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[CW]

Gore fer sure

Can't stand that false smile that Bush seems to have plastered on his face,,, reminds me too much of a shady two faced politician or a used car salesman,,,

We do stand a big chance of lossing our economic surge with Bush, and God help us if we have to go to war with him as CIC,,, we'll slap a hand or two and say play nice while we get the shaft,,,

Now, if Gore would get a bit of spine to him and refute Bush's attacks, then the choice would be much clearer.

 

[BushIsm]

Speaking of Bush and Lies

Here's the truth behind Bush and the health care bill he takes so much credit for, from salon.com

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What happened in Texas on a patient's right to sue is pretty simple. Bush vetoed a patients bill of rights, one offered by a conservative Republican, primarily because it contained a right-to-sue provision. Bush did instruct his insurance commissioner to enact by regulation other, less controversial, provisions of the bill, such as allowing a woman to use her OB-GYN as her primary care physician. But when the right to sue came up once again in 1997, Bush had one of his aides do everything he could to sabotage the bill. Two Republican state senators complained about it on the floor of the state Senate. Then, when the bill passed regardless with what looked to be veto-proof support, Bush let the bill become law without his signature -- as something of a protest.

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Bush allowed that he had vetoed "a bill, because it was a lousy piece of legislation. I got my insurance commissioner to write a series of rules and regulations that then became the law -- because of leadership. And I signed it into law. We're one of the first states in the union to allow a patient to sue an insurance company after there's an internal review process. Now, we've got a good piece of legislation, and so the president needs to take a look at the facts."

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Bushbaby took credit for a bill that was passed despite his opposition. How can you Gore exaggerates and not railroad George WB for the same exaggerations? partisan politics, that's how.

 

[Jester]

Remember when Democracy used to mean that everyone got their fair chance? Maybe it's just wishful thinkning. Go Nader! He won't win, but he's the one that deserves to.

However, since it's set up that one of the two primary parites will win (yay Democracy?), Gore should take it.

 

[Lasher]

I posted this link deep in the heart of another thread, Slut_boy, so you may have missed it. They're posting odds on the election on a state by state basis, and on a nationwide basis. It's really the best look I've seen at how the race is shaping up. Here's the link:

http://www.campaignline.com/odds/index.cfm

If you ask me today who I think is gonna win, I'd say that from the numbers I've seen Bush wins 274-264 in the Electoral vote. But that could change tomorrow. And probably will.

I think what amazes me most about this election is that the numbers are more interesting than the candidates.

And the more I look at it, the more and more this election looks like 1960. Nixon lost that year because of the relatively poor perception of him people got from the debates, and because people just didn't like him. Same thing is happening to Gore. The more people see of him, the less they like him. It may be sad to say, but when it gets down to election day and those 7-10% of voters who are still undecided go to the polls, that might just make the difference.

 

[Guest]

Vote for Gore and get ready to get fucked up the you know what in taxes!!!!! I for one am tired of giving close to 40% of my income to a governement that mis-allocates it funds and lies to the american people with a straight face!!!! Fuck that!!!

 

[BushIsm]

Vote for Gore and get ready to get fucked up the you know what in taxes!!!!! I for one am tired of giving close to 40% of my income to a governement that mis-allocates it funds and lies to the american people with a straight face!!!! Fuck that!!!

You're obviously too young to remember the last Republican tax cut. If another $15 a week in your paycheck followed by a nice, long recession that costs you thousands of dollars in lost income sounds good to you, go Bush by all means.

If you believe in smaller government, it makes no fucking sense to vote for Bush. He is not proposing shrinking or eliminating a single government body.

Instead, he will grow the government more than Gore will. He is planning to put $1 trillion from the Social Security fund into the stock market. He has not explained where this money is going to come from. What's wrong with this picture?

A. Since that $1 trillion is already spent, he is going to have to borrow it. I think pissing away 1/3 of tax revenues on interest on the deficit is plenty (thank you, Ronald Reagan).

B. The smart people in his administration who would actually do all the work will have to create an enormous new bureaucracy in order to administer this money. How efficient do you think this bureaucracy would be? How many people and layers of management do you think would be needed to handle one trillion dollars? Since when do libertarians- or Republicans, for that matter- trust the government to handle this kind of thing?

P.S.

Are there any Texans on this board who are as confident as Bush is that he can bring together Republicans and Democrats? My fiancee and her family are from Texas, and they sure don't think so. Molly Ivins has a brilliant column about Bush here: http://www.star-telegram.com/columnist/ivins2.htm

Key quote:
"No one expects Bush to know the difference between Chernomyrdin and Berezovsky, but the one subject that he `is' supposed to know about is the state of Texas. In the course of these debates, he has claimed that the governor of Texas appoints state Supreme Court justices, which is a hopeless howler. He dwelled with great relish on the claim that all three killers in the most notorious murder case of our time got the death penalty. Only two of them did. And Bush in fact did nothing to stop a hate crimes bill, which was the Legislature's effort to bring something good out of that case, from stalling. And now he claims that he passed the Patients' Bill of Rights, which in fact was passed in spite of him.

If Al Gore had twisted the truth as grossly as Bush did on the Patients' Bill of Rights, every Republican in America would be screaming liar, liar, liar."

[Edited by BushIsm on 10-20-2000 at 04:12 AM]

 

[Shannon]

I need more Bush and Dick in my life.

 

[Sonora]

[BInstead, he will grow the government more than Gore will. He is planning to put $1 trillion from the Social Security fund into the stock market. He has not explained where this money is going to come from. What's wrong with this picture?
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I've hesitated to post this since I only caught part of it. It heard it yesterday morning. The TV was on either MSNBC or CNN, and something was said about the one trillion dollars and that Bush had said that he wasn't going to tell how he was planning on doing this until AFTER he was elected. Did anybody else catch that or know what I'm talking about? If this is true......<<<<shaking head>>>>

 

[Golden]

lordy, lordy; I insult the Amercian constitution and no one bothers to argue with me!

 

[Cheyenne]

lordy, lordy; I insult the Amercian constitution and no one bothers to argue with me!

Didn't take it as an insult and had to go back to figure out what you're talking about. I like wealthy white guys. Just kidding. Sort of.

I didn't think you were insulting our system as much as the type of people we tend to select to serve us in government.

 

[forgetunome]

lordy, lordy; I insult the Amercian constitution and no one bothers to argue with me!

Why bother...you're just plain insulting. LOL!

 

[Weinergirl]

Gore and I wish we had more options. Regardless of who wins I have a feeling there won't be any social security left for the Gen X'ers. Also I hope the old lady who has to pick up cans and can't pay her prescriptions bills makes out ok. I'm going to start saving my soda cans just in case.

Wg

 

[Weird Harold]

I just got home from my hunting trip, and my sample ballot was waiting for me. I've reviewed the choices for president, and the only one that looks appealing to me is "none of these candidates."

I don't think he (she?) has got a snowflake's chance in Hell of winning, but that's my choice.

 

[RonG]

The funny thing about these elections over the years is that we see a bunch of undecideds and poll-swings in the preceding months and then when all is said and done, the American public ends up electing the most capable person. Not the one with the best ideas or the best personality, but the one who, in the long term view, is most capable of doing the job. Take the Bush/Dukakis election, clearly Dukakis was incapable. 4 years later, Clinton tells very nearly the same story as Dukakis but appears more confident, capable, and taller (and stays out of tanks) and smokes Bush. Nixon was just as unlikeable in 1968 and 1972 as he was in 1960, but he ran against people you wouldn't want managing a quickie mart, let alone the country.

That being said, Gore wins at the wire. And unless a few electoral votes go to third party candidates in the states that don't have winner take all, you can't have a tie in the electoral college. There are an odd number of votes.

 

[Lasher]

And unless a few electoral votes go to third party candidates in the states that don't have winner take all, you can't have a tie in the electoral college. There are an odd number of votes.

Sorry, Ron, but it's an even number. One for each Senator and Representative (100 and 435) plus 3 for the District of Columbia, total of 538. Theoretically they could tie at 269, and it takes 270 to win.

 

[RonG]

I stand corrected, I forgot about the DC thing. That's 3 electoral votes Al can count on.

 

[Slut_boy]

Okay the lastest update

First of all, thanks of the link Lash, I did miss it the first time you posted it. It makes for interesting reading.

Second, it was quite difficult to do a count, but this is how I think you think the voting may go:

Total : 18

Gore : 11

Bush : 7