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Thatcher is dead.
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She had a massive ferret cull.
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The LibDem party was created in 1988 in an attempt to break up the two party system that has dominated our politics for a long time. The Liberal party, which had its roots in Classical liberalism and was well used to power in the past, has been a political irrelevancy for as long as I can remember.
The Social Democrats were formed in 81 by Labour party defectors in response to what they thought was too much radicalism in the party. It's also possible that they were trying to ride on the coat-tails of the shift to the right that brought Thatcher to power.
In 88 the two parties merged and became the LibDems, or liberal democrats.
Their place is between the Labour party and the Conservatives, i.e. right of Labour and left of the Tories.
Up until the last election, they haven't had a great impact on national politics, partly because the "first past the post system" works firmly against any third party, but also because they haven't really had enough spunk to make an impact.
The only LibDem leader I've had any respect for was Charles Kennedy, but he was dumped when it became public knowledge that he had and alcohol problem.
In my opinion, one of the main reasons the LibDems got as many votes as they did in the last election was because a huge number of Labour supporters could not bring themselves to vote for the party that had mindlessly followed Bush into war, but naturally couldn't bring themselves to vote Tory either.
Well, they (and all of us) paid the price for that when Nick Clegg, a smarmy bastard in the Tony Blair mould, controversially but not unexpectedly gave his support to the Tories.
And as an aside, it's ironic that the LibDems - who had it in their election manifesto in 1992 that they would increase the basic tax rate by a penny in the £, with that penny earmarked for the exclusive use of the dept of education - is now part of the government responsible for increasing tuition fees.
Such class from the pinko socialists. I was hoping they would surprise me and be gracious, but unfortunately, they haven't.
And its the right who are viewed as "mean spirited" and "insulting," etc?
Mrs. Thatcher had more balls than 1,000 of you socialist little boys.
I'd normally feel very uncomfortable criticising someone who's just died, but Thatcher was not gracious, neither as a person nor as a politician.
She was divisive, destructive and vindictive to the point that the venom directed at her is both deserved and totally to be expected. This country is still suffering from her policies to this day.
And let's face it - those with vested interests in what she created during her time in Downing St will not hesitate in trying to rewrite the morality of her legacy - so all of us who found her policies spiteful, cruel and plain wrong have an obligation to say so.
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ok... so we're only talking about politicians until you decide we're talking about the civil service...
you're funny!
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Quite, and penguins are five feet tall and pink!Exactly, and a Socialist is a Communist in a white shirt.
Am I doing it right?
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I don't condone domestic violence in any way, shape or form but I think Denis was a saint for not throttling her on a daily basis
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The difference between a Liberal and a Communist is a Liberal denies who he is.
The difference between the RWCJ and a group of rabid, howling hyenas is...nothing.
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A group of rabid, howling hyenas are way more intimidating.The difference between the RWCJ and a group of rabid, howling hyenas is...nothing.
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I loved the movie that Meryl Streep made of her life. She was a truly fascinating woman.
Well, the Cold War is over; the GWOT is pretty much won; we're out of one of the two wars the last Pub POTUS got us into and slowly easing out of the other; same-sex marriage is on its way to national legalization, and pot has been legalized in three states; and we've got at least some real half-assed first-step effort at universal health care. Yeah, the U.S. is much better off now than it was in 1989.
Still?!
Hm. Sounds like that leaves a great gaping space to the left of Labour that any enterprising party might exploit -- only, how big is that space? How many UK voters really want something to the left of the center where all three major parties are now clustering?
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What most UK voters want is very simple - the opportunity to earn a reasonable living with some level of job security, reasonably priced goods and services, the knowledge that their taxes are being used wisely and for the benefit of all, educational opportunities for those who merit it, and healthcare for those who need it.
Unfortunately, the last 20 years have shown that NONE of our political parties can be trusted - their manifestos are discarded as they walk through the door of power following election and the spineless behaviour of the LibDems, who were the last hope, shattered what few illusions the UK public had left regarding the integrity of any politician. So any discussion of right, left, left of right, left of left, in the middle, upside down is mostly irrelevant these days...
Billy Connolly was right.
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Unless you were an adult in 1979, you will never comprehend just how bad things had gotten in Britain.
Nothing worked. Nothing.
The automobiles fell apart. The miners struck every other week. When trains ran, they were never on time; they fell off the rails. Everybody was on strike every other week. Nobody worked at anything. Nobody in the right mind would buy anything made in Britain.
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Those who voted for Mrs Thatcher knew exactly what they would get from her. She did what she said she would do especially if it was very unpopular.
Since her? I can't think of a single politician who has been so direct about what they would do if in power.
The LibDems manifesto was written promising things they knew they couldn't deliver because they had no hope of becoming the party in sole power. They can, and do, blame their partners the Conservatives for preventing the LibDem manifesto policies being implemented - but they never expected to be able to implement them anyway.
If the LibDems actually produce promises that are realistic and achievable they might eventually be electable. At this stage in the life of the coalition government, neither the LibDems nor Labour are producing costed proposals as alternatives to current policies. They would be reckless to do that, but sooner or later they have to put up or shut up.
If someone like Mrs Thatcher in her prime were to be running the present LibDems or Labour, the coalition government would be forced into an election within a week. But there aren't any current politicians with her drive, her passion and disregard for popularity. They promise but don't deliver.
In the words of a current UK DIY advert, Mrs Thatcher 'does what it says on the tin'. Hate her or love her, you knew what you were getting when she was elected.
By all accounts I've read on the Intertubes, Britain's post-Thatcher privatized rail is much worse.
Why? What did he say?
Yes, well, "communist" is one up from "fascist," isn't it. Mentioning no names . . .
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Well, we won't do any better by drafting pols, will we?
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