Socialism

[garbage can]

Which of his policies lead you to so vehemently oppose Obama?

Nice cop out "there's racism everywhere". No, there really isn't.

If you can't see a large amount of racism in the birther crowd, then you're either a)racist yourself, b) insanely naive or stupid, or c) willfully ignorant.

Obama has been attacked as being "anti-american" and "other" since before the election. The whole "he's a muslim!!!!!!! OMG" argument is a perfect illustration of this.

He just simply CAN'T be american (like us, wink wink)... he's black!

Where does this "Obama isn't like US" attitude coming from, if it's not rooted in racism?

Shall we start with his decision to close Gitmo Bay, his decision to try KSM in NYC, and his selection of Czars and go from there.

I believe I said "an element of racism", exactly what Carter said when asked about racism vis-a-vis the "racists' who opposed Obamacare.

Ah, the birthers, yes, of course, You lost big time on that, attack when you're losing. Reread the question then tell me your not a loser.

Obama attacked:: Another illustration of your paranoia, stupidity and inability to connect the dots.

Can't be an American:: More utter nonsence. You've got problems...

Let's see now. Yes or no

All Tea partiers are Racist
Those wanting to see his school records are racist.
anyone opposing Obamacare is a racist.
those that complain about him shooting hoops are racists.
Those complaining about his 3 billion deficit are racists

Did I forget anything?

 

[Luk]

Shall we start with his decision to close Gitmo Bay, his decision to try KSM in NYC, and his selection of Czars and go from there.

I believe I said "an element of racism", exactly what Carter said when asked about racism vis-a-vis the "racists' who opposed Obamacare.

Ah, the birthers, yes, of course, You lost big time on that, attack when you're losing. Reread the question then tell me your not a loser.

Obama attacked:: Another illustration of your paranoia, stupidity and inability to connect the dots.

Can't be an American:: More utter nonsence. You've got problems...

Let's see now. Yes or no

All Tea partiers are Racist
Those wanting to see his school records are racist.
anyone opposing Obamacare is a racist.
those that complain about him shooting hoops are racists.
Those complaining about his 3 billion deficit are racists

Did I forget anything?

Nope. You have summed up you being an ignorant fool very well. Congrats.

 

[Sonny Limatina]

I got stung by a bee in third grade.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Nope. You have summed up you being an ignorant fool very well. Congrats.

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[Sonny Limatina]

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Zumi, you need to start a business making and selling animated gifs.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

I think where jenin and other wingnuts criticism of communism lies is in how it was implemented and how it utterly failed. That much is obviously true.

However, they fail to take that same critical eye and look at capitalism and it's failures.

capitalism and it is failures?

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

That is not true Socialism. That's the capitalist idea of what socialism is. Under socialism you are required to work. That caveat is always there. One of the reasons that people found Communism so oppressive was that not only were you required to work but you were forced to work where the governmental system evaluated your talents to be.

No, we get that; we understand that in order to provide to everyone's means that someone has to be looted, hard working people that don't always enjoy being drug down to the level of the supplicants. WE who actually pay taxes, truly realize that not everyone gets a free ride, it's just those that demand one. That's why now we have more households receiving benefits than wages, more people not paying income tax than payers, more people working for the public sector versus the private sector, and a state of debt that everyone is willing to fix as long as they have to surrender not one of their hard-earned gains won by their champions in Washington DC.

Yeah, you are required to work, being paid (to do meaningless busy work) out of the pockets of the looted which is why Socialism is so depressing to an economy, those with the ability soon discover that they are punished at every turn for excellence appreciated only when they praise the looters and moochers and gush over their pride at being robbed for the good of the whole. Innovation and advancement becomes a group project, a fleeting dream and a lack of invention by committee...
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A_J, the Stupid

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

That is not true Socialism. That's the capitalist idea of what socialism is. Under socialism you are required to work. That caveat is always there. One of the reasons that people found Communism so oppressive was that not only were you required to work but you were forced to work where the governmental system evaluated your talents to be.

double post

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Originally Posted by Peregrinator
Here is what you cannot define:

[W]hat limits ought to be set to the activity of the state," is "that the provision of security, against both external enemies and internal dissensions must constitute the purpose of the state, and occupy the circle of its activity."
Wilhelm von Humboldt

"Little else is requisite to carry a state to the highest degree of opulence from the lowest barbarism but peace, easy taxes, and a tolerable administration of justice: all the rest being brought about by the natural course of things."
Adam Smith

Self-defense against enemies of the state and a sound legal structure that addresses actual wrong, not a government that tries to anticipate wrongs.

What is the hard, logical, quantifiable limit of the provision of security? [1] What is the cutoff off "easy taxes?" What is a "tolerable" as opposed to intolerable administration of justice?

Who are the enemies of the state? [2] Should the state be concerned about those who would pervert science in the name of belief in a fairy tale? [3] Do internal enemies count too? [4] Was Iraq a direct threat to the security of the state? Is Brazil? How about Cuba? Israel? I'm pretty sure you and I agree that Libya was no threat. Is toxic runoff from factory farms a threat to the state? What about air pollution? Acid rain? Spent nuclear fuel rods? [5]

Fear mongering? You mean like "Obama will bankrupt the US?" [6] Like "Environmentalists want to dismantle the US economy?" That kind of fear mongering? Is "Oh! My ducats!" fear mongering somehow more honorable?

Okay. Until you find me exact, precise parameters of how little government is little enough, I'm sticking with "anarchist," because from here, you look like one. I'm kidding, but the truth is that you do believe in government intervention, in plenty of circumstances. You just have a list in your head of what's acceptable intervention and what isn't. And the criteria you supplied which I quoted above don't always apply.

Are you concerned with my liberty as well as your own? Because if so, that's very altruistic thinking. If you see it as the highest good and want me to have it, then the only applicable term is altruism.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Frisco_Slug_Esq
1. The basics. Defense form foreign powers and defense from theft, any theft be it malicious, deceitful, or even completely unintended as when "big evil business" "poisons" its consumers...

2. Anyone who tried to fight or deceive it.

3. Covered in one. Plus, as an aside, the writing style guide does not call for two spaces after a period.

4. Covered in 2. Yes. Disruption of energy supplies and making war on our alliances. Libya has been kinetically engaged in a quid-pro-quo with our allies. I oppose it, but since we elected multi-cultural Socialists, we get great deference to France, who btw, held the egalitarian revolution they so love, full of "payback."

5. Covered in 1.

6. Pretty easy call based upon his book, his past associations, and his proclivities when talking "SCIENCE." When government is big enough to direct SCIENCE...

I submit that this reply indicates a tacit admission that you cannot tell me when doing good ends and that you have not thought out the logical consequences, for example, if Republicans get their hands on SCIENCE. My definition prevents them from doing stupid shit with unintended consequences. Your definition leads to Oligarchy. There are so many things wrong with your interventions, but your unshakable belief in yourself, your SCIENCE and the good works of government lends a certain nobility to your views and, of course, those of us who would challenge those views and the slow strangulation of government by illogical thinking would, of necessity be opposed to your good works, and thus rather unsavory characters, but you see, we fear for your Liberty and its future in this country as year after year of doing good leads us into a Grecian Formula as deadly as if Darius and Xerxes had actually prevailed over Greece and prevented the spread of individual Liberty and the idea of Republic.



Here you go, Frisco, this is you advocating state intervention you like.

No it's not. It's a definition of the limits of state action.

Now, show me the interventions I approve of. You know, the "doing good" of unlimited government. You know, SOCIALISM.



Defense from external and internal enemies. A fair (blind - advocacy - innocent until proven guilty) judicial system and laws the address actual harms, not potential harms. Those are the limits of central government. Once you begin to use government to advance agendas, then you have a creeping Socialism and you sir, have one big agenda, the environment and as such, are identified as a willing tool by the agents of Socialism. (And please note, if you follow the antics of the self-proclaimed "anarchists" in Europe, they are fighting on behalf of government largess, much as the anti-establishment 60's crowd does today. They would truly be dismayed to find you labeling me as one of them. On the other hand, the Socialists are delighted to see you labeled as one of them...).
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Remember: once you organize people around something as commonly agreed upon as pollution, then an organized people is on the move.
Saul David Alinsky
Rules for Radicals

 

[Liar]

Let's see now. Yes or no

All Tea partiers are Racist
Those wanting to see his school records are racist.
anyone opposing Obamacare is a racist.
those that complain about him shooting hoops are racists.
Those complaining about his 3 billion deficit are racists

Did I forget anything?

Who is saying that every last Tea Partier is racist?

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Who is saying that every last Tea Partier is racist?

Where have you been for the last two years or so?

The whole movement is racist according to the Obamanation. Now of course, we know that some who don the White Hood had to to get elected by their peers, but trust us, the few non-racist Tea Party members don't exonerate the Birther of a Nation...


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Why can't Liberals (, Blue Dogs and Republican moderates) stomach the Tea Party?
Because it requires a strong Constitution!
A_J, the Stupid

 

[richard_daily]

Shall we start with his decision to close Gitmo
Bay, his decision to try KSM in NYC, and his selection of Czars and go from there.

The first two are no longer valid. So off the cuff, your only criticism is his choice of advisors?
That's a pretty weak argument for a guy who posts anti-obama things nearly every day.

Try to come up with something a little more coherent or relevant... Or, if you'd prefer, you can just come out and admit that you don't like black people... You wouldn't be the only one.

Obama attacked:: Another illustration of your paranoia, stupidity and inability to connect the dots.

Can't be an American:: More utter nonsence. You've got problems...

What are my problems? That I realize that Obama is actually an american, and that he's not "less" american because he's black?

Explain it to me. I have no problem with criticizing Obama. I don't like the guy, didn't vote for him, and really, the only thing that makes me like him, is the fact that the extreme right spends all day and all night trying to vilify him.

All Tea partiers are Racist
Those wanting to see his school records are racist.
anyone opposing Obamacare is a racist.
those that complain about him shooting hoops are racists.
Those complaining about his 3 billion deficit are racists

Did I forget anything?

Why do you need to see his high school records? Did they ask that of Bush? Reagan? Ford? Nixon? Hell, not even Carter or Clinton were put through the ringer the way that Obama has been. And why the focus on what he does in his freetime?

3 billion in deficits? Where were these people during W? WHere were these people during Reagan?

Stop moving the goalposts.

"Obamacare"? So do you think that it's a BAD thing that people will spend less money on healthcare, and that that money can be spent to pay down the deficit?

Your ilk needs to stop with the coded language, just say what you mean.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Did you sleep through the Bush years, or is your hindsight not 20/20?

Bush was bashed for his grades repeatedly as part of the stupid mantra and everyone knows the ONLY reason he got into Yale was Daddy.

Obama is now getting similar treatment, but now, it's racism!


Barry Says: I am protected by Liberal White Guilt and Affirmative Action! You can't touch this!
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[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Reagan was stupid.

A puppet with a master.

Ford was a clumsy bumbler.




Obama, Carter, and Clinton were certified genius!

 

[IrezumiKiss]

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[richard_daily]

capitalism and it is failures?

Yes. Capitalism and it's failures.

Or are you under the false impression that capitalism is perfect?

Wait, don't answer that...

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Yes. Capitalism and it's failures.

Or are you under the false impression that capitalism is perfect?

Wait, don't answer that...

it's = it is

its = possession

If you want to act all smart and stuff, quit repeating the same damned errors.
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It is popular today to blame capitalism for everything that displeases. Indeed, who is still aware of what he would have to forego if there were no "capitalism?" When great dreams do not come true, capitalism is charged immediately. This may be a proper procedure for party politics, but in Scientific discussion, it should be avoided.
Ludwig von Mises
A Critique of Interventionalism (1929)

 

[richard_daily]

it's = it is

its = possession

If you want to act all smart and stuff, quit repeating the same damned errors.
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It is popular today to blame capitalism for everything that displeases. Indeed, who is still aware of what he would have to forego if there were no "capitalism?" When great dreams do not come true, capitalism is charged immediately. This may be a proper procedure for party politics, but in Scientific discussion, it should be avoided.
Ludwig von Mises
A Critique of Interventionalism (1929)

What was that you were saying about "ad homonym"?

 

[phrodeau]

it's = it is

its = possession

If you want to act all smart and stuff, quit repeating the same damned errors.
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It is popular today to blame capitalism for everything that displeases. Indeed, who is still aware of what he would have to forego if there were no "capitalism?" When great dreams do not come true, capitalism is charged immediately. This may be a proper procedure for party politics, but in Scientific discussion, it should be avoided.
Ludwig von Mises
A Critique of Interventionalism (1929)

Check out the big brain on AJ.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

What was that you were saying about "ad homonym"?

Hey, you're the nasty one on the mix and apparently proud of it. If you had been reading (or better yet proofreading) with comprehension you would have seen that I was not making a statement about Capitalism, or even trying to refute your "point," but you have an agenda-driven brain: bash, bash, bash, bash...,

It's (It is) like you're auditioning for the role of Bam-Bam in the next Flintstones remake.

It's only ad hominem when I demean you to reduce your point. I don't do that, you do that.

 

[richard_daily]

Hey, you're the nasty one on the mix and apparently proud of it. If you had been reading (or better yet proofreading) with comprehension you would have seen that I was not making a statement about Capitalism, or even trying to refute your "point," but you have an agenda-driven brain: bash, bash, bash, bash...,

It's (It is) like you're auditioning for the role of Bam-Bam in the next Flintstones remake.

It's only ad hominem when I demean you to reduce your point. I don't do that, you do that.

uh huh...

So... is capitalism perfect?

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

uh huh...

So... is capitalism perfect?

Nothing is.

I never claimed it was. I will claim with full and firm observable belief, that it is more perfect than Socialism, by whatever name one wishes by with to put his faith in the infallibility of government direction, oversight, and preventative regulation for our own good.

Now, if every human being actually had full faculty and work ethic then it would be.

But, it is still a superior vehicle to supply the needs of those lacking both.
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The more government does on your behalf, the less you can do on your own behalf.
A_J, the Stupid

 

[richard_daily]

Nothing is.

I never claimed it was. I will claim with full and firm observable belief, that it is more perfect than Socialism, by whatever name one wishes by with to put his faith in the infallibility of government direction, oversight, and preventative regulation for our own good.

Now, if every human being actually had full faculty and work ethic then it would be.

But, it is still a superior vehicle to supply the needs of those lacking both.
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The more government does on your behalf, the less you can do on your own behalf.
A_J, the Stupid

Tell me about capitalism's shortcomings.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Tell me about capitalism's shortcomings.

It creates a wealth, a boredom, and the pursuits of enforced happiness at the hands of idle busybodies who can find no end to the litanies of evil and oppression which are easily observed and identified under Capitalism by the aforesaid "educated" sons and daughters of wealth who rapidly become to good to do actual work and come to disdain the wealth-creation process so they become social crusaders hell-bent on bending Capitalism to a new world order which will bring about social justice, fairness, and a new Garden of Eden with the myopic destruction of the actual means to create wealth replacing it instead with gossamer dreams of a better way hatched in the ivory towers of their educated boredom.

It then generally ends up in Gulags and the Universities being emptied for hands to work the fields in a "Great Leap Forward..."

That is Capitalism's greatest short-coming, the ability to give our children idle hours in which to explore the deepest darkest deviant depths of "education."

 

[JenAltArmy]

Have you ever considered admitting yourself to a mental hospital?

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