The Benefits of Crying Wolf

[RhumbRunner13]

Clearly, any woman must be believed when she says that she has been raped. No woman would ever lie about such a thing. For that matter, women never lie at all, do they?

As for the rapist--a trial is completely unnecessary. Just castrate the guy.

I think HG hit on a truth here.

If a man is a celebrity, sports figure, politician, law enforcement officer, holds a position of trust (clergy, teacher...) or is a "respected member" of the community in any way the simple charge is enough to destroy his future. It is a power move made by a woman that can NOT be refuted by the man accused.

This is not meant to diminish those cases where a crime actually occurs. Punishment should be equal in all cases of assault, regardless of the level to which it is committed.

I do think, however, that anyone making a false claim should suffer the same penalty that would have been imposed by a conviction on that false charge.

Rhumb

 

[MissTaken]

Clearly, any woman must be believed when she says that she has been raped. No woman would ever lie about such a thing. For that matter, women never lie at all, do they?

As for the rapist--a trial is completely unnecessary. Just castrate the guy.

I've heard of people that have been raped by aliens. It's going to be hard to catch those aliens, though. Their flying saucers are just too maneuverable.

Some women lie.
Many don't.

Some men rape.
Many don't.

It never hurts for a man to be cautious in his interactions with a woman, nor does it hurt for a woman to use some caution as well.

It takes one lying bitch to make the rest of the women who have been victimized to be second guessed and have to put up with accusations and generalizations.

Rape and sexual abuse is just one of those issues that can't seem to be effectively discussed on a BB. It is too emotionally charged by each posters experience, directly or indirectly with the issue.

 

[Lancecastor]

In another thread, someone continues to mention that women cry wolf many times when they haven't actually been raped.

I would like to know just what the advantage is of lying about being raped.

It happens and the perceived advantage is usually:

- Some are disturbed people, as was pointed out.

- Some do it to avoid fessing up for the shame of a pregnancy or upon discovery of an affair.

- Some do it as blackmail.

But it does happen, Lavender. Probably not nearly as often as Aquila might have said...no surprise.

Lavvy, Darlin'.....You've been back for what, a day?...and you got into a gender scrap with Aquila's Brain Trust Inc on the Oprah thread and now here you are with a 50 post plus thread on "fake rape claims- a feminist perspective."

Have you ever thought about a MegaMotherThread for GenderIssues?

Just a thought...
Lance

 

[lavender]

 

[busybody..]

Lav

On what basis do u say this?

I know it happens Lance. But, I think the extent to which this takes place is greatly overrated by many

 

[RhumbRunner13]

Re: Lav

On what basis do u say this?

I know it happens Lance. But, I think the extent to which this takes place is greatly overrated by many

You and Lav seem to be dismissing this with the attitude that "only a few men are destroyed", so why worry. If there was any such charge that could so destroy a woman’s life, would you be so nonchalant.

Rhumb

 

[lavender]

Re: Re: Lav

 

[RhumbRunner13]

For those who haven't, they get to experience rape, of a different kind, for the first time.


You aren't suggesting that those few women who bring false rape charges against a man are then somehow "raped" in legal investigations and court, are you Lav?

Rhumb

 

[Lancecastor]

I know it happens Lance. But, I think the extent to which this takes place is greatly overrated by many.

A mega thread for gender issues wouldn't work, I don't think. Thanks for the suggestion.

I think you think it is greatly overstated (not overrated, right?) by Aquila.

Why not a MegaThread? Worked for BDSM.

 

[lavender]

 

[Lancecastor]

Narrowing of 4, 5 and 6 D heels.

I'd like good quality shoes with a narrower heel.

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[Lancecastor]

For More On This Evening's Thread....

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[RhumbRunner13]

I find it interesting that conservatives/Republicans are typically not those fighting for the rights of the accused. They claim they are "tough on crime" when it comes to judicial appointments. They usually read a narrower version of the 4th Amendment. They want a narrow 5th and 6th Amendment as well. Yet, the same people who are so much opposed to the accused's rights in other contexts, are there toting the flag of the rights of defendant's in rape trials.

It's an interesting phenomenon. It demonstrates that politics wins over principles.

Please don't confuse my beliefs that when a great deal of evidence points toward a suspect, i.e. the "sniper", that my beliefs are blind. I must see some evidence beyond one lone accuser claiming a crime took place.

There are numerous cases of men spending decades in jail because one witness in court claimed "he was the one", only later to be proven innocent, not just "not guilty" by DNA evidence. I think sometimes a woman’s desire for blind justice results in exactly that, a justice system that is blinded by the desire to protect women beyond the boundaries of equality.

Rhumb

 

[MissTaken]

A blind justice system?

Yes, a system that makes mistakes, no doubt.

However, there are men accused of murder sitting in prison for something they didnt' do.

Does that mean that justice system is too easily swayed by the accuser in that situation?

A woman who files charges for rape faces more trauma than a woman who keeps her mouth shut. Hence, many woman don't and won't file charges.

I am not suggesting that a finger pointed is enough to get a conviction. What I am suggesting is a justice system that treats women with respect and dignity rather than maligning and demeaning her after she has already be demoralized by the act.

And it is the wolf cryers that I blame for the system's skepticism with regard to rape victims.

It is NOT an easy crime to prove. IT is hardest on the victim of a crime to prove that the crime occured.

And no man is sent to jail based solely on the word of the victim. There must be corroborating evidence of a medical nature. Even witnesses aren't necessarily enough to substantiate the claims.

And yes, I give you that the system makes mistakes. I also submit that it is the only system we have and does serve it's purpose more often than not.

 

[RhumbRunner13]

I am not suggesting that a finger pointed is enough to get a conviction. What I am suggesting is a justice system that treats women with respect and dignity rather than maligning and demeaning her after she has already be demoralized by the act.

I would agree with you on ALL points, MT. As long as you will concede that the accused male should be treated "with respect and dignity rather than maligning and demeaning" him with nothing but an accusation by one other person.

Rhumb

 

[MissTaken]

I am not suggesting that a finger pointed is enough to get a conviction. What I am suggesting is a justice system that treats women with respect and dignity rather than maligning and demeaning her after she has already be demoralized by the act.

I would agree with you on ALL points, MT. As long as you will concede that the accused male should be treated "with respect and dignity rather than maligning and demeaning" him with nothing but an accusation by one other person.

Rhumb

Ummm but if I agree, we have nothing left to debate?

errrr

Okay! Seriously though, the judicial system does need to treat individuals as people, rather than "just another victim who is lying" or " just another dirty ole rapist"

 

[Aquila]

its seems rhumb is a thousand times better at making the same points I was trying to.

 

[MissTaken]

its seems rhumb is a thousand times better at making the same points I was trying to.

Well, geesh!

I did okay, too, didn't I?

 

[Aquila]

Well, geesh!

I did okay, too, didn't I?

please shoot me now, my veins in my temple are throbbing.

 

[MissTaken]

please shoot me now, my veins in my temple are throbbing.

*chuckles*

Should we take on the issues surrounding child sex offenders and how easily they are charged versus how easily they walk?

That is at topic I know something about .

 

[Aquila]

*chuckles*

Should we take on the issues surrounding child sex offenders and how easily they are charged versus how easily they walk?

That is at topic I know something about .

jesus Its all roled into one topic for me.

 

[MissTaken]

jesus Its all roled into one topic for me.

IT is actually very separate topics, involving multiple court systems and varying levels of burden of proof.

Oh, and the damage to children is....

well, another thread, another day.

It is getting to late to have to really think!

 

[RhumbRunner13]

Well, geesh!

I did okay, too, didn't I?

Yep, we pretty much agree. I would never want to see a rape victim treated less than with great respect going through a criminal procedure. I think the old (in most cases) of a defense attorney bringing up past sexual history is a low class tactic that only reflects on the class of our judicial system.

By the same token, the ability for a woman to walk into a police station with an accusation of rape, and the near certainty of an immediate arrest of the accused amounts to legal rape at the hands of the judicial system.

Rhumb

 

[Aquila]

IT is actually very separate topics, involving multiple court systems and varying levels of burden of proof.

Oh, and the damage to children is....

well, another thread, another day.

It is getting to late to have to really think!

molestation involves rape in my book.. its stacked up on there as well as other things.. but your right, ive argued one moral dillema too many tonight anyway.

 

[miles]

I find it interesting that conservatives/Republicans are typically not those fighting for the rights of the accused. They claim they are "tough on crime" when it comes to judicial appointments. They usually read a narrower version of the 4th Amendment. They want a narrow 5th and 6th Amendment as well. Yet, the same people who are so much opposed to the accused's rights in other contexts, are there toting the flag of the rights of defendant's in rape trials.

It's an interesting phenomenon. It demonstrates that politics wins over principles.

I'm not sure if I understand. Are you saying the majority of attorneys who represent defendants in rape trials are Republicans?

Gee. Alan Dershowitz and Johnnie Cochran defended the most famous wife/mother murderer/abuser in recent memory. Hardly bastions of Conservatism.

Please explain.