Soon you'll cast your ballot

[Slut_boy]

Okay so soon you'll be casting your votes, and much has been said on other threads about the two candidates. I only know what I have read ..... until last night when I saw an extract of a debate on TV (screened by CCN) between the two. I have to say that I was a little disappointed with Gore. Bush strikes me as a better orator. It seemed to me that Gore was more concerned with discrediting his opponent than punting his version. He kinda "played the man rather than the ball" as we sometimes say around here.

I am not asking you something personal - you don't need to say who you are voting for - but please will you just say who you think will win. It only needs to be the name. I would like to keep a running tab on things. You want another cliche (cause I know them like the back of my hand).... okay I want to "keep my finger on the pulse".

So just please write a name for me - if you will.

 

[Merelan]

Bush.....

 

[forgetunome]

Gore

But, may I add that's not who my vote will be for that's just who I think will win...and the hard part is I really don't like either one of them!

 

[CelestialBody]

 

[R Nitelight]

Al.

 

[Slut_boy]

Updated opinion poll #1

At this stage:


Total : 4

Gore : 3

Bush : 1

 

[Sonora]

I'm voting for Gore. Do I think that he'll be the winner? I don't know, but I do think that the US people will be the losers no matter who wins.

 

[Aranian]

Gore

Gore didn't attack Bush at all in the debates. He attacked Bush's plans which are completely fair game.

Now I do seem to recall several instances where Bush made attempts to attack Gore's character.

 

[Golden]

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Something about the world's greatest democracy: every 4 years one obscenely wealthy white right wing guy goes head to head against another obscenely wealthy right wing guy (no, don't ANYONE try and tell this member of the British Labour Party that the Democrats are left wing...) and maybe half of the people get off their arses and go and vote according to which one is more motherhood and apple pie on TV.

This guy then becomes the most powerful man in the world; a world where US foreign policy makes a real difference to dozens of countries and millions of people because of the "investment" the US makes in financial and military aid all over the place; and yet the vast majority of those people who vote for this guy do not know if Bosnia is in Europe or Africa and don't give a shit about much beyond their own tax bills.

At least he does all he can to behave like the most powerful man in the world, while meanwhile a bunch of equally obscenely wealthy mainly male straight people in the Senate and House tie his hands behind his back and undermine most of what he is trying to achieve. So having gone to all the trouble to elect the guy you then don't let him do what he promised. The world of course doen't notice this detail, and doesn't realise what a lucky escape it has had, but never mind.

Churchill said - democracy is the worst form of government, but so far no one has thought up a better one.

At least over here you can be poor, or female or left wing or gay (not all four at once, yet, and not black yet, but we'll get there...) and still become prime minister; while the ceremonial trappings of state are left in the hands of a rather dull but quite harmless soap family we last elected in 1688.

wake me up when it's over folks.

 

[Shane]

I'm sad to say that i'm not that politically motivated; i don't think that this democracy is fair, and the reps kinda suck...

but many of my friends are...and even my friends who were not politically motivated went to the Nader ralley...and I've been considering voting Green Party...because it's not throwing your vote away...it's casting it. if green gets more than 5% of electoral votes, then the green party will be allowed to debate next election...

 

[Rosebud]

i think gore will win but it will not be with my vote

 

[Laurel]

I agree with Aranian. I think people are confusing Gore's demeanor with his message. Gore comes across as aggressive when he's talking about the weaknesses in Bush's policy. Bush smiles and mutters personal attacks about Gore's "character" and everyone just sees the smiles and misses the snide personal remarks. Then Bush complains about being "attacked" in the press, and everyone believes that instead of looking at the actual debate.

I heard Barbara Bush saying on some morning talk show that she was "afraid" for George Dubyah in the debates - something about fearing that Al was gonna physically assault her son. LOL! Gee, Babs, if your son can't handle Al Gore, exactly how is he going to handle Sadam Hussein? (BTW, if I'm ever running for President and I send my mommy out to the talk show circuit in my defense, please slap me.)

There's been several articles on MSNBC, CNN, and other big news sources discussing the fact that the "Gore is a liar" myth and how it's the result of distortion of his statements by the press and Republican party. The Internet statement is a good example of this - he never claimed to have "invented" anything. He stated that he "took initiative in creating" the Internet, and his comments were actually correct in their context. It's sloppy journalism at best, slander at worst.

The point is this: the public's view of Gore is molded by half-truths. The Democrats haven't taken the initiative in publicly debunking the Republican Party's false statements and showing them to be the shit-stirrers and rumor-mongers that they are. Gore sits there like a wet noodle and apologizes when he should be telling the world about the "lies" Bush has told, both during this campaign and before.

That's what will cost the Democrats the election - their reluctance to get down and dirty. Whitewater scandal? Why don't they go dig around in Dubyah's shady business dealings? The press has to go do it themselves, and the articles run on the back page, whereas they'd be front page news if Gore or other Democrats were to bring it all out in the open.

I think Bush will win. We'll have 4 years of debt, no balanced budgets, the economy will go to shit, social security will be a mess, and he'll be voted out in 2004. That's my prediction.

 

[Laurel]

If I offended anyone with that last post, I'm sorry. It wasn't me - it was the painkillers. Just got back from the dentist, and I'm a little foggy. I'm gonna go lay down before I get myself in real trouble...

 

[shit4brains]

Gore--And I hope we have 4 more years of prosperity

 

[CelestialBody]

 

[lala]

as frightened as i am i think the worst case scenario is bush/cheney winning, although gore/leiberman would be hell too. i would like for nader/laduke to win, but i have to say i really don't think someone's who's been bitching in congress longer than his constituency has been alive running with a native american woman will actually win in my lifetime, harry brown (some creepy libertarian guy)- he'd get voted in when saddam hussein would actually come out of the closet as satan's abusive lover. (watch more southpark,...) that's my views on what's goin' on,...

 

[Svedish_Chef]

Gore a bush?

Gore easy

 

[Cheyenne]

I don't know who will win. Too close to call at this point. If no major changes in campaign and no major blunders by either man before the election, I'd give Bush the very slightest of edge. That I base on who I think is is more likely to vote- a Bush or Gore supporter. It is one thing to say you support someone, it is another to actually care enough to get your ass to the booth to pull the lever.

 

[Adoratrice]

Gore.....I think..no.... wait..umm....yea... Gore.

 

[Always]

why is it I can't rmemeber his name?


ah, well, Green party. really. his views are closest to mine, but there's a saying. two, actually.

"Voting is only choosing the lesser of two evils." -My buddy Ben

"Noone can do for your country what you think you want done but you." -yours truly.

I think we need a Pagan president.

 

[Roll-One]

Bush

I think..hell i dunno, personally, i don't think we have much to choose from either one of them..

 

[Stormystarr]

Neither...

I personally don't think either of them should win, they're both too childish. They need to bring some new candidates in and start all over.
But do you really think they'd do that? hell no!!!

 

[ElaineWest]

Bush and Gore

-Did anyone else see that Comedy Central comedian who said the election sounded like a snuff film?...BUSH and GORE? Sorry...I thought it was funny.

My biggest problem with the candidates is there aren't any who are any good? Anyone else finding this problem? No, really I'm all for Gore but I can't say I really want the whole Clinton/Gore administration to live on. (God help me if Hiliary gets my home state of New York)But I really like Chaney more than Liberman, but I'd NEVER vote for Bush.
*sigh* I guess we all just gotta do what we gotta do huh?

 

[Laurel]

Here's a scary thought... suppose there's a tie in the electoral college. I believe that the decision would go to Congress, with the Senate electing the Pres and the House electing the VP. Can you imagine a Bush/Lieberman pairing? How about a Gore/Cheney? And you thought the bickering between the White House & Congress was bad!

I just read a piece on the news about how completely apathetic younger voters are this year. An MTV survey found that many could not name the candidates and their running mates. I don't think it has to do with the issues - the environment is a big one for the younger set. Neither do I think it's necessarily the candidates, though I will say that neither of them has come off as particularly inspiring or leaderly the way Reagan did. I think that in times of propserity, people don't care - especially the young. Look at Kosovo - their young people literally fought to get their new leader in power. I wonder how bad things have to get in the US before people start to give a shit.

 

[Cheyenne]

Re: Neither...

I personally don't think either of them should win, they're both too childish. They need to bring some new candidates in and start all over.
But do you really think they'd do that? hell no!!!

And just who would they be? Aren't we the ones who put these two into the race through our votes in the primary elections? Or didn't you vote then when you had the chance? Not just stormystarr, but what about the rest of you? If your state had primary elections, did you vote? Or are you whining now that you missed your chance to get whoever you really wanted into the race?

Thus my point about the race being decided based on who gets off their ass to actually go vote.