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The case for changing primaries and going to ranked choice voting

Those who don't want to rank choice vote can just vote like they normally do for one singular candidate.
 
MajorRewrite said:
The potential benefits of changing how we do primary voting and switching to a ranked-choice voting system. The video explains what happened after Alaska made these changes.

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Fuck that shit. Alaska has it and are now trying to get rid of it.
 
ll74 said:
Why? It worked for them.

Minority of people figured out that they are the minority
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lol. Here’s how well it worked for them.

How is the electoral experiment known as ranked-choice voting faring in the real world? Ask Alaskans, who are rushing to kill it—even as outsider supporters pull out the stops to keep the mess in place.

Lower-48 millionaire dilettantes in 2020 targeted the state’s small media market and voting population to impose a statewide ranked-choice voting system. Alaskans were presented with a mind-boggling 25-page initiative that broadly promised “better elections.” Few knew what they were voting for (what the outsiders intended), and it barely passed

In March 2022 Rep. Don Young died, setting up the first jungle primary under the new system. The mob of 48 candidates denied Alaskans any chance at knowing the field or hearing substantive debate. The unwieldy ballot became a state joke, with citizens grimly noting that they might as well choose candidates by throwing a dart.

The top four finishers advanced to the general election, in which voters were asked to rank them in order of preference. The complex process was made more insane when one of the four finalists suspended her campaign, prompting litigation over whether the fifth-place finisher could replace her. (He could.) The campaigning featured shifting alliances, back-room deals, and misleading explanations. The system for reporting results was slow and opaque, leaving Alaskans deeply suspicious. The process also disenfranchised the many voters who chose to vote for just one candidate, meaning their ballot was “exhausted” if their choice was eliminated in the first round. Two Republicans split the vote, and Democrat Mary Peltola won in a state that Donald Trump carried two years earlier by 10 points.

Furious at being made guinea pigs, Alaskan conservatives are fighting back. Last week’s House primary featured Ms. Peltola and 11 other candidates, nine of whom received fewer than 3,000 votes combined. Two prominent Republicans fought to advance. Nick Begich (who ran in 2022) promised to withdraw if he finished third, while Lt. Gov Nancy Dahlstrom vowed to stay in no matter what.

When Ms. Dahlstrom placed third, threatening another GOP split, conservative voters lost their minds. Her Facebook page exploded with demands: “DROP OUT.” “You are being selfish.” “Read the room.” State GOP leaders called for her withdrawal; conservatives started a petition; national Republicans took aim. Her political future in peril, Ms. Dahlstrom quit.

Bottom line: The general election will feature Ms. Peltola vs. Mr. Begich and two no-names with no support. With classic can-do spirit, Alaskans engineered their own head-to-head contest.

But the interlopers aren’t done. The 2020 initiative campaign was funded by left-leaning groups and wealthy liberals in the lower 48 that provided millions to an outfit called Alaskans for Better Elections. Its lawyer, Scott Kendall, is waging an ugly lawfare campaign against Alaskans working to right their system. When more than 37,000 signed a petition to get repeal on this year’s ballot, he filed an ethics complaint against the signature gatherers and sued to have the petition thrown out on technicalities. The state Supreme Court a week ago kicked his suit to the curb.

Now ranked-choice backers are blanketing TV and radio airwaves with new ads hilariously claiming that “smart conservatives” will vote to keep the system because it helps elect conservatives. The ads are sponsored by a mysterious group called Conservative Majority Fund, which looks to be spending a bundle. We don’t know, because it appears not to be registered with Alaska’s Public Offices Commission, the state’s disclosure regulator.
 
BabyBoomer50s said:
How is the electoral experiment known as ranked-choice voting faring in the real world? Ask Alaskans, who are rushing to kill it—even as outsider supporters pull out the stops to keep the mess in place.
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Correction: Alaskans aren’t “rushing to kill it”. Alaskan politicians are trying to kill it.

We’ll find out what the people think when they vote on repealing it.
 
BabyBoomer50s said:
lol. Here’s how well it worked for them.

How is the electoral experiment known as ranked-choice voting faring in the real world? Ask Alaskans, who are rushing to kill it—even as outsider supporters pull out the stops to keep the mess in place.

Lower-48 millionaire dilettantes in 2020 targeted the state’s small media market and voting population to impose a statewide ranked-choice voting system. Alaskans were presented with a mind-boggling 25-page initiative that broadly promised “better elections.” Few knew what they were voting for (what the outsiders intended), and it barely passed

In March 2022 Rep. Don Young died, setting up the first jungle primary under the new system. The mob of 48 candidates denied Alaskans any chance at knowing the field or hearing substantive debate. The unwieldy ballot became a state joke, with citizens grimly noting that they might as well choose candidates by throwing a dart.

The top four finishers advanced to the general election, in which voters were asked to rank them in order of preference. The complex process was made more insane when one of the four finalists suspended her campaign, prompting litigation over whether the fifth-place finisher could replace her. (He could.) The campaigning featured shifting alliances, back-room deals, and misleading explanations. The system for reporting results was slow and opaque, leaving Alaskans deeply suspicious. The process also disenfranchised the many voters who chose to vote for just one candidate, meaning their ballot was “exhausted” if their choice was eliminated in the first round. Two Republicans split the vote, and Democrat Mary Peltola won in a state that Donald Trump carried two years earlier by 10 points.

Furious at being made guinea pigs, Alaskan conservatives are fighting back. Last week’s House primary featured Ms. Peltola and 11 other candidates, nine of whom received fewer than 3,000 votes combined. Two prominent Republicans fought to advance. Nick Begich (who ran in 2022) promised to withdraw if he finished third, while Lt. Gov Nancy Dahlstrom vowed to stay in no matter what.

When Ms. Dahlstrom placed third, threatening another GOP split, conservative voters lost their minds. Her Facebook page exploded with demands: “DROP OUT.” “You are being selfish.” “Read the room.” State GOP leaders called for her withdrawal; conservatives started a petition; national Republicans took aim. Her political future in peril, Ms. Dahlstrom quit.

Bottom line: The general election will feature Ms. Peltola vs. Mr. Begich and two no-names with no support. With classic can-do spirit, Alaskans engineered their own head-to-head contest.

But the interlopers aren’t done. The 2020 initiative campaign was funded by left-leaning groups and wealthy liberals in the lower 48 that provided millions to an outfit called Alaskans for Better Elections. Its lawyer, Scott Kendall, is waging an ugly lawfare campaign against Alaskans working to right their system. When more than 37,000 signed a petition to get repeal on this year’s ballot, he filed an ethics complaint against the signature gatherers and sued to have the petition thrown out on technicalities. The state Supreme Court a week ago kicked his suit to the curb.

Now ranked-choice backers are blanketing TV and radio airwaves with new ads hilariously claiming that “smart conservatives” will vote to keep the system because it helps elect conservatives. The ads are sponsored by a mysterious group called Conservative Majority Fund, which looks to be spending a bundle. We don’t know, because it appears not to be registered with Alaska’s Public Offices Commission, the state’s disclosure regulator.
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It worked out well.

People not understanding it was a marketing issue.

Campaigns using lawsuits to overcome it is a usual thing.
 
Rightguide said:
Fuck that shit. Alaska has it and are now trying to get rid of it.
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No, Alaskans writ large are not trying to get rid of it. Alaska Republicans are because it broke their monopoly (but wouldn't have if their base had simply voted strategically).
 
Ranked choice voting was invented by an Oxford Mathematician in the 1860's. He was Charles Lutwidge Dodgson and the system which has been particularly robust in marginalizing extremists where adopted.

Dodgson is of course much better known as the author of "Alice's adventures in Wonderland." I personally am impressed that the Dodgson voting system; as psephologists know it, was invented by the same man who brought us the Mad Hatter, Tweedledum and Tweedledee
 
colddiesel said:
Ranked choice voting was invented by an Oxford Mathematician in the 1860's. He was Charles Lutwidge Dodgson and the system which has been particularly robust in marginalizing extremists where adopted.

Dodgson is of course much better known as the author of "Alice's adventures in Wonderland." I personally am impressed that the Dodgson voting system; as psephologists know it, was invented by the same man who brought us the Mad Hatter, Tweedledum and Tweedledee
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Are you Australian? Do you vote in a Ranked Choice system? What is your detailed opinion on voting that way, other than saying you're impressed, if so?
 
Australia has preferential (ranked) voting. I wish the US did.


Best wishes to Aussies on their upcoming election.
 
BabyBoomer50s said:
lol. Here’s how well it worked for them.

How is the electoral experiment known as ranked-choice voting faring in the real world? Ask Alaskans, who are rushing to kill it—even as outsider supporters pull out the stops to keep the mess in place.
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Your comment aged so well. 😆 Alaskans “rushed” to vote to keep ranked choice voting.

Alaska has voted to continue using ranked choice voting (RCV) and open primaries.

This historic vote comes on the heels of ranked choice voting’s successful use in the state in 2022 and 2024, where it has been used to choose members of Congress, state legislators, and the governor. This year, Alaska voters used RCV to vote for president for the first time.

Ranked choice voting has given Alaskans better choices on their ballots and made campaigns more positive. Following the state’s first RCV elections in 2022, bipartisan majority coalitions formed in both houses of the state legislature that aimed to put Alaska’s interests above party interests; this year, bipartisan majority coalitions had already formed by the day after the election.
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