Someone want to explain "Social Justice" to me?

[4est_4est_Gump]

When your philosophy of government is based on groups, you must remember that your group can be a favored or disfavored group with equal ease and that neither status is ever permanent any more than the favors government solemnly promised to purchase your group loyalty.
A_J, the Stupid

Social Justice is no more than convincing one group of people that all of their problems are caused by another group, so the call to pitchfork and torch is wrapped in a thin veneer of legality and a healthy icing of moral indignation...

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it."
Frédéric Bastiat

But it is upon the law that socialism itself relies. Socialists desire to practice legal plunder, not illegal plunder. Socialists, like all other monopolists, desire to make the law their own weapon. And when once the law is on the side of socialism, how can it be used against socialism? For when plunder is abetted by the law, it does not fear your courts, your gendarmes, and your prisons. Rather, it may call upon them for help.
Frédéric Bastiat
The Law

 

[jeninflorida]

Social Justice is a liberal/socialist that is too lazy to work and wants others to pay his or her fair share

aka from the asshat obama

 

[miles]

Tell me what you don't understand on a word that is so self-explaining.

"Belief in strong social and economic mobility—that Americans can and do rise from humble origins to riches—has been called a "civil religion", "the bedrock upon which the American story has been anchored", and part of the American identity (the American Dream), celebrated in the lives of famous Americans such as Benjamin Franklin and Henry Ford, and in popular culture (from the books of Horatio Alger and Norman Vincent Peale to the song "Movin' on Up"). Opinion polls show this belief to be both stronger now in America than in years past, and stronger than in other developed countries. However, in recent years several large studies have found that vertical inter-generational mobility is lower, not higher, in America than in those countries." ( Wikipedia )

In other words life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It is a guarantee of opportunity, not outcome.

 

[Ishmael]

Tell me what you don't understand on a word that is so self-explaining.

"Belief in strong social and economic mobility—that Americans can and do rise from humble origins to riches—has been called a "civil religion", "the bedrock upon which the American story has been anchored", and part of the American identity (the American Dream), celebrated in the lives of famous Americans such as Benjamin Franklin and Henry Ford, and in popular culture (from the books of Horatio Alger and Norman Vincent Peale to the song "Movin' on Up"). Opinion polls show this belief to be both stronger now in America than in years past, and stronger than in other developed countries. However, in recent years several large studies have found that vertical inter-generational mobility is lower, not higher, in America than in those countries." ( Wikipedia )

Soooo, 'Social Justice' is primarily an economic concept?

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Ding!

Good answer.

I think it means fairness, which is different from equality. People confuse the two words.

If you ask your government to treat someone "fairly," the only way it can ever accomplish that task is to treat someone "unfairly."
A_J, the Stupid

 

[PoppingTom]

Because too many of their hip-hop children believe that education is selling out to the white man's world...

You're the best example they didn't (or if they did, it doesn't help.....)

 

[miles]

If you ask your government to treat someone "fairly," the only way it can ever accomplish that task is to treat someone "unfairly."
A_J, the Stupid

Exactly.

"It's not fair" is the lament of children who have yet to realize life isn't fair.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Because too many of their hip-hop children believe that education is selling out to the white man's world...

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You cannot be a Cornball Brother!

Or as my teacher used to put it, "Look at all those lazy bucks laying around all day blaming the white man for all their problems. All they have to do is get a JOB! I did! You did!"

Dear Tom,

I have my masters from the white man's world...

xoxoxoxo,
A_J

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Exactly.

"It's not fair" is the lament of children who have yet to realize life isn't fair."

When man (and not his creator) confers rights, then everything is a right to be granted or denied as men clamor and jostle for their perceived rights. When everything is a right, rights are cheap. When rights are cheap it is easy for the government to award and dismiss them.
A_J, the Stupid

 

[miles]

When man (and not his creator) confers rights, then everything is a right to be granted or denied as men clamor and jostle for their perceived rights. When everything is a right, rights are cheap. When rights are cheap it is easy for the government to award and dismiss them.
A_J, the Stupid

But...but...but what about the right to an education, an affordable home, and a living wage?

 

[mercury14]

Soooo, 'Social Justice' is primarily an economic concept?

Ishmael

The economic aspect is one facet of Social Justice. Human rights, liberty, freedom of thought, etc are other facets.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Soooo, 'Social Justice' is primarily an economic concept?

Ishmael

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Ваша патриотическая обязанность!

 

[miles]

The economic aspect is one facet of Social Justice. Human rights, liberty, freedom of thought, etc are other facets.

You're so full of meaningless blather.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

But...but...but what about the right to an education, an affordable home, and a living wage?

Once the Intellectual has won the "right" to education, how far behind are the "rights" to employment, health, housing and food?
A_J, the Stupid




Neo, you've been down that road before. You know where it leads...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it."
Frederic Bastiat

Under this moral code, the government then becomes a charitable organization that serves the unfortunate and calls upon the fortunate to service it. With each passing election government expands to serve and raises the need for incremental, additional service. With each expansion more of the citizenry become involved in the charity as visible recipients of the largess of the government or invisible recipients who manage the largess reaped from the demanded, morally patriotic, service to government. When the recipients begin to out-earn the servicers, the government ceases to work in a coherent manner. Eventually the servicers of government run out of the incentive to serve and lose the fear of forced government conscription to its charitable works.
A_J, the Stupid

 

[mercury14]

But...but...but what about the right to an education, an affordable home, and a living wage?

In a society where one kid goes to an elite school and the other one has to go to a failed one based on who their parents are is socially unjust in that way.

 

[miles]

Once the Intellectual has won the "right" to education, how far behind are the "rights" to employment, health, housing and food?
A_J, the Stupid




Neo, you've been down that road before. You know where it leads...

I have the right to a daily blowjob from a beautiful woman.

 

[mercury14]

You're so full of meaningless blather.

You'd sound more intelligent if you said something relevant rather than your bitter personal attack routine.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

You're so full of meaningless blather.

He defines Capitalism and Liberalism and then acts as if Socialism is the way to achieve those ends.


It can only end badly.

When man (and not his creator) confers rights, then everything is a right to be granted or denied as men clamor and jostle for their perceived rights. When everything is a right, rights are cheap. When rights are cheap it is easy for the government to award and dismiss them.
A_J, the Stupid

The government big enough to do something for you is big enough to do something to you. If you accept the former then you are saddled with the latter, for the two are inseperable; for is generally at the expense of to.
A_J, the Stupid

If you think it is acceptable to take a percentage of someone's income above your station in life, then everyone in that station, as well as everyone below your station in life will find it perfectly acceptable to take like amount from you.
A_J, the Stupid

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I have the right to a daily blowjob from a beautiful woman.

Ugly women work harder...

 

[PoppingTom]

Soooo, 'Social Justice' is primarily an economic concept?

It is a state. Keeping it high is kind of an economic concept.

 

[miles]

In a society where one kid goes to an elite school and the other one has to go to a failed one based on who their parents are is socially unjust in that way.

Bwak, bwak, bwak. Verbal bullshit.

Life is tough. There are no guarantees. Grow a pair and deal with it.

 

[Adre]

From a simple question to a whackadoodle circle jerk in thirty minutes. Nice job, boys

 

[PoppingTom]

Dear Tom,

I have my masters from the white man's world...

Doesn't speak for the white man's world.

I've got my masters from university.

 

[Ishmael]

In a society where one kid goes to an elite school and the other one has to go to a failed one based on who their parents are is socially unjust in that way.

It is a state. Keeping it high is kind of an economic concept.

OK, we're now establishing that 'social justice' is an economic construct.

I'm still not certain how this works though.

Ishmael