in front of the judge to be judged on the basis of the law.

And just for the sake of completeness: Yes, we have laws that prohibit you from spreading lies about third parties or insulting them. And that is as it should be

 

[notexactlymelville]

This thread makes me feel like I'm losing my mind. We all larping hard these days or what.

 

[HisArpy]

So it's okay for you to murder civilians, your fellow countrymen, as long as you ‘win’?
If that's the freedom you're after, thank you, you can keep it. I want nothing to do with someone who maliciously murders helpless and vulnerable people. I don't want to live in a state that is built on these ‘ideals’.
If you were to try that in my home, I would drag you by your ear in front of the judge to be judged on the basis of the law.

And just for the sake of completeness: Yes, we have laws that prohibit you from spreading lies about third parties or insulting them. And that is as it should be

Please note that we here in the US aren't defenseless or "helpless and vulnerable."

Because we have guns.

You Brits, OTOH, don't have guns and when the bad guy shows up he gets what he wants. When the police finally show up, they get what they want too - by arresting the victims. And there isn't squat you can do about it.

Because you DON'T have guns.

Good luck with being helpless and vulnerable.

 

[1984X2024]

Disarm the crazed Tranz

https://pjmedia.com/catherinesalgad...chool-shooters-were-trans-since-2020-n4943348

 

[Meekly_Anna]

Please note that we here in the US aren't defenseless or "helpless and vulnerable."

Because we have guns.

You Brits, OTOH, don't have guns and when the bad guy shows up he gets what he wants. When the police finally show up, they get what they want too - by arresting the victims. And there isn't squat you can do about it.

Because you DON'T have guns.

Good luck with being helpless and vulnerable.

She proposed poisoning people. I'm pretty sure funds are extremely useful for the victims.

 

[HisArpy]

She proposed poisoning people. I'm pretty sure funds are extremely useful for the victims.

She didn't "propose" anything of the sort.

 

[1984X2024]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1963660755749769664

 

[pinkparkhorse]

I’m so sick of this transphobic bullshit and scapegoating. I think I’m done being a Republican.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Links are not required reading. They are citations in advance. Most of the things I'm writing are mostly general knowledge that most/all of you are already aware of. For all my studies most of you are equally or more educated in these particular fields than I am. We never debate biology, geology or paleontology.

So? The entire point of the second amendment is that if enough of us are bugged by our govt, we can start shooting them.

This is a half truth we've been sold. I'm obligated to state this any and every time I make a point because if I don't some jack ass will say "Oh you said X but that didn't apply to Bobby 'Bib Balls' Baggins. I loathe speaking of the Founding Fathers because over the years we have been trained to speak of them like the Borg. That at the end of the day they all looked at the Constitution and other things and said "This is perfection and we threw in amendments just encase" not "This was negotiation in part done under duress and is the best we can get."

The story we are told is that the 2nd amendment was so you could overthrow the government if things came to that. No government in the history of ever sets itself up to fail. We need look no farther than the Whiskey Rebellion which was over the exact same circumstances that had inspired the revolution and Washington himself wasn't having it. Turns out wars are expensive and someone has to pay. Sounds familiar no?

The Founding Fathers were not fond of the idea of a standning army. A standing army is by definition oppressive was a popular opinion. We can agree or disagree as individuals. This is going to be long enough without me opining there. I will simply state that depending on how you want to do your math we have the largest and most dangerous standing military in the history of the world bar none so we clearly disagree with the Founders There.

The words 'a well regulated militia' are not just tacked on. Look at any other part of the Constitution. These were not men who were flowery with their language. Also said militias were activated at the time because that was the purpose To avoid a standing army but still have armed and "trained" people.

There were many slave states with significant slave populations. We try to pretend that the Civil War popped up out of nowhere. That's because if we point out that yes people, lots of people, knew at the time slavery was wrong. I'm not going crunch numbers but this wasn't some fringe belief at the time. The South had legit fears that laws passed against firearms would be a de facto end of slavery. Put a minority of masters against angry mobs and yeah we know how that plays out.

Yes potentially overthrowing the government was definitely what they sold the masses on but that was far from the only motivation.

From one point of view, the American War of Independance was terrorism. The winner, however, writes history, and in this case the leaders of that revolution wrote into the constitution the means by which what they achieved could be repeated if necessary. Smart thinking. They also did their best to limit oppression by the majority that a democracy entails. That's why our govt is often brought to a standstill. It's designed that way.

From a rational point of view it was terrorism. If we praise the Tea Party and get huffy about arson at TESLA dealerships we're not being honest about the script and it really is that simple. Writing the history books is nice. We are however a democracy and people need to stop spreading the lie that we are not. A Republic is a type of Democracy. We are not a direct democracy sure and I don't think even at the time that would have worked for a lot of reasons. We still vote, our representatives in theory match our goals and ideals.

We really should have a longer talk about the EC, Congress and how they are NOT working as designed and that's no small part of the problem. I'm sticking for the moment to the FF part. At that level lets be honest there is a fundamental difference between 26 Senators and however many Congressmen there were at the time trying to reach a consensus and 100 Senators and 435 Congressmen trying to do the same that is fundamentally different. Anybody who has ever tried to get people to agree on what to eat for dinner knows that getting 10 motherfuckers to agree on something only works because there are (insert number here) people who either genuinely don't give a shit or are willing to take a knee because the important thing here is that we get to the next order of business. The larger the numbers get the more this breaks apart and unlike agreeing where to eat there is no point where one third of us get Burger King, one third Taco Bell and the rest KFC. A bill or president affects all of us and we must reach a consensus. That's just the nature of the beast.

I don't believe we were meant to be ungovernable. Sure slower and more methodical than other potential systems but not the mess we have today. That's a size issue not a skill issue. We also as I state constantly need to rethink if what the Founders set up 250 years ago in a world where getting all the actors to the table was a matter of weeks and weather vs today where push come to shove they can do it in their PJs via Skype. Even decades ago it would take very specific circumstances to prevent us from reaching via phone and plane every important govenrment official in under 24 hours if the need arose. Maybe its time we fucking thought for ourselves.

For a bunch of people who pride themselves so independent we collectively are VERY happy to be herded by the dead.

You Brits on the the other hand are going to have a far harder time liberating yourself with no guns to start with.

We have very different philosophies of govt,.



Desribing the UK, Anna. You have no freedom of speech. You have no freedom of science. YOu are being invaded and colonized and you'll end up with a very bloody civil war as the colonists are sent packing.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Please note that we here in the US aren't defenseless or "helpless and vulnerable."

Because we have guns.

You Brits, OTOH, don't have guns and when the bad guy shows up he gets what he wants. When the police finally show up, they get what they want too - by arresting the victims. And there isn't squat you can do about it.

Because you DON'T have guns.

Good luck with being helpless and vulnerable.

Yeah, you're completely going to be supporting that nonsense when inevitably the government that is massively overstepping its bounds gets someone killed in the coming months amirite? Can I count on you to be backing the American people of Detroit or Chicago when thugs who no longer need warrants kick in the doors of US Citizens or invade workplaces?

 

[HisArpy]

I’m so sick of this transphobic bullshit and scapegoating. I think I’m done being a Republican.

If you think those things are what makes a Republican a Republican, you never were one in the first place.

 

[pinkparkhorse]

If you think those things are what makes a Republican a Republican, you never were one in the first place.

My views have always been more aligned with the right until this batshittery took over.

 

[HisArpy]

My views have always been more aligned with the right until this batshittery took over.

Does that mean your political beliefs change with the political winds?

 

[pinkparkhorse]

Does that mean your political beliefs change with the political winds?

No it means I don’t know where the Hell I belong anymore.

 

[HisArpy]

No it means I don’t know where the Hell I belong anymore.

Which isn't a Republican problem, it's a you problem. One you can sort out if you stop listening to those who want to manipulate you through your emotions.

 

[pinkparkhorse]

L

Which isn't a Republican problem, it's a you problem. One you can sort out if you stop listening to those who want to manipulate you through your emotions.

Can you honestly tell me the Republican party is anything like it was 10 years ago?

 

[HisArpy]

L

Can you honestly tell me the Republican party is anything like it was 10 years ago?

I can tell you that my political ideology hasn't changed in 45+ years. I believe that most R's will tell you the same.

What's changed is how the media is portraying today's current events in an effort to alter society's political views.

The challenge is for you to cut through the crap and SEE for yourself if the people around you have changed into the purported racist, fear-mongering, bible-thumping, midnight KKKlansmen the Leftist media wants you think they've become.