Some liberation

[REDWAVE]

Notice how you don't hear anything about Afghanistan any more on the TV news? And how, not too long ago, it seemed like we heard about nothing else? That's because any factual coverage of what's going on in Afghanistan now would make it painfully obvious that the U.S. invasion did not "liberate" Afghanistan, but in fact made things worse.

The Afghan economy is virtually non-existent. Millions live on the brink of starvation. The main industry appears to be opium production, which has sprung back up, after being suppressed by the Taliban. Hamid Karzai's pathetic puppet regime controls only Kabul, and is very shaky there. Karzai has to be protected by U.S. Special Forces, and a recent assassination attempt on him nearly succeeded. The pathetically small "national army" is greatly outgunned and outnumbered by the forces of the rival warlords, who are the real power now.

Ismael Khan rules western Afghanistan from Herat, and is supported by Iran. Abdul Rashid Dostum, a real nasty character, is the Uzbek warlord based in Mazar-i-Sharif in the north. Another major player is Atta Mohammed, who is Tajik. There are also growing attacks on the U.S. military.

Now that the U.S. imperialists have achieved their goal of establishing a substantial U.S. military presence in oil-rich Central Asia, they have turned their back on the Afghan people, who are being left to starve. All attention now is focused on Saddam Hussein of Iraq, the new enemy du jour. The Afghan experience shows what a cruel jest the "liberation" of Iraq will be. In fact, Iraq was one of the most affluent and developed nations in the Middle East-- that is, until the U.S. government destroyed it with the bombing and sanctions.

Reference:

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/nov2002/afgh-n30.shtml

 

[Rex1960]

Coincidence that you post this today, RED ?
or is it again an ignorant media ?


Yesterday, the second summit on Afghanistan took place near Bonn, Germany (our former capital).

Conference "Rebuilding Afghanistan: Peace and Stability"

 

[Rex1960]

bump...to keep you informed...

German Online News

Bonn: Beratungen zur Zukunft Afghanistans

Zum Auftakt der 2. Bonner Afghanistan-Konferenz hat Bundeskanzler Gerhard Schröder (SPD) weitere Unterstützung seitens der internationalen Gemeinschaft zugesagt. Entscheidend für die Zukunft des kriegszerstörten Landes sei aber, dass "das Volk sein Schicksal selbst in die Hand nimmt", sagte Schröder. Er rief die Parteien und Volksgruppen auf, Zwietracht und Machtkämpfe zu überwinden. ........

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translated by Rex

Bonn: Talks about Afghanistan's Future

At the beginning of the 2nd Afghanistan Conference at Bonn, Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder promised further support by the international community. Most important for the future of this war-distroyed country was, that "the (afghan) people take their karma in their own hands", Schroeder said. He invoked the parties and tribes to overcome their fighting and struggling for power.

 

[SINthysist]

So basically, you're pissed as hell that Afghanistan is back to normal. Wasn't that the goal?

 

[SINthysist]

To borrow from a Jackie Chan Movie -

You gave me a BAD translation!
No, I gave you a WRONG translation!

 

[Guest]

What does Ishmael doing in West Afganistan?

 

[SINthysist]

Speaking of liberation - How's your Turkey doing?

 

[Guest]

There is something wrong with my earlier post.

 

[SINthysist]

What does Ishmael doing in West Afganistan?

REX!

Stop that and translate more correctly!

 

[SINthysist]

There is something wrong with my earlier post.

No Scheiss Sherlock!

 

[Guest]

REX!

Stop that and translate more correctly!

See the post above you. I beatya.

 

[Guest]

Ooops. I didn't.

 

[SINthysist]

Confucious say, He who laughs last...

IS PROBABLY THE DUMBSHIT OF THE BUNCH!

 

[Guest]

Confucious said a lot of bull.

 

[Rex1960]

Confucious say, He who laughs last...

IS PROBABLY THE DUMBSHIT OF THE BUNCH!

who ? confurious ?

 

[Rex1960]

So basically, you're pissed as hell that Afghanistan is back to normal. Wasn't that the goal?

lmao yes.....

Go on fighting Afghans and increase your poppy seed production !!

 

[Don K Dyck]

Which Bull??

who ? confurious ?

Was that SIN's confusa-bull or lova-bull??

 

[zipman]

As usual, a little fact, a lot of false information.

Notice how you don't hear anything about Afghanistan any more on the TV news? And how, not too long ago, it seemed like we heard about nothing else? That's because any factual coverage of what's going on in Afghanistan now would make it painfully obvious that the U.S. invasion did not "liberate" Afghanistan, but in fact made things worse.

Yes, the US sucks because we couldn't take a country that was ravaged by war (from both communists and civil factions) for over 20 years and restore peace immediately. Of course, you could have done it REDWAVE, if only we would have asked. The progress is occurring at about the expected rate, but I guess it was a slow news day for you.

The Afghan economy is virtually non-existent. Millions live on the brink of starvation. The main industry appears to be opium production, which has sprung back up, after being suppressed by the Taliban. Hamid Karzai's pathetic puppet regime controls only Kabul, and is very shaky there. Karzai has to be protected by U.S. Special Forces, and a recent assassination attempt on him nearly succeeded. The pathetically small "national army" is greatly outgunned and outnumbered by the forces of the rival warlords, who are the real power now.

Opium production was always occurring especially while the Taliban was in power, that was how they funded their government after they killed the local economy. This is common knowledge.

Ismael Khan rules western Afghanistan from Herat, and is supported by Iran. Abdul Rashid Dostum, a real nasty character, is the Uzbek warlord based in Mazar-i-Sharif in the north. Another major player is Atta Mohammed, who is Tajik. There are also growing attacks on the U.S. military.

Again, this was and continues to be the way life was in Afghanistan. It will take time to impose a nation wide system to police and contain the various warlords.

Now that the U.S. imperialists have achieved their goal of establishing a substantial U.S. military presence in oil-rich Central Asia, they have turned their back on the Afghan people, who are being left to starve. All attention now is focused on Saddam Hussein of Iraq, the new enemy du jour. The Afghan experience shows what a cruel jest the "liberation" of Iraq will be. In fact, Iraq was one of the most affluent and developed nations in the Middle East-- that is, until the U.S. government destroyed it with the bombing and sanctions.

The sanctions were imposed by the UN, not the US. A point you well know. But then again, you probably won't be back to read this either, as you always spew some crap and then hide while you are proved wrong.

 

[Rex1960]

Re: Which Bull??

Was that SIN's confusa-bull or lova-bull??

some people claim, SIN used "confurious" as another alter ego during the han-dynasty, though that bulletin board was totally different...

 

[weed]

And I thought SIN was trying to tell us all the trolls were everybody else.

Suspicion comes in many forms.

 

[REDWAVE]

Epitaph for a fading Empire

"They make a desert, and they call it peace."

 

[HeavyStick]

What fucking newspaper does redwave read?

Was Afghanistan an economic power house in the Middle East before 9/11? No. Was there pain, suffering, hunger and oppression of women and other religions in Afghanistan before 9/11? Yes. Have things gotten slightly better? Yes The soccer field is used for soccer and not an execution place of women who picked up a book or showed too much ankle.

The Opium trade was not suppressed by the Taliban, it was encouraged. It was discouraged to sell to Muslims. They sold the west drugs and used the money to finance terrorists camps.

You're fucking idiot Redwave.

 

[Rex1960]

Re: Epitaph for a fading Empire

"They make a desert, and they call it peace."

lol - sure - like Afghanistan was a Garden of Eden before ... um ... the Soviets "were invited" ?
Or was it Alexander the Great who just blitzkrieged the peaceloving Afghan tribes.
I'm not quite sure but I guess Afghanistan has always been what it is now.

Like Balcan, like Caucasus, even like the Alps and other spots on earth where more than one tribe saddled and all kind of migrating people put their feet in throughout the centuries just because they had to cross it on their way from A to B.

Have I mentioned the Middle East ?

 

[Problem Child]

And it's so horrible that women actually get to expose their faces to daylight, and are allowed to go out without a male "escort". Allah must be rolling over in heaven or wherever the hell he resides (pun intended).

It's also a crying shame that women are allowed to vote and (Oh my Allah!) are even taking part in the new government. And how terrible is it that women actually get to A) work and B) have acccess to semi-decent medical attention?

It's a travesty, I tell ya.

 

[HeavyStick]

Re: Re: Epitaph for a fading Empire

lol - sure - like Afghanistan was a Garden of Eden before ... um ... the Soviets "were invited" ?
Or was it Alexander the Great who just blitzkrieged the peaceloving Afghan tribes.
I'm not quite sure but I guess Afghanistan has always been what it is now.

Like Balcan, like Caucasus, even like the Alps and other spots on earth where more than one tribe saddled and all kind of migrating people put their feet in throughout the centuries just because they had to cross it on their way from A to B.

Have I mentioned the Middle East ?

It's only an issue of oppression and injustice when white hands and minds are involved. Redwave points a racists finger very easily. Look at his threads and posts, he's more of a racist than anyone else here.