Subs . . .

[graceanne]

Ok, I was thinking about this while I was running errands today. The voting season is coming up. I personally am going to do what I always do, vote how K tells me to. So, to those of you who are attached, do you vote how your PYL tells you? Or is that something that you maintain your independance on?

 

[CutieMouse]

*****

 

[Miss Diva]

Sorry everyone new to the BSDM world but what is PYL???

 

[graceanne]

Sorry everyone new to the BSDM world but what is PYL???

Sorry. PYL stands for pick your label. If it's in capitals it's a dom/me, master, top if it's in lower case it's a sub/bottom/slave

 

[graceanne]

Don't you find that intersting. As pyl's we quite literally put our lives in the hands of our PYL's. But we won't allow them to tell us to vote for. I'm not trying to pick a fight, or point fingers. To each their own, and if your PYL doesn't care, then you shouldn't either. The reason I've always, (even pre-bdsm) let K tell me who to vote for is he's more informed. He reads all the pamplets, listens to the radio, etc. We've talked, and talk, politics enough for me to know that I generally agree with him.

But several years ago we got in an arguement about something a measure we disagreed on. I was going to vote how I wanted, whether he agreed or not. So, now that I've agreed to do what he tells me to, does that include voting?

And then I got to thinking, and wondering if pyl's let their PYL's have control over EVERYTHING, or everything but their voting?

 

[CutieMouse]

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[Hajar]

At times like this I'm really gald
1) we share the same views
2) I can't vote in the US

Cutie I hope you took pics, cause it sounds sooo cute

 

[dolf]

(humerous OT- today it includes a 2 year old who decided a box of laundry soap, dryer sheets, and a toilet made a fabulously splashy and sudsy bath. )

lol, ouch!
i remember mine doing the same thing
cute but ew


hmmm, it's a tricky question but I'm not sure I could do it.
to let him control my life would be my choice but to let him have more than his fair share over other peoples lives would seem wrong...why should he get two votes when everyone else gets one?
I'd talk it over. I have my own opinions politically but me being me I'd probably want him to be able to change my mind with his superior knowledge on the subject

xx

 

[tahiraGC]

Voting is such an individual thing its about the way you feel and think so im not sure how i would react to being told how to vote. thankfuly its never come up but i will talk to him about it.

 

[sunfox]

He and I are similar in our political tastes, so if he did choose to tell me how to vote, I doubt it would conflict with what I'd have voted anyway.

That said.. I doubt I'd much appreciate being told how to vote. I don't really care for that kind of minute control, and luckily, neither does he.

 

[graceanne]

He and I are similar in our political tastes, so if he did choose to tell me how to vote, I doubt it would conflict with what I'd have voted anyway.

That said.. I doubt I'd much appreciate being told how to vote. I don't really care for that kind of minute control, and luckily, neither does he.

That's what I said earlier. Is that we always agree. Even that one time, I eventually agreed with him. So I know that I can trust him with this. And he doesn't demand it, but I've been copying off him for years. Quite often things that are up for vote just seem stupid and frivilous and confusing to me. On the other hand, I know he knows what's going on, and why that's up for a vote, and how to vote.

 

[incubus'_sub]

Sometimes I think we can take the whole B&D thing too far & this is one example. My sexual wiring does not define who I am, it's just a part of me. It's important yes, but I don't put my brain on hold because of it.

We've just had our Federal elections over here. Incubus & I share the same political views but even if we didn't, no, he wouldn't try to tell me how to vote.

 

[ownedsubgal]

for some, Dominating or submitting could simply be about their sexual wiring, their sexual personality. and that's as far as it goes. however what i think many don't realize (or wish to accept) is that for some of us, being Dominant or submissive is not who we are in the bedroom, but who we are...period.

anywho, i actually asked my Master about this very issue recently, and he gave me permission to vote in the upcoming presidential election, and also told me who i was to vote for. as a slave, i usually don't have any say in such things, but i was curious as it isn't something we've discussed or dealt with before. if i were a free submissive, would my vote be the same? no, my Master and i don't have exactly the same political leanings. however what i'd do if i were free is irrelevant, since i am not. i vote as he tells me to vote.

 

[Hajar]

this will make me a bad sub, but if liberal me had a conservative Dom, (not going happen anyway but) I don't think we would make it thru a election season.
I can quite see myself telling him NO.
I worked in politics from the age of 18 until 24, in some shape or form, so I hold strong views.
I think should we ever have a contract this is one area where I would keep my control, my right to vote for whom I see fit.

OSG I take my hat off to you.

 

[graceanne]

this will make me a bad sub, but if liberal me had a conservative Dom, (not going happen anyway but) I don't think we would make it thru a election season.
I can quite see myself telling him NO.
I worked in politics from the age of 18 until 24, in some shape or form, so I hold strong views.
I think should we ever have a contract this is one area where I would keep my control, my right to vote for whom I see fit.

OSG I take my hat off to you.

Then you'd need to think it out. Cause if you agree to turn everything over to him, that includes your voting, ya know? Also, if you're very much into politics, it seems to me that you should make sure that your future mate agrees with you.

 

[MissTaken]

I, personally, would never dream of telling scooter how to vote. Of course, one of the things I enjoy most about him is his intelligence and analytical thinking. He also remains far more savvy than I in terms of current events.

No, I respect him and his ability to think and therefore would not tell him how to do so.



My two cents...

 

[graceanne]

this will make me a bad sub, but if liberal me had a conservative Dom, (not going happen anyway but) I don't think we would make it thru a election season.
I can quite see myself telling him NO.
I worked in politics from the age of 18 until 24, in some shape or form, so I hold strong views.
I think should we ever have a contract this is one area where I would keep my control, my right to vote for whom I see fit.

OSG I take my hat off to you.

Oh, and I don't think that makes you a bad sub. That means you just thought of one of your hard limits.

 

[A Desert Rose]

...one of the things I enjoy most about him is his intelligence and analytical thinking.

No, I respect him and his ability to think and therefore would not tell him how to do so.



My two cents...

If I had ever asked my Dom how I should vote, I think He would have slapped me silly and then asked "Who took Roxy... where did you put her?"

Every Dom I have ever known or been involved with, valued the gray matter in my head, above all else.

 

[chris5vx]

I'm not attached but I think its something someone should maintain their indepence on. There really is no right or wrong candidate in the general sense, but those who you agree or disagree with. The elected official should represent the majority's viewpoints. If a person doesn't care enough to educate themselves on the issue, they should refrain from voting, not give a free vote to another person. Couldn't in some way doing so be looked at as being nonconsensual with society as a whole?

 

[littlegirlslut]

My political beliefs run too deep. Probably as deep as any other belief I have. So NO I would not be able to vote for someone jsut because my PYL told me to. Voting is VERY personal to me and above all else a right I feel i should exercise freely.

However, this expressed may also lead to some of the reasons the people I've talked on here would say I'm a challenging borderline difficult pyl. That said i get to vote before my trial period is over, so PYL or not, I'm voting for who I want to vote for. If that's a problem, discipline me.

 

[CutieMouse]

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[Justina123]

Sir and I have discussed politics extensively in the last few months, not only our impressions and thoughts on the national scene. At his suggestion, I have done some extra research so w can both be informed about the various less-publicized local offices up for election this year.

In all our discussions, he has never even hinted that he would tell me how to vote. I think it is because he has a lot of respect for my intelligence and insight, and while he is very much the Dominant in all aspects of my life, by his own wish he likes me to be able to think for myself, stand on my own when necessary, etc. For the most part, we hold very similar political views. However, if he did ever feel strongly enough to instruct me how to vote for someone or something, I would comply. That's just how we are and an indication of the depth of our commitment and mutual respect.

justina

 

[MissTaken]

If a person doesn't care enough to educate themselves on the issue, they should refrain from voting, not give a free vote to another person.

Maybe this thought should be in a separate thread in the cafe, but I find this part of your post very interesting.

How would one be determined to have educated themselves sufficiently to cast a vote?

Sub or just plain ole citizen, doesn't matter. I don't see how this can be determined or if it can be controlled in anyway without violating the conventions of democracy.


On the other hand, BDSM doesn't necessarily fall in step with democracy, does it?

 

[Hajar]

Then you'd need to think it out. Cause if you agree to turn everything over to him, that includes your voting, ya know? Also, if you're very much into politics, it seems to me that you should make sure that your future mate agrees with you.

I'm married to Him, lol and yeah we have the SAME views
but that was just part of picking a good mate, before we even had the idea that this would be our lifestyle.

But I did ask Him tonight, His view is that my vote is mine, to use for the person I believe in, He knows that i try my best to educate myself on all topics and that i don't take things lightly.
Even now as we start to look seriously at taking this even futher, He is not the mirco management type, so there's just some things i'll never deal with, He knows my strenghts, and uses them to allow the house and our lives to run smoothly.
As to the turn EVERYTHING over, well we are not the standard Dom/sub and will never be, we accept that, there are just some areas that we decided as love struck vanilla lovers that would remain the same, and the our views on that have not changed

 

[chris5vx]

Maybe this thought should be in a separate thread in the cafe, but I find this part of your post very interesting.

How would one be determined to have educated themselves sufficiently to cast a vote?

Sub or just plain ole citizen, doesn't matter. I don't see how this can be determined or if it can be controlled in anyway without violating the conventions of democracy.


On the other hand, BDSM doesn't necessarily fall in step with democracy, does it?

I'm not advocating a test or quiz...just the honor system. I feel like our society pushes voting on people, a "you have to vote mentality". I disagree with that, I think voting is important, and something that people should do. But, not everyone is interested for their own reasons though and instead of filling out a card at random or giving their vote to someone else, I think its fair to say please don't vote. I'm sure everyone knows if they're a little informed or not.

Thats where my rub with bringing in BDSM is to voting. One of the central ideas we base our govenment on is everyone is entitled to vote. One per person please. By allowing someone to tell you how to vote, you can effect society as a whole. Now your BDSM lifestyle is effecting others who didn't agree to it. No longer consensual....bad deal. I think of this about the same as if people sold votes on ebay or something.

Of course there will always be people who do sell their votes, let others tell them how to vote, vote at random just to be voting, dead people voting, etc so in the end maybe it doesn't really matter at all. But idealisticly I disagree with.