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Frisco_Slug_Esq said:
It creates a wealth, a boredom, and the pursuits of enforced happiness at the hands of idle busybodies who can find no end to the litanies of evil and oppression which are easily observed and identified under Capitalism by the aforesaid "educated" sons and daughters of wealth who rapidly become to good to do actual work and come to disdain the wealth-creation process so they become social crusaders hell-bent on bending Capitalism to a new world order which will bring about social justice, fairness, and a new Garden of Eden with the myopic destruction of the actual means to create wealth replacing it instead with gossamer dreams of a better way hatched in the ivory towers of their educated boredom.

It then generally ends up in Gulags and the Universities being emptied for hands to work the fields in a "Great Leap Forward..."

That is Capitalism's greatest short-coming, the ability to give our children idle hours in which to explore the deepest darkest deviant depths of "education."
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So, let me get this straight...

Education is the problem, and people should toil away and be thankful for the opportunity to be able to do that.

What about the people at the top? Should they also be forced to work, or only the lower classes?
 
JenAltArmy said:
well, people have to work. I know that this is something you are against. welfare should be free, and a career option for you and your family

after all, you are owed that right?
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Jenin, we know you love welfare. It's a sickness. We hope you get off of it soon.
 
obama care is a bad thing! you are taking away more money from some, so that others can pay less


THINK ABOUT THAT?!?!?!?!




richard_daily said:
The first two are no longer valid. So off the cuff, your only criticism is his choice of advisors?
That's a pretty weak argument for a guy who posts anti-obama things nearly every day.

Try to come up with something a little more coherent or relevant... Or, if you'd prefer, you can just come out and admit that you don't like black people... You wouldn't be the only one.






What are my problems? That I realize that Obama is actually an american, and that he's not "less" american because he's black?

Explain it to me. I have no problem with criticizing Obama. I don't like the guy, didn't vote for him, and really, the only thing that makes me like him, is the fact that the extreme right spends all day and all night trying to vilify him.






Why do you need to see his high school records? Did they ask that of Bush? Reagan? Ford? Nixon? Hell, not even Carter or Clinton were put through the ringer the way that Obama has been. And why the focus on what he does in his freetime?

3 billion in deficits? Where were these people during W? WHere were these people during Reagan?

Stop moving the goalposts.

"Obamacare"? So do you think that it's a BAD thing that people will spend less money on healthcare, and that that money can be spent to pay down the deficit?

Your ilk needs to stop with the coded language, just say what you mean.
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WTF? the educated want to bend capitalism into a new world order, what like WWE? will Hulk Hogan be the new leader?



Frisco_Slug_Esq said:
It creates a wealth, a boredom, and the pursuits of enforced happiness at the hands of idle busybodies who can find no end to the litanies of evil and oppression which are easily observed and identified under Capitalism by the aforesaid "educated" sons and daughters of wealth who rapidly become to good to do actual work and come to disdain the wealth-creation process so they become social crusaders hell-bent on bending Capitalism to a new world order which will bring about social justice, fairness, and a new Garden of Eden with the myopic destruction of the actual means to create wealth replacing it instead with gossamer dreams of a better way hatched in the ivory towers of their educated boredom.

It then generally ends up in Gulags and the Universities being emptied for hands to work the fields in a "Great Leap Forward..."

That is Capitalism's greatest short-coming, the ability to give our children idle hours in which to explore the deepest darkest deviant depths of "education."
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Frisco_Slug_Esq said:
No it's not. It's a definition of the limits of state action.

Now, show me the interventions I approve of. You know, the "doing good" of unlimited government. You know, SOCIALISM.

;) ;)

Defense from external and internal enemies. A fair (blind - advocacy - innocent until proven guilty) judicial system and laws the address actual harms, not potential harms. Those are the limits of central government. Once you begin to use government to advance agendas, then you have a creeping Socialism and you sir, have one big agenda, the environment and as such, are identified as a willing tool by the agents of Socialism. (And please note, if you follow the antics of the self-proclaimed "anarchists" in Europe, they are fighting on behalf of government largess, much as the anti-establishment 60's crowd does today. They would truly be dismayed to find you labeling me as one of them. On the other hand, the Socialists are delighted to see you labeled as one of them...).
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Remember: once you organize people around something as commonly agreed upon as COMMIES ARE COMIN' FOR OUR GUNS!!!!!!, then an organized people is on the move.
Saul David Alinsky
Rules for Radicals
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"A definition of the limits of state action" is just another way of saying "I approve of any and all interventions that can be found within this set."

Once again, we're back to your desired government intervention in uteruses. And I'll ask you again, how many ppm of toxic chemicals are too many? Who decides?

I see as internal enemies anyone who would poison the populace or destroy the physical country in order to earn a profit. I cannot imagine why cotton farmers carpet bombing their fields with DDT and thus creating a strain of resistant mosquitoes which could potentially spread malaria to the populace is not enemy action. I'm guessing you don't think DDT should be banned, though. I see strip mining and mountaintop removal as enemy action as well in most cases, as currently practiced. Large pools of tailings containing cyanide compounds that leach into ground water. Destruction of species in order to have cheap paper. A gigantic island of plastic debris in the Pacific Ocean which will likely never be cleaned up.

The difference is that I see government intervention in these cases as a necessary evil, not a step toward centralized control of production and distribution. This is the reason I don't and never will vote for the Green Party.

You seem to rely on proven ineffective solutions for environmental issues. Spotted Owls in Wal-Mart signs. Lawsuits that drag on for decades and never actually accomplish the cleaning. Monetary compensation for people whose land is logged without permission. After the fact, reactionary intervention by the courts. That system has been shown time and time again that it doesn't work. You would do away with seatbelt laws at a cost of 60 000 lives per year; I'd rather have the laws and not have to pull all those people out of their windshields. You would do away with speed limits as well; a car going 130 mph is only a potential hazard after all. Drunk driving, same thing. We all have--or at least know someone who has--driven with more booze on board than we should have. Potential hazard. No law. Ownership of nuclear weapons. Potential hazard. No law.

I keep having to fix your Alinsky quote for you.
 
wait, I want to get your stance on DDT. are you saying that only "companies" would use DDT and that government never used it?



Peregrinator said:
"A definition of the limits of state action" is just another way of saying "I approve of any and all interventions that can be found within this set."

Once again, we're back to your desired government intervention in uteruses. And I'll ask you again, how many ppm of toxic chemicals are too many? Who decides?

I see as internal enemies anyone who would poison the populace or destroy the physical country in order to earn a profit. I cannot imagine why cotton farmers carpet bombing their fields with DDT and thus creating a strain of resistant mosquitoes which could potentially spread malaria to the populace is not enemy action. I'm guessing you don't think DDT should be banned, though. I see strip mining and mountaintop removal as enemy action as well in most cases, as currently practiced. Large pools of tailings containing cyanide compounds that leach into ground water. Destruction of species in order to have cheap paper. A gigantic island of plastic debris in the Pacific Ocean which will likely never be cleaned up.

The difference is that I see government intervention in these cases as a necessary evil, not a step toward centralized control of production and distribution. This is the reason I don't and never will vote for the Green Party.

You seem to rely on proven ineffective solutions for environmental issues. Spotted Owls in Wal-Mart signs. Lawsuits that drag on for decades and never actually accomplish the cleaning. Monetary compensation for people whose land is logged without permission. After the fact, reactionary intervention by the courts. That system has been shown time and time again that it doesn't work. You would do away with seatbelt laws at a cost of 60 000 lives per year; I'd rather have the laws and not have to pull all those people out of their windshields. You would do away with speed limits as well; a car going 130 mph is only a potential hazard after all. Drunk driving, same thing. We all have--or at least know someone who has--driven with more booze on board than we should have. Potential hazard. No law. Ownership of nuclear weapons. Potential hazard. No law.

I keep having to fix your Alinsky quote for you.
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speaking of Comedy GOLD, can you help explain the logic you used as to why others should pay more, so that you can have more?

because you and the others failed in a capitalism society, you now want socialism.

why is that? because you know you are a failure, or that you are just lazy? isn't this what it is all about, wealth redistribution? you are unable to succeed, therefore, must take from others?





IrezumiKiss said:
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Comedy gold,
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richard_daily said:
The first two are no longer valid. So off the cuff, your only criticism is his choice of advisors?
That's a pretty weak argument for a guy who posts anti-obama things nearly every day.

Try to come up with something a little more coherent or relevant... Or, if you'd prefer, you can just come out and admit that you don't like black people... You wouldn't be the only one.........
Let me see now... I was opposed to his jack shit 1 trillion boondoggle stimulus.

I oppose Obama Care.

His energy policy is nonexistent... The dumb fuck thinks we can run our cars with windmills attached to the roof.

He fucked up on the Gulf oil spill

The health care bill will not increase the deficit by one dime...says Obama

He filed suit against Sheriff Opiao and the state of Arizona for trying to protect their turf.

I could go on...........
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Yeah, but I bet he knows how to use the quote function properly. You stupid fuck.
 
vetteman said:
Yes, it's referred to in more informed circles as the "Wipe Your Ass On The Equal Protection Clause Logic."

:D
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And so far, the only point that the left wing nuts have raised is that capitalism is too hard, and they don’t know how to play the game.

Therefore we must punish those that are successful, steal from the, and give it to those unwilling to work hard
 
Luke_Atmydik said:
Yeah, but I bet he knows how to use the quote function properly. You stupid fuck.
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You know what Dopey? I'll bet you were the school yard bully.
Did you like pushing around little kids? Did you hate your Mother?

Now on lit, you're the court jester, you're a fool.
 
garbage can said:
You know what Dopey? I'll bet you were the school yard bully.
Did you like pushing around little kids? Did you hate your Mother?

Now on lit, you're the court jester, you're a fool.
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Were you the kid who allowed him and his friends to be bullied around because your parents raised you to not have respect for yourself and others? Were you raised in a Pacifist, Commie, Socialist household?

I can see why you are rebelling so much in your adult life - becoming an ignorant, racist dumbfuck. It must have been hard have been raised by hippies, let it go.
 
garbage can said:
You know what Dopey? I'll bet you were the school yard bully.
Did you like pushing around little kids? Did you hate your Mother?

Now on lit, you're the court jester, you're a fool.
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I kinda resent the implication that schoolyard bullies become court jesters. Bullies are usually too stupid to become jesters. The role of the court jester was essential; he was allowed to say things no one else could. This was important in times of absolute monarchies, when telling the king he had no clothes carried the death penalty.
 
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