The 2nd Amendment...

[BotanyBoy]

I would not be adverse to taking up arms against a government that becomes too totalitarian.

Problem is finding enough people to do so. Couple thousand and they will stuff you and call it a riot and label you a nutter, terrorist, extremist. Few million? They will be left with no choice but to submit or slaughter their own people in the 7-9 digit scale...basically they would be fucked.

Problem...how do you organize millions without DHS putting a "Terrorist" label on you, snatching you up and sending your ass to GITMO? How do you get a few million folks to spread the word while keeping their mouth shut enough long enough to not get the alphabet boys breathing down their neck?

Tricky tricky considering they can monitor practically everything you do, phone, computer, car, on tape everywhere you go.

 

[RjThoughts]

Why? Renaud talks shit from the safety of his iggy bunker. I can't talk to either of them to discuss anything outside their point of view without 15 gov/NASA/university studies to back up my theories, thoughts or views. Shit even items that fall in line with their point of view they will haggle with me about them. And anything that does not support what they are saying from NASA or otherwise is nothing but spin, lies, bullshit and of no value.

SeanH might come off, but that's only be cause I love watching him tear MENSA, Miles, Vette and Ish new ones.

What is the point?




As long as the gov follows the law so will I, LEO's with a warrant will not encounter ANY resistance or catch any shit from me or the others in my house.

However if they send FEMA or DHS in here to rifle though my shit and try to strip me of my rights by tossing due process out the window and they are going to be in a world of shit, lots of people will die and they will have to put a missile through my front door or GTFO to end it.

FEMA? Taking away guns? Did I miss something?

 

[blobfish]

Problem is finding enough people to do so. Couple thousand and they will stuff you and call it a riot and label you a nutter, terrorist, extremist. Few million? They will be left with no choice but to submit or slaughter their own people in the 7-9 digit scale...basically they would be fucked.

Problem...how do you organize millions without DHS putting "Terrorist" label on you, snatching you up and sending your ass to GITMO? How do you get a few million folks to spread the word while keeping their mouth shut enough long enough to not get the alphabet boys breathing down their neck?

Tricky tricky considering they can monitor practically everything you do, phone, computer, car, on tape everywhere you go.

Well, once the conditions got bad enough, there would be plenty of other revolutionaries. The way to avoid the fascist eye in the sky is to look to the Cubans. They overthrew a powerful government with powerful backers, but they had the masses behind them.

 

[bra_man69]

Problem is finding enough people to do so. Couple thousand and they will stuff you and call it a riot and label you a nutter, terrorist, extremist. Few million? They will be left with no choice but to submit or slaughter their own people in the 7-9 digit scale...basically they would be fucked.

Problem...how do you organize millions without DHS putting a "Terrorist" label on you, snatching you up and sending your ass to GITMO? How do you get a few million folks to spread the word while keeping their mouth shut enough long enough to not get the alphabet boys breathing down their neck?

Tricky tricky considering they can monitor practically everything you do, phone, computer, car, on tape everywhere you go.

Wait around few years and you shall see
Who's john galt
Asymmetric warfare

 

[BotanyBoy]

FEMA? Taking away guns? Did I miss something?

Yea you did...they even hired private contractors (mercenaries) to do so in New Orleans. They had the military do a full on "practice" in St.Louis not too long ago where they invaded peoples homes and took their shit never to return it again, in the name of training.

But once again a few hundred people saying "this is fucked up and wrong" has little to offer to the MSN/CNN/FOX enslaved masses. All the news has to do is deny and call them extremist and so it is in the public eye.

I have seen and participated in martial law training exercises....I know they are very capable of doing such a thing, even for "training" purposes. You ever wonder why SO MANY military personnel become libertarian/independent and anti government after they get out? Because they fucking know....and it scares the shit out of them. Even the ones that go left have a very anti government intrusion sentiment in some form of fashion.

"What if that training I did before I got out get's used? Why would they need a live run in martial law training on the citizenry they are sworn to protect??? Holy shit they are prepared and very likely willing to do it, who the fuck is watching these DHS/FEMA fuckers? Why do they hire mercenaries to invade citizens homes??? If it can happen in New Orleans it can happen here."

Well, once the conditions got bad enough, there would be plenty of other revolutionaries. The way to avoid the fascist eye in the sky is to look to the Cubans. They overthrew a powerful government with powerful backers, but they had the masses behind them.

Rule # 1 of overthrowing a government, heart's and minds. If you don't get a high enough % of the population ready to do or die your revolution is doomed.

As much as I wish better for our nation it's not happening if we keep the status quo. We need to FIRE capital hill...all they give two fucks about is lining their own pockets and the pockets of their campaign contributors. If you don't think so then why do we pay so much and get so little? How the fuck did ROMNEY end up as the GOP candidate? No one likes that mother fucker, even Vette hates him despite his GOP loyalty. *SNIFF* smells like bullshit hua? The money goes somewhere and it sure as fuck ain't the HC, education, military or infrastructure. 350-500k per classroom per year across america and mother fuckers can't get basic school supplies? HA....we are getting ripped the FUCK off and every day they want more.

We need to get some thinkers up there to do some serious reform/restructuring with the best interest of the general population/economy in mind or we are fucked and will continue to be financial slaves.

Wait around few years and you shall see
Who's john galt
Asymmetric warfare

I know a few ASW operators.....some scarry bad ass dudes right there. First time I ever saw a full bird rocking civilians and the most high speed gear you can imagine was an ASW operator, I thought they were CIA/NSA at first. Cool dudes...very cool...not to be fucked with but cool.

 

[RjThoughts]

Yea you did...they even hired private contractors (mercenaries) to do so in New Orleans. They had the military do a full on "practice" in St.Louis not too long ago where they invaded peoples homes and took their shit never to return it again, in the name of training.

But once again a few hundred people saying "this is fucked up and wrong" has little to offer to the MSN/CNN/FOX enslaved masses. All the news has to do is deny and call them extremist and so it is in the public eye.

I have seen and participated in martial law training exercises....I know they are very capable of doing such a thing, even for "training" purposes. You ever wonder why SO MANY military personnel become libertarian/independent and anti government after they get out? Because they fucking know....and it scares the shit out of them. Even the ones that go left have a very anti government intrusion sentiment in some form of fashion.

"What if that training I did before I got out get's used? Why would they need a live run in martial law training on the citizenry they are sworn to protect??? Holy shit they are prepared and very likely willing to do it, who the fuck is watching these DHS/FEMA fuckers? Why do they hire mercenaries to invade citizens homes??? If it can happen in New Orleans it can happen here."





Rule # 1 of overthrowing a government, heart's and minds. If you don't get a high enough % of the population ready to do or die your revolution is doomed.

As much as I wish better for our nation it's not happening if we keep the status quo. We need to FIRE capital hill...all they give two fucks about is lining their own pockets and the pockets of their campaign contributors. If you don't think so then why do we pay so much and get so little? How the fuck did ROMNEY end up as the GOP candidate? No one likes that mother fucker, even Vette hates him despite his GOP loyalty. *SNIFF* smells like bullshit hua? The money goes somewhere and it sure as fuck ain't the HC, education, military or infrastructure. 350-500k per classroom per year across america and mother fuckers can't get basic school supplies? HA....we are getting ripped the FUCK off and every day they want more.

We need to get some thinkers up there to do some serious reform/restructuring with the best interest of the general population/economy in mind or we are fucked and will continue to be financial slaves.



I know a few ASW operators.....some scarry bad ass dudes right there. First time I ever saw a full bird rocking civilians and the most high speed gear you can imagine was an ASW operator, I thought they were CIA/NSA at first. Cool dudes...very cool...not to be fucked with but cool.

Put DOWN the hippie lettuce and come back to reality, whether it's the conservative view or the liberal view. FEMA does not, nor will they EVER have, the power to convescate guns! Is this the same FEMA that's been setting up re-education camps for Obama? The same FEMA that set up the U.N. camps somewhere in the Ozarks after Hurricane Katrina?

 

[Comshaw]

Yea you did...they even hired private contractors (mercenaries) to do so in New Orleans. They had the military do a full on "practice" in St.Louis not too long ago where they invaded peoples homes and took their shit never to return it again, in the name of training. (snip)

You either need to come up with documented proof, or I'm calling bullshit on this one.


Comshaw

 

[JustSkye]

You either need to come up with documented proof, or I'm calling bullshit on this one.


Comshaw

this was all I found

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIqCtzAuQq0

http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=242025

 

[blobfish]

Put DOWN the hippie lettuce and come back to reality, whether it's the conservative view or the liberal view. FEMA does not, nor will they EVER have, the power to convescate guns! Is this the same FEMA that's been setting up re-education camps for Obama? The same FEMA that set up the U.N. camps somewhere in the Ozarks after Hurricane Katrina?

The government can do whatever they want, whether it's legal or not. If you try to sue the fuckers, they'll entangle you in a war of attrition, ala Charlie Wilson, but with lawyers and court costs.

 

[blobfish]

Put DOWN the hippie lettuce and come back to reality, whether it's the conservative view or the liberal view. FEMA does not, nor will they EVER have, the power to convescate guns! Is this the same FEMA that's been setting up re-education camps for Obama? The same FEMA that set up the U.N. camps somewhere in the Ozarks after Hurricane Katrina?

And by the way, "hippie lettuce"? WTF? If the guy enjoyed drinking, would you delegitimize his opinion so wantonly?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Put DOWN the hippie lettuce and come back to reality, whether it's the conservative view or the liberal view. FEMA does not, nor will they EVER have, the power to convescate guns! Is this the same FEMA that's been setting up re-education camps for Obama? The same FEMA that set up the U.N. camps somewhere in the Ozarks after Hurricane Katrina?

Here is reality on tape.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf8trl69kzo

Door to door gun confiscation New Orleans.^^

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rT-OWzaKuF8&feature=related

St.Louis military training....^^ why???WHY are they doing military TRAINING in urban america? To teach tankers how to drive on streets?...BULLSHIT!!! They have entire god damn bases built just for that. I know the military and they don't do stuff like that "just because" or "to teach drivers" or any other lame bullshit excuse.

I didn't say anything about any of this bull shit.

"Is this the same FEMA that's been setting up re-education camps for Obama? The same FEMA that set up the U.N. camps somewhere in the Ozarks after Hurricane Katrina?"

Should I go dig up some blackwater tapes of mercenaries rolling around New Orleans too? I don't care if they call it FEMA or "training" ....the gov has stepped WAY the fuck out of bounds with this "security" bull shit.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Well, once the conditions got bad enough, there would be plenty of other revolutionaries. The way to avoid the fascist eye in the sky is to look to the Cubans. They overthrew a powerful government with powerful backers, but they had the masses behind them.

Once upon a time, we had damn near half of this entire country doing their level best to kick the ass of the other half of the country.

It was called the Civil War. It didn't work for shit.

But the men, material, arms and carnage on either side of that conflict makes your weekend campground militia "training" look every bit the suicide pact it will likely be as soon as you and the boys try to shoot at somebody really important.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You either need to come up with documented proof, or I'm calling bullshit on this one.


Comshaw

The only proof is the word of citizens who have called into news/radio stations.

this was all I found

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIqCtzAuQq0

http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=242025

Shit load of Youtube videos on the matter. But once again a lot of it get's dismissed b/c it isn't NBC/ABC/CNN/FOX/BBC....regular citizens words mean nothing to to public, it must come through the idiot box for the general public to accept it.

And by the way, "hippie lettuce"? WTF? If the guy enjoyed drinking, would you delegitimize his opinion so wantonly?

Hell no....alcoholic's are far more cognizant!!! didn't you know? Pot is the most dangerous mind bending drug on earth, gov sayz so!! schedule 1 drug, and we all know the gov would NEVER lie to the people

 

[blobfish]

Once upon a time, we had damn near half of this entire country doing their level best to kick the ass of the other half of the country.

It was called the Civil War. It didn't work for shit.

But the men, material, arms and carnage on either side of that conflict makes your weekend campground militia "training" look every bit the suicide pact it will likely be as soon as you and the boys try to shoot at somebody really important.

Nah, the government is ok right now. It's far from perfect, but it's not at an armed uprising level. We'd have to get to at least Soviet-style oppression to justify that.

 

[blobfish]

Hell no....alcoholic's are far more cognizant!!! didn't you know? Pot is the most dangerous mind bending drug on earth, gov sayz so!! schedule 1 drug, and we all know the gov would NEVER lie to the people

Yeah, it's more dangerous than that obscure level two substance known as "cocaine".

 

[bra_man69]

Once upon a time, we had damn near half of this entire country doing their level best to kick the ass of the other half of the country.

It was called the Civil War. It didn't work for shit.

But the men, material, arms and carnage on either side of that conflict makes your weekend campground militia "training" look every bit the suicide pact it will likely be as soon as you and the boys try to shoot at somebody really important.

You don't think that time isn't coming again
Look around the gap between rich and poor people is growing faster then ever on the backs of the middle class.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Nah, the government is ok right now. It's far from perfect, but it's not at an armed uprising level. We'd have to get to at least Soviet-style oppression to justify that.

Just sayin' I'm always amazed at the size of the gap between some folks' revolutionary fervor and the amount of resources they don't seem to realize would be required to translate their dreams into reality.

 

[blobfish]

Just sayin' I'm always amazed at the size of the gap between some folks' revolutionary fervor and the amount of resources they don't seem to realize would be required to translate their dreams into reality.

I have my fantasies, but I understand that any sort of uprising against the most powerful nation on earth (for now) would be almost impossible, and far too costly in lives to even be worth it at this point. We're still relatively free.

 

[bra_man69]

I have my fantasies, but I understand that any sort of uprising against the most powerful nation on earth (for now) would be almost impossible, and far too costly in lives to even be worth it at this point. We're still relatively free.

Ask the king of England if it's impossible.

 

[coachdb18]

Just sayin' I'm always amazed at the size of the gap between some folks' revolutionary fervor and the amount of resources they don't seem to realize would be required to translate their dreams into reality.

The government is now counting on the military to be ready to fire on its own citizens. If it gets to the point where the military realizes the lessons of My Lai, and says fuck this, letting the government fall is within the realm of possibility. You can only take a country and its military support so far before it becomes the force of reform.

 

[blobfish]

Ask the king of England if it's impossible.

A foreign colonial power that is engaged in a series of devastating Napoleonic Wars at their back door is a little different than a strong, centralized power whose very existence depends on your failure to topple them.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Ask the king of England if it's impossible.

The current ruling monarch of the United Kingdom is the queen. Apparently you didn't get the memo.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You don't think that time isn't coming again
Look around the gap between rich and poor people is growing faster then ever on the backs of the middle class.

There is simply not enough public support....you need at a minimum 5% of the population behind you IF the rest are indifferent. 16 million people rise up and you are going to have a HARD time getting the military to fire on their friends and family on that scale. They will turn and tell senator fuck face the party is over...

You get 10% and it's a sealed deal IF the rest stay indifferent.

Here is the problem...they won't stay indifferent, people like Sean, Rob, LJ, California etc will rise against the opposition in favor of totalitarian government no matter how fucking bad/crazy it gets...they can't wait to live under a soviet iron fist and have wet dreams about an Orwellian future.

http://www.equilibriumfans.com/Equilibrium-LobbyCards-PL02.jpg
^^ left wing porn.

So you wind up with a civil war not a revolution.

Bottom line you need the overwhelming majority of the population to either support or not care either way and stay the fuck out of it. Americans are passionate, wont happen unless shit gets absurdly ugly and the gov is blatantly at fault.

 

[bra_man69]

The current ruling monarch of the United Kingdom is the queen. Apparently you didn't get the memo.

Right
Saying ask the king some 200 years ago when he couldn't understand people didn't like his tea.
Bet people said then to why it's impossible to kick England ass.

 

[Comshaw]

The only proof is the word of citizens who have called into news/radio stations.



Shit load of Youtube videos on the matter. But once again a lot of it get's dismissed b/c it isn't NBC/ABC/CNN/FOX/BBC....regular citizens words mean nothing to to public, it must come through the idiot box for the general public to accept it.



Hell no....alcoholic's are far more cognizant!!! didn't you know? Pot is the most dangerous mind bending drug on earth, gov sayz so!! schedule 1 drug, and we all know the gov would NEVER lie to the people

It gets dismissed because those complaining are a bunch of conspiracy whackos who have zero credibility. You may think you know the military, but so do I. I've been part of exercises just like that. Reserve (which is what this one is about) and National Guard units regularly do things like driver training. Hell we did a lot of training with equipment such as that all over Seattle in the early 80's. It was fun. And that's all it was training.

The claims are bullshit, plain and simple.


Comshaw