The Bratty Thread

[KoPilot]

"I'm really not into gory movies, sorry."

"Wow, seriously? It's not like anyone actually gets flayed alive or their eyes gouged out for real in these things or anything. You just need to stop being so sensitive and have some fun for once, jeez. You take things way too seriously, you pathetic wimp."

Another analogy for you all.

 

[All_4_Love]

I hate gory movies. I don’t see how anyone could enjoy them.

If someone told me to lighten up and just watch a gory movie. I would sit down, bury my face so I couldn't see, and plug my ears while they watched the gory movie.

Who am I to judge? Who am I to feel judged? Who am I to try to convince? Why not just take things with a grain of salt, and yes, lighten up a bit?

No one is trying to tell you that there is anything wrong with you. Did you read Netzach’s comments? There is much validation in there for you, if that is what you need.

Come on, girl. It makes me sad because the more fuel that gets added to this fire, the worse YOU are going to feel about this. It really isn’t that important.

*enter armchair psychologist*

You are okay with your sexuality! Be okay with it then! Don’t worry what other people say. If your husband says he is not okay with your sexuality, then you have a problem, like so many others who post here in this forum. That’s something to truly be upset about.

*hugs*

 

[KoPilot]

I hate gory movies. I don’t see how anyone could enjoy them.

If someone told me to lighten up and just watch a gory movie. I would sit down, bury my face so I couldn't see, and plug my ears while they watched the gory movie.

Who am I to judge? Who am I to feel judged? Who am I to try to convince? Why not just take things with a grain of salt, and yes, lighten up a bit?

No one is trying to tell you that there is anything wrong with you. Did you read Netzach’s comments? There is much validation in there for you, if that is what you need.

Come on, girl. It makes me sad because the more fuel that gets added to this fire, the worse YOU are going to feel about this. It really isn’t that important.

*enter armchair psychologist*

You are okay with your sexuality! Be okay with it then! Don’t worry what other people say. If your husband says he is not okay with your sexuality, then you have a problem, like so many others who post here in this forum. That’s something to truly be upset about.

*hugs*

What you fail to see is that I'm actually perfectly fine, I'm not feeling attacked, I don't need hugs, and I don't need validation from anyone on this forum. My posting history makes that preeetty obvious. I'd still come here and post even if everyone hated me.

All I'm actually doing, to put it in plain english, is playing "maybe let's stop making character judgments based on stupid shit" police. Because there are actually people who are sensitive probably coming to this board, seeing the assholes, and deciding to not ever post. And that, to me, ain't fuckin' fair.

Like, when I see comments like these previous few, I see people trying desperately to have fun at someone else's expense (around here we actually consider that to be a manifestation of insecurity), and it's like... why? I don't see the point. But maybe I don't get it because I've forgotten what it feels like to be insecure.

I'm allowed to react to something in a negative way without it coming from a place of deep wounding. Maybe consider that I'm just plain old frustrated and want yall's to like... just shut up because you're irritating.

 

[Netzach]

I can't stand tomatoes. Never have, even as a baby who was a far from fussy eater. I love their smell, the look of them drizzled with basil, olive oil and black pepper. I even like them cooked, with peppers, onions, etc. But the raw tomato just doesn't do anything for me.

Those people who like tomatoes - what is it about them you like? Is it the texture? The flavour? I'm really curious to know, because I've tried and tried, and they just aren't for me.

An analogy, for what it's worth. Would that make anyone angry? Because it's, more or less, the direct equivalent.

I call steaming pile of disingenuous dookie. It's all well and good to say "it's like having brown eyes" when it comes to genetic predisposition and sexuality, but to pretend that human sexuality is realistically ever treated neutrally and "whatever floats your boat" casually by anyone is complete poop. If I actually said what I thought every time I have to fucking read that same fucking anais nin quote on every fourth femsub sig believe me, a few people's panties would be wadded. Because it *is* personal.

 

[All_4_Love]

What you fail to see is that I'm actually perfectly fine, I'm not feeling attacked, I don't need hugs, and I don't need validation from anyone on this forum. My posting history makes that preeetty obvious. I'd still come here and post even if everyone hated me.

All I'm actually doing, to put it in plain english, is playing "maybe let's stop making character judgments based on stupid shit" police. Because there are actually people who are sensitive probably coming to this board, seeing the assholes, and deciding to not ever post. And that, to me, ain't fuckin' fair.

Like, when I see comments like these previous few, I see people trying desperately to have fun at someone else's expense (around here we actually consider that to be a manifestation of insecurity), and it's like... why? I don't see the point. But maybe I don't get it because I've forgotten what it feels like to be insecure.

I'm allowed to react to something in a negative way without it coming from a place of deep wounding. Maybe consider that I'm just plain old frustrated and want yall's to like... just shut up because you're irritating.

Okay, that's fair enough. I apologize for annoying the hell out of you. I honestly thought you were drowning in shark-infested waters and I was trying to throw you a raft. I get it that you don't need my help. I didn't feel the need to read your posting history. I was just judging by what I saw from yesterday and today.

Oh, and don't mind my hugs. I give them to everyone. It's just who I am.

And, also, if that is what you're trying to do is make a relevant point, perhaps you could take a look at the posts here from Netzach. It's hard to understand your position because you're ranting...a lot.

 

[KoPilot]

I call steaming pile of disingenuous dookie. It's all well and good to say "it's like having brown eyes" when it comes to genetic predisposition and sexuality, but to pretend that human sexuality is realistically ever treated neutrally and "whatever floats your boat" casually by anyone is complete poop. If I actually said what I thought every time I have to fucking read that same fucking anais nin quote on every fourth femsub sig believe me, a few people's panties would be wadded. Because it *is* personal.

You know what's disingenuous?

The fact that people who obviously have no interest in brats or the bratting dynamic coming in here to goad, to attempt to sound clever (trust me, you all are pretty much on the level of Primalex trolling here), and interrupting a perfectly good discussion going on without them. It's like... can they seriously not handle the idea of a conversation about this happening, hidden away in its own little thread, anywhere here? Nobody's making them read any of these posts. Just the fact that it exists seems to bother them.

Also yes, sexuality doesn't exist in a fucking vacuum and anyone who honestly thinks so might want to take a psychology 101 class because wow that's some "earth is flat" shit right there.

 

[All_4_Love]

Because there are actually people who are sensitive probably coming to this board, seeing the assholes, and deciding to not ever post. And that, to me, ain't fuckin' fair.

I was one of those people. I lurked here for years. If they want to post, then they will figure out how things run around here, and either post respectfully, or get ate up in shark-infested waters.

 

[All_4_Love]

(trust me, you all are pretty much on the level of Primalex trolling here)

Okay! Now, that's just going too far!!!

And I never trust anyone who says "trust me".

 

[KoPilot]

Okay, that's fair enough. I apologize for annoying the hell out of you. I honestly thought you were drowning in shark infested waters and I was trying to throw you a raft. I get it that you don't need my help. I didn't feel the need to read your posting history. I was just judging by what I saw from yesterday and today.

Oh, and don't mind my hugs. I give them to everyone. It's just who I am.

And, also, if that is what you're trying to do is make a relevant point, perhaps you could take a look at the posts here from Netzach. It's hard to understand your position because you're ranting...a lot.

Yeah yeah, I'll get to Netz later. I don't have much to add to it other than "this, this!" right now anyway.

But yeah, I've put up with/participated in worse. The way my brain is wired makes me a veritable pattern-recognizing machine, so studying all the hater's hate in response to this horseshit just makes me laugh.

C'mon y'tools, throw me more data so you can just prove me even more right. I dare you.

 

[DesEsseintes]

I like the fact that you live in the Kuiper Belt, Ms Ko. I myself spent several happy years in the Oort Cloud, so we were virtually neighbours. And I do like to get on with my neighbours.

I must have lived a very sheltered, lucky life (in some ways, I probably have). I have never felt judged on my sexuality or desires, nor known any one to do so. I would think less of anyone who did. I therefore have a confidence in my own feelings which, I am sure, would be a little less secure had I felt sniped at for years and years. That being the case, I am sure I underestimated the depth of irritation caused by your feeling constantly questioned about the validity of your kink.

To the extent that I added any fuel to that particular fire, I apologize. I am happy to send a hamper of pretty/delicious things to your home, but given that it is several billion miles away and the postal charges might prove prohibitive, I wonder if honour would be satisfied with this aetherial version of the same.

I suppose tone is always hard to judge online, without resorting to the sort of emoticons that make one question the value of universal secondary education. Please let me assure you that my initial response, on another thread, was genuinely motivated by curiosity, as I tried to make very clear. I suppose the line between hectoring, questioning and simple curiosity is a fine one, especially when the nerves have been frayed. But you might admit that, for doubtless understandable reasons, your own responses were far from coolly academic. My analogies were, naturally, reductio ad very absurdam (though not, I venture to hope, to quite the scatological level suggested by our recent interlocutor), but I really was curious. I shall, however, in the circumstances, restrain my curiosity from now on, or seek to satisfy it elsewhere.

Please be assured, if further assurance were needed, that I would not dream of seeking to decide who is or is not a 'true' sub, if such definitions have any useful meaning anyway. I am a mere student in such matters, as we all are. Perhaps, though, if we all (myself not least, of course!) sought to detach ourselves from the personal investment we make in particular kinks, dynamics, etc and consider them as objectively as possible (whilst realising, naturally and as has been pointed out, that pure objectivity cannot exist in such a fraught area), it would make for a more informed discussion.

I have enjoyed reading your point of view, and thank you for it. In the absence of a handshake, please believe me to be honoured in signing myself,

Very truly yours,

Des Esseintes.

 

[KoPilot]

You know, I'm really not in the business of having petty rivalries with folks online anymore (this is a relatively recent development, unfortunately), except for maybe Lex. I've butt heads with pretty much everyone here at some point, and at the end of the day, I'm sure if I knew any of them in real life (StrayKat included) I'd probably still buy them a beer. Or whatever drink they'd prefer. I've put up with some really painful shit, some really grating shit, some really long, drawn-out, and terribly unfortunate shit in my day, just like most everyone else has. Whatever it is that's being directed at me I can handle. What I can't handle is generalizations. Shameless biases based in just enough reality to make sense to the folks who didn't need a reason to agree with you anyway. Stuff I recognize as being systemic. Folks whose entire worldviews rely on there not being any systemic problems whatsoever.

I try to say what I mean and mean what I say unless my opinion is so far out there or so not going to get listened to that it doesn't matter either way.

Anyways, feel free to come around and speak plainly, laugh with me and not at me; that honor is reserved for S.

 

[StrayKat]

I was out of this thread because frankly I said all I had to say about the subject. But let me just point one thing - however I get irritated with Primalex "trolling" sometimes, that guy trumps most of you here when it comes to brains and logical conclusions. And he doesnt feel the need to go all arrogant and brag how smart and right he is.
Yes, he annoys the shit out of me sometimes, but if you dont dismiss him as just another troll you can learn quite a bit from his posting. No matter how much you personally refuse to learn anything from people older, wiser and smarter than you, KoPilot.

 

[All_4_Love]

I like the fact that you live in the Kuiper Belt, Ms Ko. I myself spent several happy years in the Oort Cloud, so we were virtually neighbours. And I do like to get on with my neighbours.

I must have lived a very sheltered, lucky life (in some ways, I probably have). I have never felt judged on my sexuality or desires, nor known any one to do so. I would think less of anyone who did. I therefore have a confidence in my own feelings which, I am sure, would be a little less secure had I felt sniped at for years and years. That being the case, I am sure I underestimated the depth of irritation caused by your feeling constantly questioned about the validity of your kink.

To the extent that I added any fuel to that particular fire, I apologize. I am happy to send a hamper of pretty/delicious things to your home, but given that it is several billion miles away and the postal charges might prove prohibitive, I wonder if honour would be satisfied with this aetherial version of the same.

I suppose tone is always hard to judge online, without resorting to the sort of emoticons that make one question the value of universal secondary education. Please let me assure you that my initial response, on another thread, was genuinely motivated by curiosity, as I tried to make very clear. I suppose the line between hectoring, questioning and simple curiosity is a fine one, especially when the nerves have been frayed. But you might admit that, for doubtless understandable reasons, your own responses were far from coolly academic. My analogies were, naturally, reductio ad very absurdam (though not, I venture to hope, to quite the scatological level suggested by our recent interlocutor), but I really was curious. I shall, however, in the circumstances, restrain my curiosity from now on, or seek to satisfy it elsewhere.

Please be assured, if further assurance were needed, that I would not dream of seeking to decide who is or is not a 'true' sub, if such definitions have any useful meaning anyway. I am a mere student in such matters, as we all are. Perhaps, though, if we all (myself not least, of course!) sought to detach ourselves from the personal investment we make in particular kinks, dynamics, etc and consider them as objectively as possible (whilst realising, naturally and as has been pointed out, that pure objectivity cannot exist in such a fraught area), it would make for a more informed discussion.

I have enjoyed reading your point of view, and thank you for it. In the absence of a handshake, please believe me to be honoured in signing myself,

Very truly yours,

Des Esseintes.

You are quite the gentleman, Des Esseintes, and profoundly eloquent with the written word.

 

[All_4_Love]

I was out of this thread because frankly I said all I had to say about the subject. But let me just point one thing - however I get irritated with Primalex "trolling" sometimes, that guy trumps most of you here when it comes to brains and logical conclusions. And he doesnt feel the need to go all arrogant and brag how smart and right he is.
Yes, he annoys the shit out of me sometimes, but if you dont dismiss him as just another troll you can learn quite a bit from his posting. No matter how much you personally refuse to learn anything from people older, wiser and smarter than you, KoPilot.

Absolutely, Kat. Well said.

 

[StrayKat]

Absolutely, Kat. Well said.

Mind you tho, I am not all that a groupie, I would sooner beat him with a stick than anything else.
But I give credit where credit is due.

 

[All_4_Love]

Mind you tho, I am not all that a groupie, I would sooner beat him with a stick than anything else.
But I give credit where credit is due.

I'm putting in my request to be elevated from groupie status to distant admirer, please.

 

[KoPilot]

No matter how much you personally refuse to learn anything from people older, wiser and smarter than you, KoPilot.

Know what, fuck it. Keep making all the assumptions about me that you want, it ain't gonna make a lick of difference.

Like Netz says: if you've got nothing to contribute that's on-topic, you can kindly take your self-righteous lecturing elsewhere, thanks.

 

[Netzach]

Can anyone who does not want to discuss brats and bratting beyond "do not want" shut the flying fuck up off *this* thread?

Or are we going to continue to be the equivalent of the straight guys insisting they belong on the lesbian thread lecturing the youngun's on whatever they want to pull out of their ass because they like pussy too har har har.

 

[Endless_Night]

Mind you tho, I am not all that a groupie, I would sooner beat him with a stick than anything else.
But I give credit where credit is due.

I'm putting in my request to be elevated from groupie status to distant admirer, please.

ROFLMAO!

You two are a riot.

 

[All_4_Love]

ROFLMAO!

You two are a riot.

I know! I'm totally enamored with her! It's "twue" love, I tell ya!

Okay, I'm getting the heck outta here before somebody kicks my butt!

 

[StrayKat]

Know what, fuck it. Keep making all the assumptions about me that you want, it ain't gonna make a lick of difference.

Like Netz says: if you've got nothing to contribute that's on-topic, you can kindly take your self-righteous lecturing elsewhere, thanks.

Know what? You fuck it. It is fine when you make the thread about your prancing around and bragging how great you are, calling out someone who didnt even post recently here as a troll. And then trying to order around some others again for daring to post a few jokes. Who made you the thread police?

When you make it about you being awesome, its fine, when somebody points out you are not so awesome you think you are, you start frothing around the mouth. If you dont want to be criticized dont push yourself onto others as the only merit of whatever the discussion is about.

I am perfectly fine with discussing here without anything negative about the subject. But I am not going to be ordered around and commanded by some self proclaimed internet primadonas into what am I allowed to say or not say just because some matter is not my pet flavor of the month.

 

[KoPilot]

frothing around the mouth

And I'm the one frothing, apparently.

Time for the popcorn!

ETA: actually, this sums things up much better:

http://media.tumblr.com/a0d044a22de3373eb82904720dd0c518/tumblr_inline_mp3i4jGuCZ1qz4rgp.jpg

 

[Netzach]

Know what? You fuck it. It is fine when you make the thread about your prancing around and bragging how great you are, calling out someone who didnt even post recently here as a troll. And then trying to order around some others again for daring to post a few jokes. Who made you the thread police?

When you make it about you being awesome, its fine, when somebody points out you are not so awesome you think you are, you start frothing around the mouth. If you dont want to be criticized dont push yourself onto others as the only merit of whatever the discussion is about.

I am perfectly fine with discussing here without anything negative about the subject. But I am not going to be ordered around and commanded by some self proclaimed internet primadonas into what am I allowed to say or not say just because some matter is not my pet flavor of the month.

You can say whatever the fuck you want. You cannot say it *where* ever the fuck you want and then tell people responding however the fuck *they* want that the same rules don't apply to them... this latitude to speak freely and go unchallenged should belong to you somehow and no one else.

The hypocrisy is amazing. Even Primalex, your paragon of mature wisdom, could punch a hole in your logic.

Why exactly are you here right now, other than needing an infusion of attention? Because you yourself proclaimed, hands over eyes and dancing aroung going "ew ew ew" that this isn't your kink.

You know what someone does when they encounter a kink they're not into and they're not a narcissistic attention whore? (And I even play one on TV...) They shut up. They learn something or they remove themselves and assume they don't know jack about that scene and other people do. I've done this. I've done it live. I've done it on threads. I've done it often. And I lived. And it's always amazing to me when people who can't manage to do this want to play in the big-people pond of adult games that can get people hurt.

Someone could actually shut up and learn something, and it's not KP.

 

[Netzach]

For someone who can't ABHOR those immature acting-out brat assholes I think a whole slough of people protest WAY too much.

 

[StrayKat]

You can say whatever the fuck you want. You cannot say it *where* ever the fuck you want and then tell people responding however the fuck *they* want that the same rules don't apply to them... this latitude to speak freely and go unchallenged should belong to you somehow and no one else.

The hypocrisy is amazing. Even Primalex, your paragon of mature wisdom, could punch a hole in your logic.

Why exactly are you here right now, other than needing an infusion of attention? Because you yourself proclaimed, hands over eyes and dancing aroung going "ew ew ew" that this isn't your kink.

You know what someone does when they encounter a kink they're not into and they're not a narcissistic attention whore? (And I even play one on TV...) They shut up. They learn something or they remove themselves and assume they don't know jack about that scene and other people do. I've done this. I've done it live. I've done it on threads. I've done it often. And I lived. And it's always amazing to me when people who can't manage to do this want to play in the big-people pond of adult games that can get people hurt.

Someone could actually shut up and learn something, and it's not KP.

And I am saying that you cannot call me out all the time and expect me not to respond. I am not your fucking pet to shut up when you say so. And you are not some fucking queen bee of the show unless I see you as such. Which I dont.

I could accept your knowledge if it was presented with different attitude, I dont accept your notion that just those who are pro have right to participate. Maybe *you* could learn something from those who are con if you would get of that high horse, stop attacking them and actually listen.

The fact that you answered something that was never directed at you speaks volumes.