Sweet Sixteen

[sweetnpetite]

Have you heard the song "Black Jack Davey"?
How old are you my pretty little miss, how old are you my honey?
She answered him with a loving smile
I'll be sixteen come Sunday...

...Last night I lay on a feather bed
Between my husband and baby
tonight I lay on the cold, cold ground
In the arms of Black Jack Davey...

This girl wasn't even sixteen yet, and she had a husband and child.
(Anyone wants the MP3, just PM me- I have five versions of it!)

Did her husband lose her in a card game?

 

[sweetnpetite]

Sweet sixteen first recorded 1826

"The age of the gods is always sixteen. Sixteen represents the number of perfection, of plenitude. In man it is after the sixteenth year that the first elements of decay begin to appear, and when the moon reaches the sixteenth digit it begins to decrease." [Alain Daniélou, "The Myths and Gods of India"]
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=sixteen&searchmode=phrase

A Sweet Sixteen is a traditional birthday party for girls to have when they turn sixteen. In the U.S., sixteen is the age in many states at which teenagers obtain full or nearly-full driving privileges. It is also the age of consent in many states, hence it is viewed by many teenagers as an important milestone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweet_sixteen_(birthday)

A teen's 16th birthday marks an important transitional year. Whether you do a "sweet 16" party for your daughter or a bash for your son, try to remember that 16-year-olds consider themselves very grown up. rolleyes:- sweet)

http://www.ehow.com/tips_3737.html

and you know what really freakin pisses me off sometimes? when the wealthy complain that they dont have enough. I dont want to hear it, you have your wealth...ok thats not what I mean. I mean, for example, that show sweet sixteen. It pisses me off when they complain they dont have enough, that their party should be the party of the year, and hundreds of thousands should be spent on them. I loved my party, and I had mostly family there and it was entirely cool with me. I love my family. I think its the worst when the rich dont appreciate their family. that just fucked up.

http://216.109.125.130/search/cache...teen"+etymology&d=CVarZ2FULgC-&icp=1&.intl=us

 

[Stella_Omega]

Til at least 30- sometimes later.

The word is... Neoteny and it is a very interesting thing. Ones way to look at it- the more complex an organism is, the longer it retains certain juvenile characteristics. We humans are certainly complex!
Another way to look at it is that the longer an organism retains juvenile characteristics, the more complex it can become...

a prolonged childhood might be a very good thing for our race.

Certainly, the idea of becoming an adult at fifteen precludes an awful lot of maturation- there just isn't that much time left to develop wisdom, once you have to scratch out a living, feed babies, fight off the killing diseases that beset us back in the day. (Pennicillin was discovered by a forty year-seven old man- who would have been dead of old age already, during the days cantdog is talking about.)

there's also some argument that an older mother may have something to do with the longevity of her children, by the way, but I can't find the reference so don't hold me to that!

 

[Stella_Omega]

Did her husband lose her in a card game?

hee hee!
Nope, Davey whistled her right out of the house...
Black Davey come running on back,
Whistlen' loud and merry,
Made the woods round him ring,
And he charmed the heart of a lady,
Charmed the heart of a lady.

"How old are you my pretty little miss?",
"How old are you my honey?",
She answered with a loving smile,
"I'll be sixteen come sunday",
Said "ill be sixteen come sunday".

"Come and go with me, my pretty little miss
Come and go with me, my honey
I'll take you where the grass grows green
You never will want for money"
Said, "You never will want for money

"Pull off, pull off your long, blue gloves
Made of Spanish leather
Give to me your lily-white hand
And we'll ride off together"
Said, "We'll ride off together"

Well, she pulled off her long, blue gloves
Made of Spanish leather
And gave to him her lily-white hand
And bid fairwell forever
And they both rode off together

Well, late last night the boss came home
Inquiring about his lady
The servant spoke before she thought
"She been with Black Jack Davey
Rode off with Black Jack Davey"

"Come on, come on my coal-black horse
You're speedier than the gray
I'll ride all day and I'll ride all night
And I'll overtake my lady
Yeah, I'll overtake my lady"

Well, he rode all night 'til the broad daylight
'Til he came to a river ragin'
And there he spied his darlin' bride
In the arms of Black Jack Davey
Wrapped up with Black Jack Davey.

Would you forsake your house and home?
Would you forsake your baby?
Would you forsake your husband, too
To go with Black Jack Davey?
Run off with Black Jack Davey?

Yes, I'd forsake my house and home
And I'd forsake my baby
And I'd forsake my husband too
To go with Black Jack Davey
I'm in love with Black Jack Davey

Last night I slept on a feather bed
Between my husband and baby
And tonight I lay on the river banks
In the arms of Black Jack Davey
I'm in love with Black Jack Davey

*sigh*.. isn't it romantic?

WELL, IT DIDN'T WORK ON KATY!

 

[sweetnpetite]

16- Coming of Age

Most cultures have one or more coming of age birthdays:
Jewish boys have a bar mitzvah on their 13th birthday. In Reform and Conservative Judaism, Jewish girls observe a bat mitzvah on their 12th or 13th birthday.
In Latin America the quinceañera celebration traditionally marks a girl's 15th birthday.
Many girls in the USA have "sweet sixteen" birthday parties.
In countries with significant drinking ages, it is often typical to become intoxicated with one's friends as soon as legal; some bars facilitate this through drink specials or the like. In countries where age restrictions on alcohol are loosely enforced, this phenomenon may be less common.

http://66.218.69.11/search/cache?p=...xteen+birthday"&d=GenXdmFULmDM&icp=1&.intl=us

 

[sweetnpetite]

Yes, I'd forsake my house and home
And I'd forsake my baby
And I'd forsake my husband too
To go with Black Jack Davey
I'm in love with Black Jack Davey

Last night I slept on a feather bed
Between my husband and baby
And tonight I lay on the river banks
In the arms of Black Jack Davey
I'm in love with Black Jack Davey

*sigh*.. isn't it romantic?

WELL, IT DIDN'T WORK ON KATY!

Romantic, yes and a little sad.

(the baby part is sad, but I like how she's sleeping on the ground but she's happy cuz she's in the arms of the man she loves.)

 

[sweetnpetite]

It's remarkably difficult to find any historical information on sweet 16's.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Romantic, yes and a little sad.

(the baby part is sad, but I like how she's sleeping on the ground but she's happy cuz she's in the arms of the man she loves.)

Yes, I thought that was interesting too- would a fifteen-year-old girl leave her baby for her lover? maybe... somehow though ,I doubt it. Of course,a lot of these songs are like news items- they got sung about because they were unusual things to have happened.

 

[sweetnpetite]

Yes, I thought that was interesting too- would a fifteen-year-old girl leave her baby for her lover? maybe... somehow though ,I doubt it. Of course,a lot of these songs are like news items- they got sung about because they were unusual things to have happened.

Well, maybe a fifteen year old is more likely. I mean who at 15 would rather be tied down with a baby than riding around on romantic adventures with a guy who promised you the world?

 

[sweetnpetite]

Is this song creepy or what?

Tonight's the night I've waited for
Because you're not a baby anymore
You've turned into the prettiest girl I've ever seen
Happy birthday sweet sixteen

What happened to that funny face
My little tomboy now wears satin and lace
I can't believe my eyes you're just a teenage dream
Happy birthday sweet sixteen

When you were only six I was your big brother
Then when you were ten We didn't like each other
When you were thirteen You were my funny valentine
But since you've grown up Your future is sewn up
From now on you're gonna be mine, so

If I should smile with sweet surprise
It's just that you've grown up before my very eyes
You've turned into the prettiest girl I've ever seen
Happy birthday sweet sixteen

 

[sweetnpetite]

They're really rockin Boston
In Pittsburgh, P. A.
Deep in the heart of Texas
And 'round the Frisco Bay
All over St. Louis
Way down in New Orleans
All the Cats wanna dance with
Sweet Little Sixteen

Sweet Little Sixteen
She's just got to have
About half a million
Framed autographs
Her wallet's filled with pictures
She gets 'em one by one
She gets so excited
Won't ya look at her run

Oh Mommy Mommy
Please may I go
It's such a sight to see
Somebody steal the show
Oh Daddy Daddy
I beg of you
Whisper to Mommy
It's all right with you

Cause they'll be rockin on bandstand
In Philadelphia P.A.
Deep in the heart of Texas
And 'round the Frisco Bay
All over St. Louis
Way Down in New Orleans
All the Cats wanna dance with
Sweet Little Sixteen

Sweet Little Sixteen
She's got the grown up blues
Tight dress and lipstick
She's sportin' high heal shoes
Oh, but tomorrow morning
She'll have to chang her trend
And be sweet sixteen
And back in class again

Cause they'll be rockin on bandstand
In Philadelphia P.A.
Deep in the heart of Texas
And 'round the Frisco Bay
All over St. Louis
Way Down in New Orleans
All the Cats wanna dance with
Sweet Little Sixteen

 

[Boxlicker101]

Yes, I thought that was interesting too- would a fifteen-year-old girl leave her baby for her lover? maybe... somehow though ,I doubt it. Of course,a lot of these songs are like news items- they got sung about because they were unusual things to have happened.

It would be rare but it does happen. There are actually women who kill their children in order to take up with some guy they think would like her to be unencumbered. Susan Smith comes to mind and there have been others.

Edited to add: "Sweet Little Sixteen" as it was recorded by Chuck Berry has always been one of my favorite songs.

 

[sweetnpetite]

You come on like a dream, peaches and cream,
Lips like strawberry wine,
You're sixteen, you're beautiful and you're mine.

You're all ribbons and curls, ooh what a girl,
Eyes that sparkle and shine,
You're sixteen, you're beautiful and you're mine.

You're my baby, you're my pet,
We fell in love on the night we met,
You touched my hand, my heart went pop,
Ooh when we kissed I could not stop.

You walked out of my dreams, and into my arms,
Now you're my angel divine.
You're sixteen, you're beautiful and you're mine.

You're my baby, you're my pet,
We fell in love on the night we met,
You touched my hand, my heart went pop,
Ooh when we kissed I could not stop.

You walked out of my dreams, and into my car,
Now you're my angel divine,
You're sixteen, you're beautiful, and you're mine.

 

[sweetnpetite]

You've been a juvenile
With a dolphin smile
With no elbow room
With your body in bloom
You've had your little backyard
Protected by big walls
You didn't dare look over
'Cause you've been too small

Now you're finally sixteen
And you feelin' old
But they won't believe
That you got a soul
'Cause you're only sixteen
And you're feeling real
But you can't seem to cop a feel

Why do they have to force us
Through this metamorphose
Little butterfly
No matter how you try
You'll be segregated
You're gonna be closed off
You're callow and you're green
'Cause you're caught between

You're only sixteen
Try to cross the line
But your little wings are intertwined
You're only sixteen
And you're such a tease
And there's nothing you do
That can really please

"These children
They're not really bad most of them
They're just products
Of rotten neighborhoods
And bad family situations"

You know you can't forsake it
So sit back and take it
You see you're just not ripe
So don't try and fight that

You're only sixteen
You wanna catch a peek
But they look at you
Like you're such a freak
Well you're only sixteen
With a lot to say
But they won't give you
The time of day

You're only sixteen!
You're only sixteen!
You're just sixteen!!
You poor little thing.

 

[sweetnpetite]

16 Candles

Happy birthday, happy birthday, baby
Oh, I love you so

Sixteen candles make a lovely light
But not as bright as your eyes tonight (as your eyes tonight) (Oh)
Blow out the candles, make your wish come true
For I'll be wishing that you love me, too (that you love me, too)

You're only sixteen (sixteen)
But you're my teenage queen (you're my queen)
You're the prettiest, loveliest girl I've ever seen (I've ever seen) (OH!)

Sixteen candles in my heart will glow
For ever and ever for I love you so (for I love you so)

You're only sixteen (sixteen)
But you're my teenage queen (you're my queen)
Oh, you're the prettiest, loveliest girl I've ever seen (I've ever seen) (OH!)

Sixteen candles in my heart will glow
For ever and ever for I love you so (for I love you so)
For I love you so!!!

 

[sweetnpetite]

Wow, I never looked at the words to any of those 16 songs before. They are all kind of icky. Girls really used to fall for that sort of thing?

 

[Boxlicker101]

Wow, I never looked at the words to any of those 16 songs before. They are all kind of icky. Girls really used to fall for that sort of thing?

The guys singing those words were rich and famous. Girls have ALWAYS fallen for that sort of thing.

 

[sweetnpetite]

The guys singing those words were rich and famous. Girls have ALWAYS fallen for that sort of thing.

Yeah, but they also like the 16 year old who looks meaningfully in their eyes and sings along to those goofy songs and pulls them close as if that song was written especially for her.

 

[cantdog]

on the second thread

The word is... Neoteny and it is a very interesting thing. Ones way to look at it- the more complex an organism is, the longer it retains certain juvenile characteristics. We humans are certainly complex!
Another way to look at it is that the longer an organism retains juvenile characteristics, the more complex it can become...

a prolonged childhood might be a very good thing for our race.

Certainly, the idea of becoming an adult at fifteen precludes an awful lot of maturation- there just isn't that much time left to develop wisdom, once you have to scratch out a living, feed babies, fight off the killing diseases that beset us back in the day. (Pennicillin was discovered by a forty year-seven old man- who would have been dead of old age already, during the days cantdog is talking about.)

there's also some argument that an older mother may have something to do with the longevity of her children, by the way, but I can't find the reference so don't hold me to that!

Physically, including especially brain-wise, no, no one is mature at fifteen. The physical is far from the all, though. Not every mature teenager became that way a million years ago, either.

You'll find stories right here in My Town, USA, if you listen for them. Dad dies, for example, and Brother puts on the pants and supports everyone. Or Sister, even more commonly. If a kid is mature then it is especially irksome not to be taken seriously. One of my daughter's friends went to college at 16, and CLEPped the freshman year, almost in its entirety. She was utterly ready for the adult world by the time she'd graduated. Made a good living. People are different in these things.

If you have children, you will be presented with myriad opportunities to retard the maturation of your kids. People seem to want to preserve their 'innocence.' This usually means to lie to them and then be amused at how thoroughly they've gone and swallowed it. Like the belief in the Tooth Fairy or some of that tripe.

"Isn't that precious, how she thought we would never lie to her?"

"Don't you love the sweet innocence of children?"

And when one goes to college, it's no better, sometimes, even though legally one is an adult. The dorm I lived in claimed they stood in loco parentis! To a bunch of grown men? And they did, too, because htose 'grown men' acted like callow idiots all the time. They needed a momma.

You may want to protect and shelter your children, make all the rules, steal all the judgements they ought to be making from them. Then you, too, will produce a grown man with no idea how nor inclination to act the part.

Or you may choose to encourage judgement to develop, and even wisdom, if you have any to offer. Then your young person will be able to make some of the crucial decisions facing her with aplomb and competence.

Just my two cents.

 

[English Lady]

I had an 18th birthday party at my house, we player pass the parcel and watched muppets tonight on TV *lol* we had alcohol (mum and dad bought it in for me) and it was a lovely time, well apart for the fact my boyfriend of the time had to leave early 'cos he was off to university (where he then dumped me, ahhh lovely) anyhow - I haven't a clue what i did on my 16th, my 18th was my big birthday , I'd been legally able to fuck for 2 years but at 18 it's legal to drink and drive (not simultaneously) and that seems to be when celebrations happen over here, not 21 as it used to be in my Nanna's day *grins*

 

[woodnymph_O]

I spent my 16th at a county fair, in the arms of 19 year old carnival worker in a big black leather Jackett, trying to get warm in 40 degree weather, and doing a damn fine job of it. It was a time I'll never forget.

However 17 was better , when I was a special guest to a male strip show and spent it blushing in the arms of 8 different half naked men as each gave me a birthday dance..Oddly enough they did it as a favor to my mom ..Last Happy Birthday I had..

 

[sweetnpetite]

I spent my 16th at a county fair, in the arms of 19 year old carnival worker in a big black leather Jackett, trying to get warm in 40 degree weather, and doing a damn fine job of it. It was a time I'll never forget.

However 17 was better , when I was a special guest to a male strip show and spent it blushing in the arms of 8 different half naked men as each gave me a birthday dance..Oddly enough they did it as a favor to my mom ..Last Happy Birthday I had..

what a strange life...

sounds interesting though. that county fair thing would probably make a good story, especially if it's a doomed romance.

 

[woodnymph_O]

strange indeed, maybe one day I will write that story, would it make it better if I told you he was 6'8 and worked scarring people in the haunted house. Or that he had a 6 foot snake that liked me more than I would have wanted..
but beautiful blue eyes, and gentle hands,,memories (sigh)

 

[Boxlicker101]

strange indeed, maybe one day I will write that story, would it make it better if I told you he was 6'8 and worked scarring people in the haunted house. Or that he had a 6 foot snake that liked me more than I would have wanted..
but beautiful blue eyes, and gentle hands,,memories (sigh)

I think it would be terrible if he worked in the Haunted House, inflicting wounds on people serious enough that scars resulted.

By the way, was he a regular boyfriend or an employee at the fair or both?

 

[woodnymph_O]

I think it would be terrible if he worked in the Haunted House, inflicting wounds on people serious enough that scars resulted.

By the way, was he a regular boyfriend or an employee at the fair or both?

He worked for the carnival company, and when he jumped out and scared me in a gorilla mask lol .. The rest is bad spelling lol