Tai Chi

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So, who does it?

There are 5 major styles (Chen, Yang, Wu/Hao, Wu, and Sun) as well as long and short programs depending on whether you're a beginner or experienced (or masochistic). They say Chen and Yang are the most popular styles because these are the styles that are easiest and taught most often.

You can find videos on You Tube that will show you the different forms (the individual moves/poses) so you can learn if you're interested.

Most communities have a class being taught somewhere too but for some reason the instructors require that you already know the forms before they "teach" them to you. This is puzzling on the one hand, but not always the case. If you're going to take a class read the literature to be sure what the instructor requires. Be prepared to be watched by an audience if the class is outside. Sometimes they applaud at the end. It's really neat.

You can do Tai Chi anywhere at any time by yourself. People will come up to watch and talk to you when you're done.


If you want to learn on your own, Ian Sinclair has a full series of the forms on You Tube.

You Tube linky for beginning to learn about Tai Chi and what it's purpose is

Lesson # 2 - First Form (Commencing Form)

You can go on from there with the next video for each form until you've learned all 24. I found that Sinclair is easy to follow and understand as he demonstrates each form over and over again (sometimes too much). Some of the other instructors aren't as easy to follow. You should watch other videos though because they have different techniques and show different aspects of the Forms and how to hold/position your hands.

The best method for learning is to start with the commencing form and add a new form each week until you know all 24 (or 42) and can do them all in order from the Commencing Form to the Closing Form. You can do Tai Chi every day - the simplified 8 Forms version only takes 10 minutes.

Tai Chi is not easy. It looks easy, but it isn't. Try the Commencing Form for yourself and see what such a simple move takes in the way of strength and balance. It gets more involved from there because you have to relax AND keep yourself mentally awake enough to keep thinking about what you're doing. The fun trick is to learn to make it look easy while busting your butt and working at it.

For those who are young enough and want more aggressive learning and exercise, there are the weapons katas too.


Standard disclaimer applies.
 
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Second form: Part the wild horse's mane. We do this form 3 times, to the left, the right and to the left again.

Part the wild horses mane - right.

https://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/tai-chi-gif-5.gif

Notice how she rocked back and then pivoted her front foot left? And did you see the pause in the middle? And at the end where she starts to rock back again to do the move to the left?

All the footwork, pointy toes, hand and wrist positioning as well as the arm movements are all part of it because it teaches balance as well as helping your memory while making you move through the form.
 
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Thanks. My mum did Tai Chi for years. She loved it. I love watching the people in Chinatown get up early and do Tai Chi en masse, absolutely beautiful with the morning sun cutting through the mist and dew drops sparkling, it's like some ritualized dance to honour nature's inherent Taoism.
I do yoga and was considering doing some Tai Chi to improve my balance. I've got the flexibility but not the long term stability. I'm going to check out the videos.
 
Thanks. My mum did Tai Chi for years. She loved it. I love watching the people in Chinatown get up early and do Tai Chi en masse, absolutely beautiful with the morning sun cutting through the mist and dew drops sparkling, it's like some ritualized dance to honour nature's inherent Taoism.
I do yoga and was considering doing some Tai Chi to improve my balance. I've got the flexibility but not the long term stability. I'm going to check out the videos.

Something most people don't realize, I didn't until I noticed the effect, is that Tai Chi actually makes you feel happier mentally. Even going through just a few forms will do it.

I have no idea why, but it does this for most people. Even those who practice alone instead of with a group. It may have something to do with the synergy of exercising as well as using your entire body to accomplish something that can be seen objectively by any observer. Something not always possible with running or lifting weights or even cycling.

Practicing with a group can give you that same emotional feeling that people often get from going to church but the emotional uplift is there even if you practice alone.
 
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You know, I got a training dvd back in the day but got sidetracked and never followed through.

Maybe something to revisit.
 
Something most people don't realize, I didn't until I noticed the effect, is that Tai Chi actually makes you feel happier mentally. Even going through just a few forms will do it.

I have no idea why, but it does this for most people. Even those who practice alone instead of with a group. It may have something to do with the synergy of exercising as well as using your entire body to accomplish something that can be seen objectively by any observer. Something not always possible with running or lifting weights or even cycling.

Practicing with a group can give you that same emotional feeling that people often get from going to church but the emotional uplift is there even if you practice alone.

I don't know tai chi, but I do know the answer to your query. Rhythm.

I don't know the finer points of the medicine and science behind it but human beings are programmable by rhythms. It can reset heart arrhythmia (which makes intuitive sense) and affects all those regulatory systems involved in things like immune system function, hormone production and delivery and other things I can't recall at the moment.

Slow, rhythmic breathing is key. Until I thought about it just now I didn't realize that that's more or less what I do when I induce sleep I can be asleep in 2 minutes.

I haven't looked at the videos yet but I intend to and I'm assuming the lot of it has something to do with breathing but it doesn't have to be breathing even actual movements can have a reset a fact.

Sort of unrelated but a parallel reset is warm water. That's why we feel good from a hot tub or a shower or whatever. Something about tickling the body's thermostat resets a lot of other things.
 
Second form: Part the wild horse's mane. We do this form 3 times, to the left, the right and to the left again.

Part the wild horses mane - right.

https://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/tai-chi-gif-5.gif

Notice how she rocked back and then pivoted her front foot left? And did you see the pause in the middle? And at the end where she starts to rock back again to do the move to the left?

All the footwork, pointy toes, hand and wrist positioning as well as the arm movements are all part of it because it teaches balance as well as helping your memory while making you move through the form.

Growing up there was a wide strip of grass on the other side of a block wall from the Side by Side Elementary and junior high schools. Too long and narrow to be particularly useful as a park but people did sometimes run on that or walk their dogs or what not but for the most part it was just as empty expanse. There was this elderly diminutive Asian man who was dressed in loose clothing who would go out and do tai chi every morning at the same time it was very intricate, obviously we'll practice and I didn't understand it and I didn't know the name was Tai Chi at the time but it was clearly a set routine.

I have no idea about the names of the movements with some of these movements involved sort of squatting low on one leg while simultaneously stretching and there's no question at a glance just looking at that, but it was some if not gravity dividing stuff would require superhuman strength or at least a really high power to weight ratio to accomplish. Probably helped him being as diminutive as he was.

I hadn't thought about it in years until in the 90s when Roadhouse came out and Swayze is doing some sort of routine I don't know if they identify it is Tai Chi and I don't even know that Swayze is doing tai chi in that film but it reminded me at the time of the little Asian man.

Because I sit too much I've been doing these low slow lunges and something called a Spider-Man pose when I have some time to kind of stretch out my hip flexor muscles and it has been helping quite a bit. I'm doing the low lunges I'm aware that it looks kind of silly and I was just thinking the other day when I was doing them that it reminded me of what I think is Tai Chi from that movie.

I need to start doing some strength training but I definitely need some flexibility. I'm resistant to actual yoga classes or from what I've looked at pilates would probably be better for what I actually need for some core strength that I need to work on because of how much I find myself sitting. This looks doable and in that vein.

Maybe hashtag can find me a hot Asian girlfriend to help me out with that. She seems convinced that I have an Asian fixation and I'm not at all opposed so that might dovetail nicely.
 
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Growing up there was a wide strip of grass on the other side of a block wall from the Side by Side Elementary and junior high schools. Too long and narrow to be particularly useful as a park but people did sometimes run on that or walk their dogs or what not but for the most part it was just as empty expanse. There was this elderly diminutive Asian man who was dressed in loose clothing who would go out and do tai chi every morning at the same time it was very intricate, obviously we'll practice and I didn't understand it and I didn't know the name was Tai Chi at the time but it was clearly a set routine.

I have no idea about the names of the movements with some of these movements involved sort of squatting low on one leg while simultaneously stretching and there's no question at a glance just looking at that, but it was some if not gravity dividing stuff would require superhuman strength or at least a really high power to weight ratio to accomplish. Probably helped him being as diminutive as he was.

I hadn't thought about it in years until in the 90s when Roadhouse came out and Swayze is doing some sort of routine I don't know if they identify it is Tai Chi and I don't even know that Swayze is doing tai chi in that film but it reminded me at the time of the little Asian man.

Because I sit too much I've been doing these low slow lunges and something called a Spider-Man pose when I have some time to kind of stretch out my hip flexor muscles and it has been helping quite a bit. I'm doing the low lunges I'm aware that it looks kind of silly and I was just thinking the other day when I was doing them that it reminded me of what I think is Tai Chi from that movie.

I need to start doing some strength training but I definitely need some flexibility. I'm resistant to actual yoga classes or from what I've looked at pilates would probably be better for what I actually need for some core strength that I need to work on because of how much I find myself sitting. This looks doable and in that vein.

Maybe hashtag can find me a hot Asian girlfriend to help me out with that. She seems convinced that I have an Asian fixation and I'm not at all opposed so that might dovetail nicely.

Tai Chi is a routine that goes from the commencing form to the closing form. Each of the forms are performed in the same order, depending on which routine you're using. The 8 form short form is different than the 24 form standard form which is different form the 42 form which is different from the other forms that can number over 100. But, no matter which routine you're using, the forms are always the same and in the same order. The only difference is sometimes the different variations can change the body positions to exaggerate or attenuate them.

It's cool because you can slip into sequence in the form at any point once you know all the forms and which routine is being used.

In one video (I think it's lesson 6 or 7) Sinclair mentions that the weight is on his right leg and his thigh is "really cooking". If you want a whole body workout, this will give it to you without weights or the need for cross training. If you put some intensity and focus into it, you will sweat and your heart rate will go up some just from the exertion level required.

Like I said, the 8 form short routine takes 10 minutes so no one is too "busy". Nor is anyone "too fat" or "out of shape" to start and actually accomplish the forms right from the beginning. Though everyone should be aware of their own limitations and reduce/restrict the effort they're using to avoid hurting themselves. Yes, you CAN hurt yourself doing this if you try something like over-twisting when you have a bad back or lunging when you have bad knees. The good news is that if you keep it within your personal limitations, you will get more flexible and stronger and you can actually do more. Which is good for you.

BTW, if you start learning the forms, you'll accomplish the same thing you're getting from your low lunges but won't have the feeling of being embarrassed if someone sees you in the middle of a form. Ignore them and keep on with the form and they'll see for themselves that you're doing a workout rather than looking like you're trying to split your pants or find your dropped pencil. Or relive your high school football years. :)

I want to add that in the beginning, learn the commencing form and part the wild horses mane. Go through them together fully once. Then stand up and reset yourself and go through them again. And again. There is no rule that you can't do the parts you know multiple times in one session. It sets the moves more solidly in your head and the repetitiveness gives you more physical activity than just doing the commencing form then the second form and quitting will.

If you're like most people, you'll notice that your hips or iliotibial band might have a low level complaint the next day. Which tells you that you did a workout. Rest and recover then repeat until you aren't sore the next day. Then add the next form to the routine.
 
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Wow. Great thread.
*Signed up.*

What it needs - a few more gyfs like the first one, or links to youtube basic training lessons.
 
Wow. Great thread.
*Signed up.*

What it needs - a few more gyfs like the first one, or links to youtube basic training lessons.


From the OP:

You can find videos on You Tube that will show you the different forms (the individual moves/poses) so you can learn if you're interested.

If you want to learn on your own, Ian Sinclair has a full series of the forms on You Tube.

You Tube linky for beginning to learn about Tai Chi and what it's purpose is

Lesson # 2 - First Form (Commencing Form)

You can go on from there with the next video for each form until you've learned all 24. I found that Sinclair is easy to follow and understand as he demonstrates each form over and over again (sometimes too much).

I think there's 27 videos total if you include the first lesson. I bookmarked each of them in their own folder so I can click the bookmark and watch any specific video any time I want.

Start at the beginning video (lesson #1) and bookmark it (Ctrl D). Follow the link on you tube to the next lesson (top one on the right side of the screen is the next video in the series), stop it before it plays, and bookmark that one too. Repeat until you have all of them bookmarked. You can either bookmark them into your bookmarks folder then drag/drop them into their own folder or do that as you go along.

Then play the first video and each subsequent one as needed as many times as you need to.
 
Decent Gifs are hard to find. There's lots of junk out there but decent stuff is rare. This is an example of crappy. The instructors hands are TERRIBLE. Watch the hands of the woman in pink is the first gif and see how her hands are held and then compare them to this one.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/8JZ87JSYyBENGBc1Bz/giphy.gif

This is abetter gif of the woman in pink from the front. Pay attention to the hands, where they start, where they stop, and what she's doing with her hands while moving her arms.

https://media.giphy.com/media/kgwLhK28b1p6/giphy.gif
 
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I used to do Tai Chi for those with restricted mobility because of damage to my spine. Now even that is beyond me because I am unbalanced and cannot stand unassisted.

When I did it, within my limitations, I found it helpful in maintaining the limited flexibility I had, but I soon reached a point beyond which I couldn't progress.

Now I can't do the simplest movements except when sitting down.
 
I used to do Tai Chi for those with restricted mobility because of damage to my spine. Now even that is beyond me because I am unbalanced and cannot stand unassisted.

When I did it, within my limitations, I found it helpful in maintaining the limited flexibility I had, but I soon reached a point beyond which I couldn't progress.

Now I can't do the simplest movements except when sitting down.

I hear you about the spine issues. For me, the next 30 years are going to be a slow motion race to see whether I wind up in a wheelchair first, or a coffin first. Neither is preferable over the other.
 
I hear you about the spine issues. For me, the next 30 years are going to be a slow motion race to see whether I wind up in a wheelchair first, or a coffin first. Neither is preferable over the other.

I have had ankylosing spondylitis for 35 years but had retained a reasonable standard of mobility through exercise and physiotherapy. Even before then I had damage to my spine from a misspent youth of motorcycle accidents and falling off horses. cliffs and mountains.

For the last eight months I have had Lambert-Eaton myasthenic syndrome which has meant I am very unsteady on my feet and fall over often. That is a symptom of lung cancer which will probably kill me first.

Tai Chi is now impossible.
 
I have had ankylosing spondylitis for 35 years but had retained a reasonable standard of mobility through exercise and physiotherapy. Even before then I had damage to my spine from a misspent youth of motorcycle accidents and falling off horses. cliffs and mountains.

For the last eight months I have had Lambert-Eaton myasthenic syndrome which has meant I am very unsteady on my feet and fall over often. That is a symptom of lung cancer which will probably kill me first.

Tai Chi is now impossible.

Anything is possible even if only in the depths of your imagination.

I do understand your physical limitations and wish you and yours the best.
 
So, it's been a week since I started this thread.

Who knows the forms up to White Crane Spreads its Wings; and who is procrastinating?
 
I have always found the practice fascinating

I studied a non-traditional form of Kung-Fu when I was younger. I never mastered the movements of Tai-Chi or Tai -Qi. But, I learned much about integrating the breathing techniques of various schools into my meditative practices. I have found it to be very beneficial to me in times of stress, melancholy, or physical weakness. Sometimes the mere act of temporarily tightening the muscles as I breathe, can revitalize my spirit t go on with the task at hand.
 
Hit the gym or aerobic exercises?
Could never find the incentive. Nevermind that I also let myself go in my 40's.

I was into more solitary sports like swimming maybe jogging if I put earphones in. You recharge your batteries through exercise and through losing yourself into an imaginary imaginary world .

But I'm starting to see why so many people or are into tai chi, martial arts, zumba or other sorts of aerobic classes.
It's not just about exercising or socializing, it's about the particular outlook and the people you share that with.




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Grammar.:(
 
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Hit the gym or aerobic exercises?
Could never find the incentive. Nevermind that I also let myself go in my 40's.

I was into more solitary sports like swimming maybe jogging if I put earphones in. You recharge your batteries through exercise and through losing yourself into an imaginary imaginary world .

But I'm starting to see why so many people or are into tai chi, martial arts, zumba or other sorts of aerobic classes.
It's not just about exercising or socializing, it's about the particular outlook and the people you share that with.




ETA
Grammar.:(

In a way this is true but the change in outlook/behavior/physique/health is something you seek for yourself, not for the admiration of others.
 
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