The American Dream

[Aglaopheme]

Seems like the only folks that have lost touch with what the American Dream is all about is Americans.

What does the American Dream mean to you? A good job? Education? Family?

Life should be better and richer and fuller for everyone, with opportunity for each according to ability or achievement" regardless of social class or circumstances of birth.

The American Dream is rooted in the Declaration of Independence, which proclaims that "all men are created equal" with the right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

There is no empirical evidence that immigration increases crime in the United States.
The Facts:

One measure of how likely a particular group is to commit crimes is to look at what share of that population ends up in prison. Recent immigrants are far less likely to be incarcerated than their native-born peers, according to United States Census data (see chart). In 2010, 1.9 percent of immigrant men ages 18-40 were incarcerated compared to 3.2 percent of native-born males the same age. This does not appear to be due to the deportation of immigrants who commit crimes, but the result of an actual difference in criminal behavior (see this research paper for analysis).

http://econofact.org/are-immigrants-more-likely-to-commit-crimes

In 2014, 10.5 million immigrants had a college degree or higher, representing about 29 percent of the total 36.7 million U.S. foreign-born population ages 25 and over. ... The number of immigrants with higher education has grown at more than twice the rate of the same population among the U.S. born

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/college-educated-immigrants-united-states

As Table 2.7 shows, compared with the native-born of the same age, new (1995) immigrants are more likely to be married and are less likely to be divorced, widowed, or separated. The differences between the native-born and all foreign-born residents are smaller, but the same general pattern holds. The image of immigration in this country is not one of lone, young men with little attachment to place, family, or country. Instead, it is couples who have married and are starting families. These higher marriage rates are not surprising, since family reunification receives such high priority in our system. In choosing between a woman married to a green card holder and an unattached single woman, the current policy selects the married women.

This image of a family-oriented immigrant is reinforced by examining the kind of families in which immigrants live. As Table 2.8 reveals, consistent with their higher rates of marriage, recent immigrants have a greater likelihood of living in family households (people living together related by blood or marriage)24 than the average native, especially if there are minor children present. These households are slightly more likely to include the spouse of the householder and so to constitute a married-couple family.25

https://www.nap.edu/read/5779/chapter/4#55

 

[RoryN]

I'm watching the racist right-fringe's ideals die a slow death as their administration implodes, and their stupidity and hypocrisy is being exposed to the entire world.

This IS my American dream.
*munch popcorn*

 

[RoryN]

But, probably what best represents the "American dream" right now is...the American Dream.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Dream_Meadowlands

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/30/Xanadu_Hackensack_River.JPG/1280px-Xanadu_Hackensack_River.JPG

Largest retail space in America...and it's been sitting empty for 16 years with no tenants.

 

[Que]

72 million people trace their residency in the United States to the Kennedy led push to open up immigration in 1965. Both in actual numbers and as a percentage of our population nowhere in the world has immigration been as prevalent as it has been during my lifetime in America. How many more Democrat voters do you need to import in order to push your ideas?

 

[Saint_Ann]

I'm living the dream.

 

[Saint Peter]

I have no complaints about my life or place in life. Hard work, good choices, living inside my means, and not having a billion children have worked in my favor. The American Dream came true.

My nephews are very smart and getting great educations. I worry about their futures.

 

[Hypoxia]

72 million people trace their residency in the United States to the Kennedy led push to open up immigration in 1965.

Citation?

 

[Amoebah]

The american dream is whatever the results from the OPs google search history interests told her because its what she wanted to hear.

And now she believes it to be true and will call you names if your search results said something else.

America is now whatever google thinks you want to hear.

 

[RoryN]

The american dream is whatever the results from my google search history interests told me because its what I wanted to hear.

fyp..

 

[Que]

fyp..

He covered that reality.

Always amusing to see people that believe that they and their side or not being propagandized and that they are actually exercising independent critical thinking despite the fact that they're 100-percent in lockstep with every one of their brethren, on every issue on their "side."

 

[trysail]

Blah, blah

Translation:

What's yours is mine.
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[Que]

Citation?

People such as yourself that are ignorant about basic well-known facts on a particular issue should not even bother to participate.

A reasonable debate point is whether or not that has been a good thing for America and whether continuing America's very open immigration policies will prove to be a good thing going forward.

What is not debatable are actual numbers that are easily determined from actual government records.

Admittedly, my numbers (off the top of my head) are two years out of date. The number by now has certainly surpassed 72 million.

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/09/28/modern-immigration-wave-brings-59-million-to-u-s-driving-population-growth-and-change-through-2065/ph_2015-09-28_immigration-through-2065-02/

There. Now that I provided an unnecessary in any informed debate citation, let the impugning the source, distractions with some other bullshit unrelated number that does not take into account what this one actually does and let the ridiculous arguments with self-serving dualing Google citations begin.

What no one is going to find are any countries on the planet with larger numbers of immigrants than the United States either in numerical count or as a percentage of their population. Fact.

 

[Amoebah]

American Whites are pretty much mongrels now due to all the immigrant cross breeding.

I wonder where the real white people are. England and Germany?

 

[Saint_Ann]

Immigrants, if nothing else, help to remind us how good we have it as a nation.

 

[Rightguide]

Immigrants, if nothing else, help to remind us how good we have it as a nation.

Illegal immigrants remind us how fragile our system is as well.

 

[RoryN]

He covered that reality.

Nope.

Always amusing to see people that believe that they and their side or not being propagandized and that they are actually exercising independent critical thinking despite the fact that they're 100-percent in lockstep with every one of their brethren, on every issue on their "side."

(This is admittedly not an original sentiment, but an appropriate response nonetheless):

oh, the irony...

 

[Que]

Nope.



(This is admittedly not an original sentiment, but an appropriate response nonetheless):

oh, the irony...

You, like Sgt Spidey don't know what it takes to be an actual case of irony. For example here, not only am I not claiming here in that I am immune to those same tendencies to sing with the choir from the prescribed hymnals, it is also at varience with the reality that I regularly disagree with portions of the right on various issues.

For example there's nothing at all conservative about telling other people what is and is not marriage. There's nothing all at all conservative about telling people in other countries who they should and should not support for in their leadership or their form of government. There's nothing at all conservative about borrowing money to spend on the military industrial complex. There's nothing conservative at all about using tax policy for social engineering such as collecting more money from one citizen over another based on how many children that citizen chooses to have. Or how large a mortgage that citizen chooses to contract with a bank for.

I will wager that there's not a single idea policy or meme from the left that you disagree with.

 

[Luk]

72 million people trace their residency in the United States to the Kennedy led push to open up immigration in 1965. Both in actual numbers and as a percentage of our population nowhere in the world has immigration been as prevalent as it has been during my lifetime in America. How many more Democrat voters do you need to import in order to push your ideas?

People such as yourself that are ignorant about basic well-known facts on a particular issue should not even bother to participate.

A reasonable debate point is whether or not that has been a good thing for America and whether continuing America's very open immigration policies will prove to be a good thing going forward.

What is not debatable are actual numbers that are easily determined from actual government records.

Admittedly, my numbers (off the top of my head) are two years out of date. The number by now has certainly surpassed 72 million.

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/09/28/modern-immigration-wave-brings-59-million-to-u-s-driving-population-growth-and-change-through-2065/ph_2015-09-28_immigration-through-2065-02/

There. Now that I provided an unnecessary in any informed debate citation, let the impugning the source, distractions with some other bullshit unrelated number that does not take into account what this one actually does and let the ridiculous arguments with self-serving dualing Google citations begin.

What no one is going to find are any countries on the planet with larger numbers of immigrants than the United States either in numerical count or as a percentage of their population. Fact.

Immigrants and Their Descendants Accounted for 72 Million in U.S. Population Growth from 1965 to 2015; Projected to Account for 103 Million More by 2065

So you guessed an exact number (off the top of your head)?

Stop lying, dipshit.

 

[Amoebah]

The sociopath will always accuse you of doing the very thing that they are guilty of themselves. They do this to deflect the attention from them.

Examples of this are

Accusing you of cheating
Accusing you of being dishonest or lying
Accusing you of talking about them
Accusing you of doing whatever it is that they are guilty of themselves

 

[Que]

Immigrants and Their Descendants Accounted for 72 Million in U.S. Population Growth from 1965 to 2015; Projected to Account for 103 Million More by 2065

So you guessed an exact number (off the top of your head)?

Stop lying, dipshit.

No, I RECALLED the (out of date) number off the top of my head where the fact resided, having put it there by reading regularly more in depth sources than twitter or the three or four words on a facebook meme. You should try it sometime.

You're such a cartoon. When I give rough estimates that's not good enough because I'm pulling numbers out of my ass. When I happen to know an exact number because I happen to know a (widely reported) exact number...that's pulling it out of my ass because it's exactly the correct number.

I certainly don't feel any need to apologize for having an eidetic memory and your feelings of inferiority.

 

[RoryN]

I will wager that there's not a single idea policy or meme from the left that you disagree with.

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=680925&highlight=thread
Thread title: In this thread, I officially condemn the fringe element of the left
Thread starter: RoryN

https://i.imgur.com/NHvzR8m.gif

 

[Aglaopheme]

72 million people trace their residency in the United States to the Kennedy led push to open up immigration in 1965. Both in actual numbers and as a percentage of our population nowhere in the world has immigration been as prevalent as it has been during my lifetime in America. How many more Democrat voters do you need to import in order to push your ideas?

Yeah.....


The nation’s population of American Indians and Alaska Natives, including those of more than one race. They made up about 2 percent of the total population in 2014. Of this total, about 48 percent were American Indian and Alaska Native only, and about 52 percent were American Indian and Alaska Native in combination with one or more other races.

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/facts-for-features/2015/cb15-ff22.html

 

[Aglaopheme]

Feel free to do your very own google search and prove me wrong when it comes to education, marriage and crime as they relate to immigrants.

I’ll wait.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

But, probably what best represents the "American dream" right now is...the American Dream.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Dream_Meadowlands

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/30/Xanadu_Hackensack_River.JPG/1280px-Xanadu_Hackensack_River.JPG

Largest retail space in America...and it's been sitting empty for 16 years with no tenants.

And Haiti's supposed to be the "shithole." And immigrants are supposedly "ruining" this country.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/glee/images/5/50/Jocasta_eye_roll.gif/revision/latest?cb=20140808155354

What an "American" fucking waste of everything "American."

 

[Luk]

No, I RECALLED the (out of date) number off the top of my head where the fact resided, having put it there by reading regularly more in depth sources than twitter or the three or four words on a facebook meme. You should try it sometime.

You're such a cartoon. When I give rough estimates that's not good enough because I'm pulling numbers out of my ass. When I happen to know an exact number because I happen to know a (widely reported) exact number...that's pulling it out of my ass because it's exactly the correct number.

I certainly don't feel any need to apologize for having an eidetic memory and your feelings of inferiority.

No one believes you. No one ever believes you. You already looked a fool in the conversation about unions and you're struggling here too.

And the information isn't widely reported. It was a specific date range on a specific polling site.