The 2nd Amendment...

[eyer]

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As passed by the Congress:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, Secretary of State:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

"A free people ought to be armed."
- George Washington

"Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth."
- George Washington

"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."
- George Washington

“Never trust a government that doesn’t trust its own citizens with guns.”
- Benjamin Franklin

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson

"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria)

"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson

"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
- Thomas Jefferson

"On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
- Thomas Jefferson

"Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self defense."
- John Adams:

"To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason

"I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians."
- George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe."
- Noah Webster

"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority ... the Constitution was made to guard against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."
- Noah Webster

"The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
- Noah Webster

"A government resting on the minority is an aristocracy, not a Republic, and could not be safe with a numerical and physical force against it, without a standing army, an enslaved press and a disarmed populace."
- James Madison

"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms."
- James Madison

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country."
- James Madison

"The ultimate authority resides in the people alone."
- James Madison

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
- William Pitt

"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
- Richard Henry Lee

"A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves ... and include all men capable of bearing arms."
- Richard Henry Lee

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
- Patrick Henry

"This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty.... The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction."
- St. George Tucker

"... arms ... discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property.... Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived the use of them."
- Thomas Paine

"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams

"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
- Joseph Story

"What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty.... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins."
- Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts

If you haven't figured it out yet, socialists, the 2nd Amendment is one of those unalienable, or inherent rights of any free individual; the right to self-defense being among the very core of natural law, regardless of any man's opinion...

...meaning that, in these here United States of America, that individual right is above the power of any government or any branch of government - executive, legislative, or judicial - to affect.

And, if any government in toto does not fulfill it's Constitutional oath to protect that right of every American, it is committing treason and is then justifiably subject to the full force of the natural law it is breaking..

You can either obey the Law and work to get the 2nd Amendment amended to favor your socialist slant (which ain't going to happen), or you can keep goosestepping in your social democratic way by erecting unconstitutional laws which might very well, eventually, result in your own demise...

...it seems to me this will just take maybe one or two more serious pushes to prove its revolutionary truthfulness.

 

[dirtycarol]

Thank you!

 

[koalabear]

Domestic Terrorist!!!!!!

 

[unregistered]

 

[eyer]

Liberals have a different idea.

Statists have a different idea...

...I'm a liberal, as were almost all the great men quoted above.

 

[coachdb18]

Statists have a different idea...

...I'm a liberal, as were almost all the great men quoted above.

The Founders were the originators of the concepts of Checks and Balances, and of Limited Government:

Alexander Hamilton, in expressing reservations to a Bill of Rights, expressed the fear that protecting specific rights might imply that any unmentioned rights would not be protected from the government:

I go further, and affirm that bills of rights, in the sense and in the extent in which they are contended for, are not only unnecessary in the proposed constitution, but would even be dangerous. They would contain various exceptions to powers which are not granted; and on this very account, would afford a colorable pretext to claim more than were granted. For why declare that things shall not be done which there is no power to do?

The Founders so completely distrusted government, the first US government was formed under the Articles of Confederation, so as to make the central government totally subservient to the individual states, and to the people.

 

[bra_man69]

Boy you can't find a lib here

 

[Peregrinator]

Excellent thread, eyer. That OP is a powerful piece of argumentation. Well done.


And no, I'm not being sarcastic.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Boy you can't find a lib here

They are busy in the other threads rationalizing their "SEE SEE GUNS=VIOLENCE!!" argument's.....the Sean butt brothers are all over this shit.

GUNS = VIOLENCE or YOU'RE FUCKING RETARDED
RETARD
SUPID
FUCK YOU

The typical fair for arguments made out of irrational fear over something they CAN'T stop.

I have never used IGGY in my 5 years on lit.....except for today on those two twats and busybody.

 

[blobfish]

This is a great collection of quotes! It won't be long before the statists come in and point out that the men quoted owned slaves, as if that's relevant.

 

[bra_man69]

They are busy in the other threads rationalizing their "SEE SEE GUNS=VIOLENCE!!" argument's.....the Sean butt brothers are all over this shit.

GUNS = VIOLENCE or YOU'RE FUCKING RETARDED
RETARD
SUPID
FUCK YOU

The typical fair for arguments made out of irrational fear over something they CAN'T stop.

I have never used IGGY in my 5 years on lit.....except for today on those two twats and busybody.

Take the guns away ok fine but someone that's nuts well find other things.

 

[Peregrinator]

They are busy in the other threads rationalizing their "SEE SEE GUNS=VIOLENCE!!" argument's.....the Sean butt brothers are all over this shit.

GUNS = VIOLENCE or YOU'RE FUCKING RETARDED
RETARD
SUPID
FUCK YOU

The typical fair for arguments made out of irrational fear over something they CAN'T stop.

I have never used IGGY in my 5 years on lit.....except for today on those two twats and busybody.

If you iggied SeanH and Sean Renaud, you made a mistake.

 

[bra_man69]

This is a great collection of quotes! It won't be long before the statists come in and point out that the men quoted owned slaves, as if that's relevant.

http://www.ninehundred.net/~equalccw/s_racist.jpg

 

[Wrong Element]

Excellent thread, eyer. That OP is a powerful piece of argumentation. Well done.


And no, I'm not being sarcastic.

Only problem--well, not the only problem; it's an eyer thread, after all--is that socialism and gun control don't really have anything to do with each other. Socialism has become a catch-all term for anything a GB wingnut doesn't like.

("18th century criminologist" sounds questionable too; criminology as a discipline was in its infancy as late as 1900. I'd wager several of those quotes are in a similar apocryphal vein.)

 

[KingOrfeo]

You are an idiot if you think your personal firearms have political value of any kind. You can use them to shoot a home-invader. You can use them to shoot a deer. But if you try to use them to shoot a police officer, or an ATF or FBI agent, or a U.S. soldier or National Guardsman, you will deserve everything you get, including death.

 

[Very_Bad_Man]

Eyer can you break that shit down to like 3 or 4 sentences?

 

[eyer]

Only problem...is that socialism and gun control don't really have anything to do with each other.

What an absolutely ridiculous statement...

...but no surprise at all from a disingenuous statist such as yourself.

 

[eyer]

You are an idiot if you think your personal firearms have political value of any kind.

And you're an admitted socialist and traitor to the Constitution...

...thus, I'm sure there's a barrel somewhere just waiting for you to suck.

The political value of that lone action would = -1 socialist...

...if you were any kind of walker rather than just a talker, you'd be happy to face that formula and find out if those cojones you like to tickle so much actually even apply to anything else.

Who're you going to vote for again?

Oh yeah...

...not a coincidence, I'm sure.

 

[bra_man69]

You are an idiot if you think your personal firearms have political value of any kind. You can use them to shoot a home-invader. You can use them to shoot a deer. But if you try to use them to shoot a police officer, or an ATF or FBI agent, or a U.S. soldier or National Guardsman, you will deserve everything you get, including death.

Them alphabet boys never do anything wrong ask the people at ruby ridge.

 

[BotanyBoy]

If you iggied SeanH and Sean Renaud, you made a mistake.

Why? Renaud talks shit from the safety of his iggy bunker. I can't talk to either of them to discuss anything outside their point of view without 15 gov/NASA/university studies to back up my theories, thoughts or views. Shit even items that fall in line with their point of view they will haggle with me about them. And anything that does not support what they are saying from NASA or otherwise is nothing but spin, lies, bullshit and of no value.

SeanH might come off, but that's only be cause I love watching him tear MENSA, Miles, Vette and Ish new ones.

What is the point?

You are an idiot if you think your personal firearms have political value of any kind. You can use them to shoot a home-invader. You can use them to shoot a deer. But if you try to use them to shoot a police officer, or an ATF or FBI agent, or a U.S. soldier or National Guardsman, you will deserve everything you get, including death.

As long as the gov follows the law so will I, LEO's with a warrant will not encounter ANY resistance or catch any shit from me or the others in my house.

However if they send FEMA or DHS in here to rifle though my shit and try to strip me of my rights by tossing due process out the window and they are going to be in a world of shit, lots of people will die and they will have to put a missile through my front door or GTFO to end it.

 

[coachdb18]

Them alphabet boys never do anything wrong ask the people at ruby ridge.

A successful 'negotiation' with ATF at Waco, TX

http://www.crimeandinvestigation.co.uk/this-day-in-history/February/28/about/mainPhoto/Waco-(640x360).jpg

 

[blobfish]

Why? Renaud talks shit from the safety of his iggy bunker. I can't talk to either of them to discuss anything outside their point of view without 15 gov/NASA/university studies to back up my theories, thoughts or views. Shit even items that fall in line with their point of view they will haggle with me about them. And anything that does not support what they are saying from NASA or otherwise is nothing but spin, lies, bullshit and of no value.

SeanH might come off, but that's only be cause I love watching him tear MENSA, Miles, Vette and Ish new ones.

What is the point?




As long as the gov follows the law so will I, LEO's with a warrant will not encounter ANY resistance or catch any shit from me or the others in my house.

However if they send FEMA or DHS in here to rifle though my shit and try to strip me of my rights by tossing due process out the window and they are going to be in a world of shit, lots of people will die and they will have to put a missile through my front door or GTFO to end it.

Fuck yeah!

 

[eyer]

Just posting this local news station video to tweak the socialists' panties a tad more...

Woman Pulls Gun To Prevent Smart Meter Installation

http://www.infowars.com/woman-pulls-gun-to-prevent-smart-meter-installation/

 

[blobfish]

I would not be adverse to taking up arms against a government that becomes too totalitarian.

 

[Mike_Yates]

The government does not want it's citizenry to be armed so they can more easily transform our country into an oppressive military dictatorship.